BulkMeUp

The 'Me' and Great Bod' are entirely upto you. If you do get a great bod, the flinging will happen on its own.

BulkMeUp

Yep, i was talking about the traditional christmas fruit cake.

if you dont take a break, it will catch up with you later. You will began to feel demotivated and tired all the time. So plan for it and take a break.

BulkMeUp

In that case (as i have said several times) with less than 10%bf you dont need to do any sort of cut. Cutting will only make those 'rolls' worse. And if you want to eat less, stop the cardio activity (which i have been saying since the beginning). If you say you are in control of what you are doing as you say, then you shouldnt say 'i cant do that' at the same time. It dosent make sense to say you are in control and that you know what you are doing and at the same time to say 'i cant do that, i just cant'. Because that shows you are NOT in control.

Can you take those pics again, but standing up straight(legs and back) this time?

Once again, You dont need a cut, it is pointliess at this stage. Want to eat less? balance your activity and cals more appropriately. OR take a break and for a couple of weeks with no exercise whatsoever and have a maintanence diet.

Teenagers are normally supposed to be skinny, mostly. The difference is that you have made yourself skinny, conciously. Now, going away from being 160 with a high bf is a good thing, but striving to be too thin is equally unhealthy. Yes it was a good thing that you went on a bulk. And i hope that you do go back on it soon without much loss of your recent gains.

No one expects you to look like a competition size bodybuilder. Besides that takes years to happen. No one says 'get 17" arms and 50" chest and 30" quads!'. And i understand you dont want to either. All we are saying is strive to get to a decent healthy looking size. Dont look at the skinny guys and say 'if they are so skinny it is ok for me to be like that'. Look at the bigger guys and strive to look closer to them. It may or may not happen, but you need to give it a try.

Eventually, i can only tell you my opinion. But if you really want to do this mini cut. It is upto you. Though i dont see the point and have stated my reasons above.
You have stated your reason (not wanting to eat so much) and my suggestion (as always) was to reduce activity to balance you cals and activity.

While you will put on some weight every week on your present bulk, remember those are newbie gains. It will slow down after a while.

Tom_B

Well if things go well I'm thinking about visting Jaim during March Break so that would be my week off that would be fun as hell!

Tom_B

I have stoped all cardio , I've even stoped going out for walks to the mall with my friends..
What I meant by the whole control thing is, is that I'm in control over my food, and exercise etc. BUT I can't control how much my body can handle, I can only eat so much food without , my body just can't handle eating that much food


yup sure


I can't go for a couple of weeks without exercise your crazy!
I want to get my bodyfat% just a little lower, that way I'll be able to see how my body is shaping more during a bulk..if that makes sense .
As for eating less, I ate 2400 calories and was still stuffed the entire day, I thought around 2000-2300 calories would keep me full (not stuffed, bloated ) , if for one day I just ate when I was actually hungry and what I ate, my caloreis would probably be somewhere between 1500-1800 . So basically maintenace would still = cut, I'm pretty sure I'd lose weight eating 1500-1800 calories.

Whats the difference between being naturally skinny, and forced skinny? Your still that same gender, your stillt hat same hieght so wouldn't you still have the same health problems? Besides that dosen't really matter, I know the reason why I became so fat, I would eat like 2 meals a day (usually chips, poutine, cheesburgers, fries etc.) and I would sleep all day..literally, I come home from school go to sleep, wake up around 8ish have supper watch tv and do homework then around 11ish I'd go back to sleep. Thats why I got so fat.
As for losing my recent gains I don't think that'll happen, maybe a little but doubtful. If it does then I'll stop , or I'll change around my diet and exercise cause obviously something would be wrong there..


I know what you guys mean, about what size I should be (like the guys you showed me) , but there still too big for me! I don't want to look like that.. I want to still stay relitvely "skinny" just not as skinny as I was cause I know that wasn't healthy, and I wouldn't go back to that.

I know and I have changed around my activity, but still..at the end of the day 3 sessions of cardio is not going to equal 7000 calories, I want to reduce caloreis by 1000 for me to stay "full" but not stuffed if you know what I mean.

I know but I've gained roughly around the amount of muscle I want, maybe another 3-4 pounds but I'll do that later

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jaim91

reducing cals by 1000 is a lot...a hell of a hot. the different between being naturally skinny and forced skinny...your body knows the different. I used to be forced skinny, and my body shut down - kidnets, hormones, the works...you name it. But now, I feed it adequately, and am at the naturally skinny phase, and my stuff started working again.

Tom_B

I know droping calories by 1000 is alot, so you know how much extra I'm eating.

I know that forcing yourself to be skinny that way will cause your body harm, but what I meant be forced skinny, is by counting your calories at maintenance everyday, exercising, not eating junk etc.

Tom_B

Training - Rest day

Diet
*5 40 second Stomach vacuums*
Meal 1 - Fiber 1, skim milk, pear, whey
Meal 2 -whey, brown rice
Meal 3 - carb coutning tortilla wrap, chicken, lettuce, brown rice
Meal 4 - egg whites, almonds, canoil oil
Meal 5 - bean medley, lettuce, tuna, vinegar, lemon juice, almonds
meal 6 - cottage cheese, fibre 1, almonds, unsweetned PB

Sorry I didn't post this this morning but the power was out .
I was so pissed, it screwed up my day, had no music to keep me distracted while doing my leg workout this morning, had to eat a solid post workout meal..anyways I'll explain all that in my post tomorrow morning.

Yesterday was interesting it started snowing and me and Diane went around selling Fliers to raise money for the band trip to new York (She's in band, I'm not) we were completly soaked! I was so cold...we went out for an hour and sold one flier , we spent allt he time walkign to the store, then walking to see if her uncle and aunt were home to buy one (she refused to go house to house, she's only selling them to people she knows ) so that was fun. Then we went back to my place and she went crazy she found some tape and started taping everything in sight, started spraying me with hair spray, throwing shit, ahh it was fun , but then my mom came in and told us to settle down . Then I worked all day and came home and tried makng up my crb cycling diet for next week (which didn't go well Jodi said some stuff were wrong so I'm waiting for her reply before attempting to remake it) So that was my day yesterday....now I'm gonna go play so Pictionary, I'm hooked on the game now I get hooke don things too easily.

jaim91

That's the same thing as anorexics do... I don't understand what you're proving?

Tom_B

No...you still don't understand me.
anorexics don't eat any calories and exercise non stop, I mean someone you counts there calories and eat whatever there maintenace is (like 2300-2500 calories) and exercises normally

Tom_B

Training- Leg day
5 minutes of slow cardio on my eliptical trainer as a warm-up
Squats - *95lbs* 4x10
Lunges - *85lbs* 2x18, 2x16 (alternating legs)
SLDL- *95lbs* 2x10 , 2x8
Leg extension *45lbs (as much as I can get on my bench..)* 4x15
Lying Leg Curl *50lbs (as much as I can get on my bench..)* 4x15
Calf raises - *85lbs* 4x8

*The reason I can fit 5 lbs more on my bench for the lying leg curls is because if I use the 25lbs plates for the leg extensions my I can't really do proper form since the weights are larger*


Diet -
5 40 second Stomach Vacuums
Meal 1 - Whey, pear, skim milk, thin rolled oats
*Weights*
Post workout - banana, brown rice, whey, skim milk
Meal 2 - carb counting tortilla wrap, chicken , romain lettuce
Meal 3 - lettuce, tuna, almonds, vinegar, lemon juice
Meal 4 - tuna, brown rice
Meal 5- cottage cheese, almonds, fiber 1, unsweetned PB



Weights were crappy yesterday, no the actuall workout, that was great, but the fact I had to do them in a barley lighted room with no tv or music crappy power going out . And because of that I couldn't blend up my Post workout shake so thats why it's a little different than usual, had to eat cold brown rice
So I played Twister and pictionary all day with my sisters and their friend and with my friend too, then power came on just as I had to leave for work which made me madder.
Now I gtg cause I'm runnin glate this morning and I still ahve to do my Pilates while feeling like I have to barf, I've been getting this really nauseaeting feeling in my stomach for the last couple of weeks, think it's from my hemroid, thank god the appointment is Fri. and so help me god they better actually take it out this time and not just fuking poke it so embarrsing.

jaim91

But you're dropping your cals from 2800 to 1800...that's not a lot at all for a guy..i'd say it's forced skinny

Tom_B

actually I'm droping calories to 2000-2300 , I was eating 3000-3300 calories , currently I'm eating 2600 calories. I'm getting ready to start my carb cycle next week. it depends, I'm thinking about maybe doing only one 30 minute session of cardio (15minutes of HIIT , 5-10 minute medium past the end it with some more HIIT) a week, and switching my weight routine around to working one muscle group per day, all depends if I go out tomorrow with my mom and get a gym memembership which I'm excited about, hopefully she actually goes through wsith it and get one for me

Tom_B

Well I didn't go to school today because it's officall I sick
So I might as well post my diet and stuff for today so I don't have to do it tomorrow morning.

Tom_B

Training - pilates Day/Stomach vacuums

Diet
*5 40 second Stomach vacuums*
Meal 1 - Whey, skim milk, thin rolled oats, pear
*pilates followed by 5 one minute stomach vaccums*
*post workout* whey, skim milk, thin rolled oats, banana
Meal 2 -whey, rolled oats, crstal light powder
Meal 3 - carb coutning tortilla wrap, chicken, lettuce, brown rice
Meal 4 - egg whites, almonds, canoil oil, fiber 1
Meal 5 - romain lettuce, tuna, vinegar, lemon juice, almonds
meal 6 - cottage cheese, fibre 1, almond butter

Well Today I don't really go anything planed out....gotta go grocery shopping, gotta get my hair cut which is gonna be weird becuase if my heairdresser can't cut it today I have to go somewhere else ot get it cut, because it's really long and I don't know wha tot do with it. I also got a zit around my nose and I'm stuck wearing pyjama pants....so thank god I didn't ahve to go to school today, I would have look like a dirtbag
I also plan on looking into some weight routines incase my mom actual goes through with what she said and gets us some Gym Memberships tomorrow she better!
Also plan on doing some homework today, but I say that everyday and never actually do it.

BulkMeUp

Well if you do, i hope she can manage to shove a pizza or at least some fries down your throat!

BulkMeUp

This is what i am afraid of. You take things to extremes. No need to cut out hanging out at the mall with friends. You need some funtime.

You are eating that much food because, as i keep saying, you are spending those cals away on cardio/pialates/skipping..etc. Hopefully now that you have reduced, you wont have to eat as much to bulk. Overeating on clean food is NOT very easy, as you probably guessed by now.

Just as i thought. Your midsection looks fine. it looks like a 15yr olds midsections should!

You cant?? 'cant' implies not in control. And above you said 'I'm in control over my food, and exercise etc' So if you are in control, what is the problem? (no lame excuses,please)
You cannot say i am in control and then say 'i cant'. That is contradictory. Diet and exercise are part of your life and not your 'life'. you must control them. But i see you making them your life and they are controlling YOU. I hope you understand what i am trying to say. Now if you are going to deny that, then stop saying 'i cant'.

As i said, with under 10% bf and if you are not planning to compete soon, i dont see a reason for a cut. But, oh well, as you are instant on doing it, try it. It is your first cut. But dont go to the extreme. I know you are going to say you wont and that you are in control. But i think even though you can control it, you dont know where and when to stop. You went from 160 with a high bf to super skinny. If you knew where to stop, you would have stopped at a healthier looking point. And you didnt. Hope this time you wont make the same mistake again.

No it dosent. Understand the word. 'Maintatnence' means maintaining your present body. If you reduce, it ceases to be a maintainence. It then becoms weightloss or a cut. Do you understand the difference between the two? as there is a difference.
If you loose weight on a maint, you are using more cals than you are eating. Besides, a few weeks off will NOT have a huge impact on muscle loss, unless a person is bedridden or ill.

It DOES matter. naturally skinny is the way a persons body is. The body is existing peacefully. That state is the present equlibrium for that persons lifestyle. Forced skinny, the body is forced to be alive and survive on limited cals/nutrients. It cant do that for long and sooner or later problems will arise. physical and/or mental.
And yes, you are still the same gender. Your sex dosent change when you loose weight. You will still have your ..err .. bicep to play with. It wont fall off

Poutine... mmmmm.. now i'm hungry
It is a good thing you realised that kind of food being eaten regularly was not a good idea. But i am sure that you have also seen guys that eat a ton of junk and are still skinny. Dont forget they are probably active (sports..etc). Besides genetics plays a role. However it wil catch up with them at a later stage if they continue eating that way. So it is a good thing you realised it now and changed to good eating habits. It will pay back many times in the long run. But dont stress yourself over it.

Thats good. dont slide back to the way you were. We would like to see you look good. When people look at you they should be immediately identify that you are someone who works out. It dosent mean you have to get huge. Just look a bit healthy muscular. Trust me. It is quite difficult to get there. You have been bulking for a couple of months only and you are experiencing newbiw gains.

OK, let me find some pics and YOU tell us what you want to look like.



Enough with the number crunching, Einstein!
Remember KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid!

Thats not a real significalt amount. But oh well, it is a start.

jaim91

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You are eating that much food because, as i keep saying, you are spending those cals away on cardio/pialates/skipping..etc. Hopefully now that you have reduced, you wont have to eat as much to bulk. Overeating on clean food is NOT very easy, as you probably guessed by now.

Good point...this makes sense. I think when you were bulking, you should have cut down on the exercise so that you didn't have to eat as much. If you didn't expend so many cals with the exercise, you could have eaten less.

You cant?? 'cant' implies not in control. And above you said 'I'm in control over my food, and exercise etc' So if you are in control, what is the problem? (no lame excuses,please)
You cannot say i am in control and then say 'i cant'. That is contradictory. Diet and exercise are part of your life and not your 'life'. you must control them. But i see you making them your life and they are controlling YOU. I hope you understand what i am trying to say. Now if you are going to deny that, then stop saying 'i cant'.

This is another good point. If you're in control, you can stop and start something at any time. If you're serious about the bulk, you could have willed yourself to stop exercising because you know the goal you had in mind would have been easier to reach if you didn't exercise.

Tom_B

she's gonna have to try hard to sneak it in while I'm scarfing down cake and ice cream

Tom_B

ok ok, I admit that I'm wrong etc..
Yes exercise is in control of my life, I'll admit I'm an excercise addict but it's not like any of you guys aren't either, I know some of you are out there that live to excersice I'm looking at you Emma-Leigh
I count out all my cardio so I wouldn't have to eat as much but it was still alot, but that's all in the past and after my cut I'll re-work that crap.
As for the whole forced skinny/natural skinny...you guys think I mean anorexic forced skinny. I'll say it again I meant by forced skinny as being someone who eat matience calories (which would give them enough energy/nutrients that there body need) excersice regulary for health, and not eat junk food, cause we all know a calorie is not created equal if that was the case we'd all be eating candy.
sorry BulkMeUp I don't have time to reply to everything, really busy but I got the main points outta the way, and if I missed something just bring it up.

P.S. sorry for my lack of posting but like I said I've been really busy latley and all my free time is being taken up by homework and Halo 2 god thats a good game anyways..I gtg after I post on my journal and draw a "comfortable" cahir for art class....thats gonna be so hard only a month and a half of art class...only a month and a half..

P.S.S. Jaim I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your PMs but I will get a chance soon enough! sorry , just wanted to let you know I haven't forgot about ya

Tom_B

Training - Chest/Tricep/Ab Day

Bench Press *65lbs* 1x14 *70lbs* 3x8
Incline DB Flies * 10lbs* 1x20 *15lbs* 3x12
Dips *Bodyweight* 1x14 *5lbs* 3x12
2 hand tricep extensions - *15lbs* 1x14 *20lbs* 3x12
Plate Twist *20lbs* 2x30
Weighted Jackknife sit-up *15lbs* 2x30
WEighted Crunch *35lbs* 2x30

Diet
Meal 1 - whey, skim milk, pear, thin rolled oats
*workout*
Post workout - banana, whey, skim milk, thin rolled oats
meal 2 - whey, rolled oats
Meal 3 - tuna, almonds
meal 4 - fiber 1, egg whites
Meal 5 - carb counting tortilla wrap , romain lettuce,chicken, fiber 1
meal 6 - fiber 1, cottage cheese, almond butter

I've had a really really really bad day. I'm jsut gonnat ry to explain really fast casue I gotta get going and do my homework. Okay yesterday I got a hair cut, and she cut it really really short so it looks bad . I also got this pimple yesterday right beside my nose..so before goning to bed I prayed to god that there would be no wind in the morning to mess up my hair any further and that my pimple would be gone....well what happens? I wake up late and ended up doing that workout extremly fast, I had to stop for a little bit once I got to the abs cause I was gonna throw up. So ran upstairs drnak my shake , almost threw up again, gulp down my water and took a shower...well my pimple ended up turning brown I have no idea....
So Iw as mad at that, so I'm runnin garound and I get my hair alrightish..I'm kinda happy with it...and guess what it's like out side...windy as fuck! oo I was pissed..so I went downstairs to get some gum and I couldn't find it, and I set it out so I could take it to school..so I ended up taking some money to school to buy some more gum, so I obught the gum after getting ot school with fucking messed up hair and I took a piece of the gum and wen tot put it in my book bag and guess what I found..the gum I lost in the morning. So I wasted some money.
Then I had a presentation in frnech calss I didn't know about that we had to do in fornt of the class ( she usually takes us into a seperate room and listens to us) so I hyperventialed and she said I could do it in my seat . Anyways so then I go to lunch and start eating my salad then my firend goes..umm stick out your tongue, so I did and it was green... and so were my teeth, I have no idea how but the salad turned my mouth green...okay my times running out, so I