Thread: Tom's first journal

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

Tom, after you gain some size from where you are now (up to 150 odd when you are at 129ish) you are going to gain some meat on your waist - so you will not be able to maintain a 26 inch waist. You will certainly not be able to cut back to a 24 inch waist!! It is just not realistic, no matter what BF% you are, if you are at a healthy weight range, for a guy of your height, you will not have a 24 inch waist.

Well my plans are to only go to 140 lbs, I'm almost 16 (in about 2 months) so I'm still gonna have a growth sprut so I won't really be able to bulk untill after that (or at least I hope I get a growth sprut )
well for the last 9 pounds I've gained my waist has gone up .3 inches so I figured my waist will be around 27 inches by the time my bulk ends, then I'll go on my cut untill I look fine in the mirrior, I won't aim for a 24 inch waist anymore lol.

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

4%?? Year round?? Never going to happen my boy!! That is what you call 'setting yourself up for metabolic/endocrinological turmoil!! Binge activity, low libido, illness etc etc... Just go read about your bodies natural 'set-point' and the low leptin and chronic stress related to this type of routine and you will see it is not healthy.8% is somewhat healthier... But I am not sure how realistic it could be year round.

I got my body fat % done today (she measured the back of my tricep and my back was that right) and she said I was at 8% boday fat so I've been maintaining a low bodyfat% year round and my bodies not getting any negative side affects (maybe my metabolism if that's a possiblity) so I don't know what bodyfat % to aim for after my bulk, well I guess that all depends on what it is after my bulk

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

Loose skin does not equal fat. It means you have loose skin! They are different things.

I'd rather have fat than loose skin, at least I know that I could loose the fat, as for the loose skin, I need like surgery (hopefully not, since I'm 15 overtime it'll fix itself) and loose skin looks like fat!, or at least it does on me

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

You REALLY REALLY need to address your body image issues Tom. Please. Don't get caught in the never ending cycle of self-hate/self-deprivation. It is not worth it - your life is more than the numbers on the scale or the numbers on the tape measure!

I don't feel like I'm depriving myself of anything, I'm living life the way I want too (well some aspects, others are altered by people, like me being gay) and that happens to have numbers in it, but I'm getting better and not too concerned about them (I am at times but I tell the voices to shut- up ) .

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

What is important is your HEALTH and FITNESS. To be buff (not 'big') is what you want. Lean and built.... Strong... Robust... You want to be safe in the knowledge that you are doing what is best for your body, and that you are capable of looking after yourself. These are the goals you should have your eyes on - they are the prize at the end of it all.

Yup those are my goals , I want to be as lean as possible with some good old fashioned muscle, but then againt that's everyone's goals

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

Great! My gay-dar wasn't reading 'funny' then! I suspected this was the case. It is great to see you being open about it, especially in your own journal - if you can not be honest here, then there are few places that you can be! Plus, as I said before - who cares what other people think? Be true to yourself and don't let other people get in your way!

lol great I'm officaly on peoples gaydar , and I thought I played being a straight man so well , whew anyways at least you and BulkMeUp don't have a problem with it *releved*

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

Now mister - I expect to see some quality muscle building results in the near future and no more talk of rediculously sickly body-measurement goal! We have to get you looking presentable so you can go out in a t-shirt!

The day I wear a t - shirt in public with be pretty damn funny people are gonna be I can't wait!

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Hhmmmm... you dont want a girl touching you nor the flamer... well i guess that just leaves the neighbours cat to do your bf check!

lol personally I don't want anyone or anything touching me! although I wouldn't mind the neighbors cat

O well all she did was touch my back....my back...my worst part of my body cause I have love handles, I wish she just would have did my stomach instead o well

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Those sound more like competition numbers. So if you dont plan to compete anytime soon, dont make that your target. Just go by the mirror.

That's gonna be my plan, good old mirrior. I can live on those numbers though, I've beena t 8% now for a while I guess (or even less) which by the way congrats on your guesstimation if you remeber I asked what you thought my bodyfat % was from my pics and you guessed about 8%, you waere right on the money!

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

A while ago I did come accross a thread wherein it was suggested it is not really healthy to maintain a bf lower than 10%(for males) for an extended period of time. Normal % was suggested to be 14-18%, i think.

normals for normal people , and I'm far from that, so having a lilttle bit lower won't hurt me (if it does that's when I'd increase it)

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Everyone who is a bodybuilder is not really intrested in being competion size huge. I, for one, am not. You dont have to get there if you dont want to. Everyone has different goals. But a good physique is always a plus.

lol I could never get the huge ass muscles that guys have in competitons, I'd be one of the ones thats all veiny , when ever I'm lifting weights all my veins pop out

This is another issue to begin with, but I don't understand how a 15 year old kid already knows that he is a homosexual. Can you help me there tom.

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

You do realise that big muscles is 'gay thing' to gay guys as big boobs are to straight guys.
Besides most guys are just wannabe's and only dream of getting big and buffed. Very few,like you, have the will and determination to see it through.
So all the more reason to and and soon wearing only a t-shirt will be enough to turn heads.

of course big muscles are the "gay thing" the guy's I like gotta be reasonalbly buff (unlike the flamer, he's skinnier than me , I gotta be the skinny one!) but perferably guys like..Tom Welling
O well I doubt I'll have a "partner" soon if ever , first off I'm too shy to ever act on anything, and secondly if I ever did it would mean coming out and telling my family and the rest of my friends, which isn't gonna happen, I know they wouldn't care but still...
lol if I wore a t-shirt of course I'd turn heads, of utter shock no one would ever expect it!

I was the same way at one point, which is how I got into lifting weights to begin with, but man your nuts. two years?! Being that skinny, theres no way you can look that bad in a t-shirt, I mean come on.

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Again some great advice from emma, as usual.

Of course it's great advice, it's coming from Emma, she knows her shit

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Dont fuss about loose skin. At your age it will adjust itself in time. Just look toward filling up with muscles which will also get rid of it

Hopefully it'll go away soon, I'm currently using a skin firming lotion to speed up the process, it's kinda working..

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

My gardar went off a long time ago as well. Good to know it still works. No, dont beat yourself for being 'tansparent' and stuff like that now.

I guess I'm on everyone's gaydar these days :rolf:
of course I'm not gonna beat myself up, this is the internet now if it was in real life, I'd be freaking out

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Again i couldnt agree more. There isnt enough time in life to fuss and fret about what others think. Those that love you are the ones that matter, but you still have to lead your own life yourself. Noone else can do it for you. So let all the crap slide and focus on the good stuff.

I think no matter what there will always be a part of me that cares waht people thinka bout me, I wish it wasn't there but it is, which makes it that much harder for me to live life the way I want too

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

This is another issue to begin with, but I don't understand how a 15 year old kid already knows that he is a homosexual. Can you help me there tom.

no problem, I know I'm gay because I'm not attracted to women, and am attracted to men, everything you guys fantize about women I do the same expect with men, I watch Smallville not for it's "great" story line, but because Tom Wellings, gotta love eye candy
I could never see myself kissing a girl...well I can't really ever seeing myself kissing anyone I'm probably gonna graduate highschool green...god that's depressing..
So for all those reason and more I know I'm gay

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I was the same way at one point, which is how I got into lifting weights to begin with, but man your nuts. two years?! Being that skinny, theres no way you can look that bad in a t-shirt, I mean come on.

I have some serious body image issues, I think if I wear a t-shirt the wind will blow against my stomach and press ym shirt up against me, showing people how big I am, or if I sit down my fat/loose skin is gonna "curl" over and someones gonna notice...so I just wear sweaters to cover myself up...tht and because I'm always cold

Training - Chest/Tricep/Shoulder Day

Bench Press *60lbs* 1x14 *65lbs* 1x11 *70lbs* 1x10 *75lbs* 1x8
Incline DB Flies * 10lbs* 1x22 *15lbs* 3x8
Dips *Bodyweight* 4x8
2 hand tricep extensions - *15lbs* 1x14 *20lbs* 3x8
*Military Press *40lbs* 1x14, *45lbs* 3x8
Side raises *5lbs* 1x14 *10lbs* 1x2 (I know sad..) *5lbs* 3x14


Diet
Meal 1 - whey, skim milk, pear, thin rolled oats
*workout*
Post workout - banana, whey, skim milk, thin rolled oats
meal 2 - brown rice, tuna
Meal 3 - carb counting wrap, chicken, brown rice
meal 4 - fiber 1, egg whites, canoil oil, walnuts
Meal 5 - sweet potatoes, carb counting tortilla wrap, tuna, almond butter
meal 6 - fiber 1, cottage cheese, almond butter

Well today I woke up at 7am (usually have to get up at 5am to make it to school in time) so I decided to keep my routine, but just miss first period, so that went fine, but school was boring as hell!
Crap Crap I forgot I had art homework!, can't talk about my day even though it was interesting, i'll post maybe tomorrow morning, the red haired flamer tried killing himself, or as I like to call it a pathetic attempt at attention anyways tell ya guys later

Originally Posted by Tom_B

lol personally I don't want anyone or anything touching me! although I wouldn't mind the neighbors cat

Ok, so if we see the neighbours cat walking in a funny way, we know who to blame ..... ok ok... bad joke!

Originally Posted by Tom_B

O well all she did was touch my back....my back...my worst part of my body cause I have love handles, I wish she just would have did my stomach instead o well

I have had my bf checked using calipers in a hospital. The nurse checked my tri's and my back ('bra fat' she called it. Bitch! ), as well my quads. I remember asking her why she didnt check my stomach, she said they dont, but i cant remember the reason she told me why they dont do it.

Originally Posted by Tom_B

That's gonna be my plan, good old mirrior. I can live on those numbers though, I've beena t 8% now for a while I guess (or even less) which by the way congrats on your guesstimation if you remeber I asked what you thought my bodyfat % was from my pics and you guessed about 8%, you waere right on the money!

Yep. i remember that. At that point i was trawling Bodybuilding pics especially to see what different levels of bf make a person look like. I suggest when you have some time, that you do the same. Trawl sites like wannabebig.com and bodybuilding.com and look at the member pics section and their height/weight/bf info. This will help you in making better judgements with the mirror.

Originally Posted by Tom_B

lol I could never get the huge ass muscles that guys have in competitons, :

Most guys that big are not natural.

Originally Posted by Tom_B

I'd be one of the ones thats all veiny , when ever I'm lifting weights all my veins pop out

The veiny look comes with a very low bf. Some guys die for that look. Personally, i am not a fan of it.

Originally Posted by Tom_B

of course big muscles are the "gay thing" the guy's I like gotta be reasonalbly buff (unlike the flamer, he's skinnier than me , I gotta be the skinny one!) but perferably guys like..Tom Welling
O well I doubt I'll have a "partner" soon if ever , first off I'm too shy to ever act on anything, and secondly if I ever did it would mean coming out and telling my family and the rest of my friends, which isn't gonna happen, I know they wouldn't care but still...!

From my experience, generally likes attract each other. e.g. geeks stick with each other. jocks stick with each other...etc. So if you plan on attracting something with muscles, your chances will be better if you have some yourself. So as i keep saying, and !!!

Originally Posted by Tom_B

:lol if I wore a t-shirt of course I'd turn heads, of utter shock no one would ever expect it!

Come on!! i dont think you would look that bad. I have seen skinnier dudes wearing t-shirts and even tank tops! Especially when they wear tight clothes, they have more ribs than a Swiss Chalet restaurant!!
Besides most teenagers are basically skinny(or supposed to be ). So dont worry too much about it.

Originally Posted by Tom_B

I have some serious body image issues, I think if I wear a t-shirt the wind will blow against my stomach and press ym shirt up against me, showing people how big I am,

at 5'8"/128# which part of you is big???? Wait!! dont answer that.

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Ok, so if we see the neighbours cat walking in a funny way, we know who to blame ..... ok ok... bad joke!

no that was a pretty damn funny joke!

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

I have had my bf checked using calipers in a hospital. The nurse checked my tri's and my back ('bra fat' she called it. Bitch! ), as well my quads. I remember asking her why she didnt check my stomach, she said they dont, but i cant remember the reason she told me why they dont do it.

ok thats a good thing, I always thought they did your stomach, side of stomach and quads o well at least I know it's accuarate

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Yep. i remember that. At that point i was trawling Bodybuilding pics especially to see what different levels of bf make a person look like. I suggest when you have some time, that you do the same. Trawl sites like wannabebig.com and bodybuilding.com and look at the member pics section and their height/weight/bf info. This will help you in making better judgements with the mirror.

ok thanks for hte advice I'll check them out after posting my stuff here, I actually have some spare time today!

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Most guys that big are not natural.

lol if they were natural, I'd be pretty damn scared They're crazy huge!

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

The veiny look comes with a very low bf. Some guys die for that look. Personally, i am not a fan of it.

either am I, why anyone would want that look is beyond me, but to each their own, glad I only get it when I'm lifting weights...although I do have a pretty big vein on the inside of my right arm, I'd make a good druggy

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

From my experience, generally likes attract each other. e.g. geeks stick with each other. jocks stick with each other...etc. So if you plan on attracting something with muscles, your chances will be better if you have some yourself. So as i keep saying, and !!!

well since you put it that way! food here I come!
I'm glad though I don't go tto eat reletivley alot to gain weight, I'm guessing I got a slow metabolism because I'm gaining 1 lbs a week at 3050 calories, but I'm 15 years old, drink 2 cups of green tea a day, and my body fat% is at 8 (I think this would increase metabolism because more of you is muscle which speeds up your metabolism, correct me if I'm wrong ) all things that speed up someone's metabolism, so I guess I'm gonna hve a really slow metabolsim after I grow up, O well I'm fine with that

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Come on!! i dont think you would look that bad. I have seen skinnier dudes wearing t-shirts and even tank tops! Especially when they wear tight clothes, they have more ribs than a Swiss Chalet restaurant!!
Besides most teenagers are basically skinny(or supposed to be ). So dont worry too much about it.

ok, ok how about this, the day after I come off of my cut I'll wear a t-shirt, promise
Thats gonna be scary

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

at 5'8"/128# which part of you is big???? Wait!! dont answer that.

That's right I got 9" of pure...bicep

Ok this is what my day was like on October 26, didn't get time to post because of damn art homework

Well my day started out bad I woke up at 7am (usually get up at 5) so I decided to still workout but miss my first period, after all diet and training are my #1 pirorities
school was fine after I finally got there, except that stupid flamer was wearing had this wrap around his first, my friend asked what happened and he said "Well I started to fall so I went to reaach for my dresser but missed it and slit my wrist open on it" first off you cannout slit your wrist open on a dresser so you know he obviously cut it, secondly I know all he wants is attention because
1- When you serious about stuff like that you don't display your marks, I mean he didn't even try to hide the fact you did this, he came up with a lame ass excuse and he was wearing a short t-shirt, if that was me I'd be wearing a sweater (well I always do ) and trying to cover it up, but it was basically siplaying it so people would ask him what happened.
2- Whenever we start ignoring him, he stops eating, he still drinks his juice though
He comes to school with his wrap and tuna (that he stole from me ), takes the tuna out of the container, makes his wrap, then throws it out...I mean come on, he watns people to notice what he's doing, if he didn't he could
A) Not bother taking his luch otta his book bag
B) throw his lunch out in the morning without making it in the washroom.
C) throw his lunch out when he's walking to school
D) My personal favorite Not even bring a lunch to school!
3- When I was talking ot my frien dErin after school about what she's gonna say to him about the whole f*ck off thing (we decided not to do that, at least for now) she was telling me that she knows a grade 9 (he's a year younger than me) that's in his english class and blurted out to the entire class that he's Anorexic, Buliemic, Suicidal and Gay. I was everyone of those things but I didn't feel any need whatsoever to tell my entire english class.

He just pisses me off so much, and the moment we start including him in our converstations again he stops,like today we talked to him and now he wants to go out trick - or -treating
Like hell I would.

Anyways away from the stupid attention seeking flamer
I got my new eliptical trainer! I was so happy about that, and I went out shopping for my friend hooker costume, it so so fu*king funny, I nearly pissed myself! (yup so funny it deserves not 1, not 2 but 3 laughing faces)
I also had to draw an unmade bed for art homework that I rushed, ugh I hate art, anyways I also saw something interesting at the grocery stor the other day I forgot to metion, "No sugar added chocolate Milk" I haven't had chocolate milk in a long time!
but just becasue its no sugar added is it still worse then regualr milk? it's not a big deal, I just thought it add a little BAM of flavour to my already delicous shakes there probably my favorite thing to eat

Training - AB day/ HIIT cardio/pilates followed by stomach vaccums
6 sec ab thing - 40lbs 3x10
weighted jacknife sit-ups *15 lbs* 3x15
6 sec ab thing for lower ab *40lbs* 3x10
hip raises 3x15
Plate twist *15lbs* 3x15
Side bends *35lbs* 30x each side

Diet
Meal 1 - Pear, Whey, unsweetned soy milk, thin rolled oats
*AB and HIIT and Pilates*
*post workout* banana, whey, skim milk, thin rolled oats
Meal 2 - brown rice, tuna
Meal 3 - carb counting tortilla wrap, chicken, brown rice
Meal 4 - Egg whites, Fiber 1, canoil oil, walnuts
Meal 5 - carb counting tortilla wrap, almond butter, sweet potaotoes, tuna
Meal 6 - Cottage cheese, almond butter, fiber 1

Today's workouts were fun , I think I'm doing to much on these days, I was think of maybe spilitting my ab workouts into 3 smaller sessions and doing them before all the sessions of cardio, but would that give me the same results in my adombinals?
anyways I got a 5/5 on my unmade bed drawing for art class , I thought I was gonna get a bad mark because I did a half ass job, I guess I should do more half ass jobs .
Flamer was wearing another t-shirt so you could see his shallow cut did I ever mentioned how much I hate him?
I lvoe my eliptical trainer so much!! I fogot how much I love them! using it again tomorrow, I need a break from skipping.
Which reminds me tomorrows the day of the hallowaeen dance, hookerific
I've been eating extra all week so I can eat 2000 calories tomorrow and eat a smaple of what my cutting diet with roughly look like, so I'm excited that I don't get to be bloated tomorrow.
Anyways gtg and make my food for tomorrow

Originally Posted by Tom_B

well since you put it that way! food here I come!
I'm glad though I don't go tto eat reletivley alot to gain weight, I'm guessing I got a slow metabolism because I'm gaining 1 lbs a week at 3050 calories, but I'm 15 years old, drink 2 cups of green tea a day, and my body fat% is at 8 (I think this would increase metabolism because more of you is muscle which speeds up your metabolism, correct me if I'm wrong ) all things that speed up someone's metabolism, so I guess I'm gonna hve a really slow metabolsim after I grow up, O well I'm fine with that :

I dont know about the increase in metabolism, but i do know it does cost your body more energy to maintain 1lb of muscle compared to 1lb of fat. So i guess that would result in your body needing more cals.

Also you are a teenager and in growth mode. so eat well and dont fuss too much or get into the 'i wanna be a skinny Ms.Thang' dieting trap. Look to building a strong body. If you screw up your metabolism/body now, you will set yourself for problems for later.

Originally Posted by Tom_B

: ok, ok how about this, the day after I come off of my cut I'll wear a t-shirt, promise
Thats gonna be scary

And post a pic as well. But you could leave your ... erm... 9" bicep out of the pic.

Originally Posted by Tom_B

Today's workouts were fun , I think I'm doing to much on these days, I was think of maybe spilitting my ab workouts into 3 smaller sessions and doing them before all the sessions of cardio, but would that give me the same results in my adombinals?

Methinks you doing too much ab work, period! I know i am wasting my time telling you this, but here goes. reduce your ab work and get rid of some of the stuff. Overtraining will not yield good results. You need to work your abs just like other body parts (except the 9" bicep . hey, dont look at me. You opened that can of worms! ). Seriously. abs are not a large muscle group like your back or legs so a little extra training can overtrain them. I suggest you revise your ab training routine. 2-3 exercises of 3-4 sets each with good weights should be adequate. Unless you are planning on HVT training for them.

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

I dont know about the increase in metabolism, but i do know it does cost your body more energy to maintain 1lb of muscle compared to 1lb of fat. So i guess that would result in your body needing more cals.

Also you are a teenager and in growth mode. so eat well and dont fuss too much or get into the 'i wanna be a skinny Ms.Thang' dieting trap. Look to building a strong body. If you screw up your metabolism/body now, you will set yourself for problems for later.

Well I thought for every pound of muscle your body burns an extra 50-100 calories. O well I got a slow metabolsim, and it'll keep slowing down, thats the end of that

thats another reason why I want a clean bulk, because the cleaner the bulk the less my bodyfat% will go up, which means the less I need to cut, whcih means the less of a chance I can screw up my body, I want my growth spurt already! damn shortness!

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

And post a pic as well. But you could leave your ... erm... 9" bicep out of the pic.

don't worry I won't scar you guys

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

Methinks you doing too much ab work, period! I know i am wasting my time telling you this, but here goes. reduce your ab work and get rid of some of the stuff. Overtraining will not yield good results. You need to work your abs just like other body parts (except the 9" bicep . hey, dont look at me. You opened that can of worms! ). Seriously. abs are not a large muscle group like your back or legs so a little extra training can overtrain them. I suggest you revise your ab training routine. 2-3 exercises of 3-4 sets each with good weights should be adequate. Unless you are planning on HVT training for them.

don't worry I'll listen, I really want to build my abs up, I tend to overtrain them, it's a habit I need to get out of.
Do you mean 3-4 exercises only once a week? How many should be the obliques? Or could I do 2 sets of ab workout 3x a week 9 one session obliques, and one "lower ab", and the other "upper ab")
that thing about the 9" bicep thing reminded me about "the talk" my real father tried having with me, o god he was talking aobut if you don't exercise it, it'll be bigger I ran the hell outta that room!
It was unbelievably disturbing

Training - HIIT cardio/pilates Day

Diet
Meal 1 - Whey, unsweetned soy milk, thin rolled oats
*cardio*
*post workout* whey, skim milk, thin rolled oats
Meal 2 - brown rice, tuna
Meal 3 - carb counting tortilla wrap, chicken
Meal 4 - tuna, walnuts
*pilates followed by 3 one minute stomach vaccums*
Meal 5 - carb counting tortilla wrap, tuna
Meal 6 - egg whites, canoil oil, almond butter

Yay I get to sleep in tomorrow, gotta love long weekends
The dance was fun not!, it was so boring (well getting ready wasn't, and it was funny to see everyones first reactions, I got so many compliments on my legs and my "figure" :rolf: ya right!) it jsut dragged on and on and on, they were playing music from like 1997, like Barbie Girl, and Mambo #5 so so so boring
Anywasy I gotta catch some I'm so tired.

Originally Posted by Tom_B

Training - HIIT cardio/pilates Day

Diet
Meal 1 - Whey, unsweetned soy milk, thin rolled oats
*cardio*
*post workout* whey, skim milk, thin rolled oats
Meal 2 - brown rice, tuna
Meal 3 - carb counting tortilla wrap, chicken
Meal 4 - tuna, walnuts
*pilates followed by 3 one minute stomach vaccums*
Meal 5 - carb counting tortilla wrap, tuna
Meal 6 - egg whites, canoil oil, almond butter

?? Where are the carbies Tom? I see no significant carbies from meal 2?

Also - what the hell are you doing two workouts a day for Tom??
Don't split them!! Especially when you are eating very little carbs. You know better than this Tom - stop trying to 'sneakily' increase your work-rate and decrease your ability to gain weight!!!

Repeat to self: AIM IS MUSCLE NOT SKELETAL!

The dance was fun not!, it was so boring (well getting ready wasn't, and it was funny to see everyones first reactions, I got so many compliments on my legs and my "figure" :rolf: ya right!) it jsut dragged on and on and on, they were playing music from like 1997, like Barbie Girl, and Mambo #5 so so so boring.

You soon learn that most social events like dances are just like this. They offer nothing except cruddy music and tedious conversations with horny teenagers who really just want to find people to make-out with... I never really went to any dances etc when I was younger for that very reason!

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

?? Where are the carbies Tom? I see no significant carbies from meal 2?

I had very little that day 2000 calories, I was eating extra all week so I would only have to eat 2000 calories, cause I dodn't want o be bloated in my costume ...I had no idea what my macros should have been though, I had to make a choice between more carbs or fats, I thought fats would have been better? should looked into that stuff a little bit more before hand

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

Also - what the hell are you doing two workouts a day for Tom??
Don't split them!! Especially when you are eating very little carbs. You know better than this Tom - stop trying to 'sneakily' increase your work-rate and decrease your ability to gain weight!!!

Repeat to self: AIM IS MUSCLE NOT SKELETAL!

sorry! I ususally always spilt my workouts into 2 on these days, but I usually have a carb before doing the pilates (even though I don't even break a sweat during Pilates....hmm now that I look at it, I don't sweat alot, even during cardio, I feel like I'm gonna pass out soon but I'm never sweating heavily, same for my weights does that mean I'm oding something wrong? ) just I didn't really have any for hte rest of the day, except supper, but I was going to the shit ass dance after supper, so...

I gotta keep telling myself I want muscles not to be sketletal, but theres the days where I'm not sure, but then I kick myself and tell myself I've made too much progress already, I don't want to go back wards and it works for the most part , not to mention I got all you guys for motivation!

Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

You soon learn that most social events like dances are just like this. They offer nothing except cruddy music and tedious conversations with horny teenagers who really just want to find people to make-out with... I never really went to any dances etc when I was younger for that very reason!

I've know this for a while, that was probably my hmm...I think 3rd or 4th dance I've been to in total, and I hated them all, I thoguht about month ago it was gonna be fun, then as time went on I started to regret my descison to do it, I wanted to back out but I oculdn't..o well it's over with so I'm good

Originally Posted by Tom_B

don't worry I'll listen, I really want to build my abs up, I tend to overtrain them, it's a habit I need to get out of.:

Believe me, thats another thing with gay guys. Even though they may be skinny, they tend to give their abs an excessive bashing. Doing sooo many crunches that i think one day someone will poop out a kidney during a crunch! And/Or they do insane amounts of cardio. For some baffling reason they cannot see that they have no arms, no chest, no legs and no ass!! but they keep doing cardio to get skinnier... than what?!! beats me.

Originally Posted by Tom_B

o you mean 3-4 exercises only once a week? How many should be the obliques? Or could I do 2 sets of ab workout 3x a week 9 one session obliques, and one "lower ab", and the other "upper ab"):

Yep. 3-4 (weighted) exercises once a week should be fine. e.g. You could do 1 each of floor crunches, twist crunches, decline situps. Dont get started on the upper and lower thing . check out this thread : upper abs?

Originally Posted by Tom_B

: that thing about the 9" bicep thing reminded me about "the talk" my real father tried having with me, o god he was talking aobut if you don't exercise it, it'll be bigger I ran the hell outta that room!
It was unbelievably disturbing

never heard that one before. Never thought that boys were encouraged to do it and that doing it would whittle it down in size. My dad never had 'the talk' with me *thank god!* . I always heard the opposite. Like 'if you do it you will go blind!'