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  1. #31
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    Good Qtn =D

    The way I am going about it is just to try to mimic the idea of a max effort bench or squat/dl (where a lockout is possible) by setting a predetermined ROM such as having biceps perpendicular to forearms. If I get that far with a given weight I count it. I keep adding weight until I miss and can't get the right ROM. Making sure to strain like hell as required. Still following the typical westside strategy of 2-4 max effort lifts in the 90 percent range.

    I really want to increase limit strength in weighted pullups/chins. So I am giving that a max effort day all by itself for the time being.

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    October 10, 2004

    CGBP
    180x5
    180x2x6

    Left at least one rep in the tank on each of these as my shoulder was cramping slightly.

    HS Dips
    285x9 (failed on 10)
    285x8
    285x7

    250 didn't feel heavy enough last week, so I bumped the weight back up to my previous high while on cycle in August. Haven't lost or gained any strength in this movement.

    Skull Crushers
    70x2x10

    Pulldown Abs
    95x20
    95x15
    95x15
    95x11
    +1 set Rainbows

    I got more reps here. Just pushed it a little harder than last time and took an extra 30 seconds or so between sets.

    DB Bench
    70'sx9,9,8

    Curls
    55'sx8, sloppy as all hell but no weaker

    Notes

    I was able to test strength capacity in this workout to see where I compared to ending my last cycle. Virtually the same on all lifts. So pct was a complete success in that regard. I didn't however gain limit strength, just endurance strength and useful training experience (intangibles, I basically have a program that is working for me now whether I am on or off androgens). My conclusion is that the super high volume for the first four weeks was a less than optimal way to train if I wanted to get stronger in pct. Just didn't really happen. But given that it takes much less to maintain strength/muscle than it does to build it in the first place, I thus didn't lose anything off my best effort. Other things were done correctl and standardly(nolva, super high protein and high calories, decent rest). Given that I am now actually periodizing my routine to a large extent, I expect not to stall out toward the end of my next cycle and possibly to get slightly better strength accretion while on this time around. My cycle is planned out I just have to enter it into the database over at Anabolic Minds for critique. I may frontload a little 4AD transdermal as I am getting a bit antsy begin the bulk officially.

    Did a ton of reading last night and this morning about DC dieting and training protocols. I have to say for those that haven't read cycles on pennies, I suggest giving it a look over. DC's ideas are very original imo and he has quite the record of success. Less bullshit and more muscle seems to be tone I get from reading it all. Good chance I will start to apply some of his dieting ideas like very high protien intake now so long as my body can tolerate it and I avoid hypoglycemia which is dangerous for me. Bring on the meat!

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    October 12, 2004

    Box Squats (wide stance, 11" box, below || )
    175x3x8 (+10 lb, -1 rep)

    SLDL (down to lower shin)
    225x10
    275x3x6

    Shrugs (poor ROM this time after deadlifts)
    375x4
    315x2x8

    HS High Rows
    200x12
    200x11
    200x10

    Curls
    55x7

    Notes

    Stronger.

    I am officially going back to bulking today. Bromo experiment is over. Next androgen cycle M1T/4AD to commence within the next day or so likely. All ancillaries needed onhand.

    Just the thought of bulking and eating a lot seems to have had a positive impact on strength levels. Let the fun begin.
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    October 14, 2004

    Bodyweight Taken While at gym: 200.5 lbs
    ME Incline
    115x8
    135x4
    155x3
    185x1
    205x1
    215x1
    225x0*
    *Stalled about 4 inches off chest
    Incline Bench
    175x3x5
    DB Overhead Press
    65x6
    60x10
    60x8
    DB Bench
    70x10
    70x2x9
    Flies
    45x2x9
    JM Presses
    135x9 (-1 rep)
    135x7 (-1 rep)
    Pulldown Abs
    95lbsx22
    95lbsx16
    Hip Flexors/Groin started hurting again, so I switched to crunches
    Crunches
    3 sets (2 w/25lb plate)

    Notes

    You'll have to excuse the pure bodybuilding movements. Westside journal or not, I am going to be doing some direct hypertrophy work given that I know I can add some appreciable muscle now. Mood was very good today and I felt stable under the weight. Squeezed out an extra rep on several movements and left a tad bit in the tank on incline and ab work. Definitely stronger today.

    Diet on target. Minimum 400g protein. All whole foods until my casein order arrives. For those interested, I took a fair amount of time and planned out a detailed bulking cycle that I will be concurrently logging at anabolicminds. The link follows. Brief summary? M1T(10mg/ED)/4AD(300mg/ED Trans). 4 week cycle planned + pct. Adjustments made as necessary.

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    October 15, 2004

    Bodyweight: 201.5(+1lb)
    Blood Pressure PW/O: 123/65

    Max Effort HS Pulldown
    250x3
    270x1
    300x1
    320x0 (couldn't finish w/right arm)
    290x2x3(failed on 3rd rep)
    Pullups/Neutral Chins
    201.5x2x6
    201.5x7
    201.5x6
    HS Pulldowns
    230x6
    210x9
    Curls
    50x8
    45x9
    Forearms
    8 sets
    COC Grippers
    3 sets, best effort 12 right hand, 10 left hand #1 gripper.

    Notes

    Got my order of calcium caseinate in from Trueprotein. Fast and efficient. Mike is faster however! Just ordered some 4AD two days ago and crap, it already on my doorstep this morning. Beat the protein order which was much earlier. Talk about speed.

    Maybe I just have a weird taster, but the casein tastes fine to me. Chalky when taken completely plain, but fine and not that much worse than milk isolate (which I really like the taste of).

    M1T is already proving a pleasant appetite suppressant again! I am sitting here at 8pm with no cravings. Pure bliss. I ran out of Nicotine today and am going to hold off on buying more for the time being. Save a little dough.

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    October 16, 2004

    Bodyweight: 205(+3.5lbs)
    Blood Pressure P W/O: 129/70

    ME Box Squat
    135x5
    185x1
    215x1
    235x1
    245x1 (bad form, had to use plates as a box)
    Squats
    205x9
    205x9
    205x8
    205x7
    205x6
    GoodMornings
    175x2x5
    Back Extensions
    45x8
    35x11
    35x9
    35x10
    Calf Work
    To be done tonight

    Notes

    The back extensions rocked. I focused on using hams/glutes some on the movement as well and it worked. ME boxsquat was fubar however. Someone made off with the low plyobox I used last week. I figured I would just pile up 45's to the right height. Ended up being a little low making it tougher than planned. When I sat on it, I realized the plates definitely weren't smooth. Managed to get up with 245 on my back, but it was ugly and I didn't go for another set. Turned beat red, form completely broke down.

    I then wisely switched to back squatting which felt great. I was going to try out pullthroughs on the lat machine, but given my luck on the day decided against it. Something about standing with hands between legs doing hip thrusting movements wouldn't have been so appealing to onlookers methinks.

    In contrast to yesterday, appetite went through the roof today. 4AD kicking in full force. I definitely overate on calories somewhat. Gonna switch around some foods to create a slightly more bland diet. First substitution is easy, plain casein in place of chicken. Easy enough as I have already eat all the chicken I cooked for week

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    Day 4
    October 17, 2004


    Bodyweight: 211 (+6 lbs)
    Blood Pressure P W/O: 125/67*

    HS Dips
    290x3x8(felt solid)
    CGBP
    180x5
    JM Press
    135x2x10
    135x9
    Laterals
    35x8(-2 off best)
    EZ Bar Triceps
    70x2x10(no change)
    DB Bench
    70x8
    70x2x9
    Pulldown Abs
    95x30 (+8 could have kept going)
    95x26 (easy, hip flexors gave out)
    Weighted Crunches
    25x2x18
    25x15
    25x14

    Notes

    Casein supplementation is working well today. Not only does it seem to provide superior long-term and short term appetite suppression, but also more consistent insulin levels. I had a few larger meals (600+ kcals) and didn't get hypoglycemic from the protein like I would have eating regular meat for example.

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    Why do you check your blood pressure? Do you have blood pressure problems? And that "P" before w/o, does that mean pre workout or post workout?
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    I don't have blood pressure problems at all thankfully. I am checking it post-workout. I figure if it is elevated, that will be the best time to notice it. I am recording it for the time being to see if the 10mg M1T/ED elevates it. I started on hawthorn about 7 days before my cycle at about 1.5g/day. I want to provide feedback on the androgens I am taking with as much detail as possible and have a record of it. Since I am keeping a dual log, here and at anabolicminds, I cut and paste workouts to keep from double typing. Hence why I am including daily bodyweight and bp measures.

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    Bloodwork

    For those interested, according to most recent lipid profile and metabolic panel taken October 7, 2004, here is my current state of health. Liver still functioning =D

    Values in green represent range of normalcy. Ast and Alt both slightly elevated. My results highlighted in blue. Rather happy with the HDL, LDL, VLDL and Triglyceride numbers (unless I am misinterpreting)

    A/G Ratio 1.4 1.1-2.5
    Albumin, Serum 4.2 3.5-5.5 g/dL
    Alkaline Phosphatase, Serum 78 25-150 IU/L

    ALT (SGPT) 43 0-40 IU/L
    AST (SGOT) 52 0-40 IU/L

    Bilirubin, Total 0.5 0.1-1.2 mg/dL
    BUN 30 5-26 mg/dL
    BUN/Creatinine Ratio 19 8-27

    Calcium, Serum 9.6 8.5-10.6 mg/dL
    Chloride, Serum 105 96-109 mmol/L

    Cholesterol, Total 95 100-199 mg/dL
    Creatinine, Serum1.6 0.5-1.5 mg/dL
    Estimated CHD Risk < 0.5 0.0-1.0 times avg.
    GGT 12 0-65 IU/L
    Globulin, Total 3.0 1.5-4.5 g/dL
    Glucose, Serum 75 65-99 mg/dL

    HDL Cholesterol 52 40-59 mg/dL
    Iron, Serum 141 40-155 ug/dL
    LDH 191 100-250 IU/L

    LDL Cholesterol Calc 37 0-99 mg/dL

    Phosphorus, Serum 3.4 2.5-4.5 mg/dL
    Potassium, Serum 5.1 3.5-5.5 mmol/L
    Protein, Total, Serum 7.2 6.0-8.5 g/dL
    Sodium, Serum 136 135-148 mmol/L

    T. Chol/HDL Ratio 1.8 0.0-5.0 ratio units
    Triglycerides 31 0-149 mg/dL

    Uric Acid, Serum 4.0 2.4-8.2 mg/dL
    VLDL Cholesterol Cal 6 5-40 mg/dL

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    Day 6
    October 19, 2004


    Bodyweight: 212(+1 lb)
    BP: 117/56

    SLDL (mid-shin) 5x5
    225x5
    275x5
    305x5
    325x5
    340x5
    Timed Holds
    315x2 sets
    High Rows
    220x3x6
    Curls
    55x7 (-1 off best)
    GM's
    175x2x5
    DB Rows
    110'sx7(4 off best)
    Forearms
    45x2sets(22left/19right)
    40x2x13(+1rep)
    Calves
    295x12
    295x13
    #1 COC Grippers
    Best effort 18 right hand, 14 lefthand, gain of 6 reps right

    Notes

    *Strength gains kicked in yesterday, day 5 of cycle. Got 6 more reps than expected with the grippers. Today, the deads felt light.

    *Had to make an adjustment to training. Couldn't train box squats or any type of quad workout today due to excess joint pain. It is a new pain on the front of both knee caps. Unfortunately I think it is due to box squatting. Usually my left knee never gives me shit. New plan is to revert back to regular squatting until I resolve form issue with knees.

    *Put in another order from TP for calcium caseinate. I am experimenting with slightly higher protein dosages/meal and so far using casein I haven't had a hypoglycemic reaction. I have noticed a very slight increase in drowsiness a time or two but nothing major like I used to get with whey.

    *Mirror showing bloated pig with 39" waist. I love bulking. Gotta get back to eating...

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    Haven't updated this in awhile. Tough keeping 2 journals at once. My cycle is going well. Hit 221 lbs up from 200 at start ten days ago. At least half of it if not more is water and bloat. Strength gains have kicked in nicely from the M1T as have all the wonderful side effects. Hit 245x5 on squats today. 10 lb PR.

    I have had to modify my training considerably in response to the androgens. I am sticking to the same 5 day schedule but have had to alter quite a few variables and it is morphing into something distinctly different from westside. Still haven't added DE work and am planning to hold off on that probably for the duration of my cycle.

    I have been overeating quite a bit. Probably hitting 4500-5000 kcals/day. Fat intake has been quite low as planned. Protein minimum 500grams/day, rest oatmeal at 60kcals/cup. Still able to overeat handily even with the modest appetite suppression from M1T. Largest waist measure to date is 39.25 inches. All the bloat can really wreak some havok psychologically not knowing how much is water and how much is fat tissue.

    Sometimes the best way to find out just what something like M1T can do on a bulker is to push the limits somewhat and see firsthand. For all the side effects that come with it, it makes little sense to me to get less than maximal muscle tissue when I know what steps need to be taken to drive bodyweight up. I have never had a problem gaining weight and this cycle is no exception. Hoping for good partitioning this time around.

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