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Randy · 11-18-2004, 02:11 PM

I wouldn't want either one Cow....

DeadBolt · 11-19-2004, 01:38 AM

Wow CP I would have never guessed it. I am just a pure endo lol. I was about 240-245(thats on a 5'6" frame...looks damn fat lol) frosh year of highschool. Couldn't play football so I was bumbed and went on a starving diet and just did crazy amounts of cardio w/ weight lifting (before I found these boards and knew what I was doing) and lost close to 90lbs or so in a year. Now I'm here.

**CowPimp** · 11-19-2004, 01:55 AM

DeadBolt
Wow, you outdid me on the crash diet. Oh well, at least we know the error in our ways now.

Squat/Deadlift DE:

Box Squats
165 x 2
165 x 2
165 x 2
165 x 2
165 x 2
165 x 2
165 x 2
165 x 2

GHRs
75 x 12
75 x 12
75 x 12

Decline Situps
65 x 8
65 x 8
65 x 8

Hamstring Curls
150 x 8
150 x 8
150 x 7

Seated Calf Raises
180 x 8
135 x 12
135 x 12

I enjoyed the pace of today's workout. It just felt right. GHRs are going up quickly. Decline siutps took a step down because they gym's decline is quite a bit steeper than my bench at home. Only one rep for a 15 degree increase in decline or so is totally resonable though. I bounced the first set of seated calf raises out, and used poor ROM. I overestimated the weight. The next two sets were slower and more controlled.

Meal1
4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 8oz apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C

Meal2
trioplex bar

Meal3
2 scoops milk protein, 2 TBSP PB, 2 slices WW bread, cucumber

Meal4 - PWO
2 scoops whey protein, 1 cup oats

Meal5
can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 WW pita, celery

Snack
glass milk, scoop whey

Meal6
5 crab cakes, salmon, brown rice, peas

Meal7
2% cottage cheese, salmon, cashews, banana

Meal8
1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB

Wonderful eating today. Those 5 crab cakes were awesome. I went to my mom's place to have dinner and visit. Home cooking owns. My cheats were once again pretty healthy. I just ate more.

**P-funk** · 11-19-2004, 04:32 AM

how long was your rest interval on the box squats?

DeadBolt · 11-19-2004, 08:58 AM

A quick question, with DE why are they so few reps? I understand you need to stay heavy and all but I was just curious why like the ME aren't a very low rep then maybe the DE slightly higher. I am clueless about it so I was just curious.

Yea the crash diet is nothing to be proud of....I really screwed my body up doing it. More so then screwing my body up it was the fact I began binging....constantly then making myself vomit and stuff. Or just keeping it in me and feeling guilty for a week and starving myself.

**CowPimp** · 11-19-2004, 10:03 AM

P-funk
I usually do 45 seconds. I would be willing to do 30 seconds if I was really pressed for time, but I haven't been forced to yet.

DeadBolt
The key with the DE lift is to accelerate the bar as much as possible. This way you are ensured not to experience much, if any, fatigue. You can focus on the maximum amount of compensatory acceleration you are capable of. Overload has nothing to do with the dynamic effort method. It is all about increased the rate of force generation so you can blast through sticking points in your 1RM.

I'm glad to see that you have overcome that eating disorder. I would have never guessed, because you seem very dedicated to health and fitness at this point.

DeadBolt · 11-20-2004, 12:39 AM

Ahh thanks for clearing that up....so its not even about the reps at all its just putting that effort into it. Thats so funny how the science behind it is so perfect. I need to try this out one day LOL.

As far as the eating problem yea I have overcome some of it but if I get careless and don't pay strict attention I get it right back. I think thas why I have taken this as a major in college and a large part of my life just to prevent myself and others from having to go through it all.

**CowPimp** · 11-20-2004, 01:04 AM

DeadBolt
I definitely recommend the program. As you can see, I am reaping the benefits big time.

That's a very noble reason of you to choose this major, even if it is only part of the equation.

HIIT Cardio
~20 minutes of jogging

I actually did cardio today, woohoo! It felt good. I'm going to try to keep with the cardio a little more in the upcoming weeks. It's just so much harder for me to wake up an extra hour or so early for cardio than it is for me to wake up earlier to hit the weights. I'm much more apprehensive about doing cardio, although I do enjoy it to a certain degree once I get going.

Meal1
4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 1 cup apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C

Meal2 - PWO
2 scoops whey, 1 cup oats

Meal3
2 slices WW bread, 2 scoops milk protein, 2 TBSP PB, cucumber

Meal4
trioplex bar

Meal5
can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 slices WW pita, celery

Meal6
tin sardines, 3oz chicken breast, 6oz sweet potato, 20G olive oil dressing & golden flax seed, lettuce, tomato

Snack
1 scoop whey, 1 cup 2% milk

Meal7
1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB

Standard 4K calorie or so diet today. Cheating is so much more fun.

DeadBolt · 11-20-2004, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

DeadBolt
I definitely recommend the program. As you can see, I am reaping the benefits big time.

That's a very noble reason of you to choose this major, even if it is only part of the equation.

Yes you are reaping the benefits lol...strength is just through the roof! I will wait until I go on a bulk though...once I'm done witht his cut I'll start a just above maint. bulk very slow and steady. No sense in me doing the program with such a cal deficient diet.

**CowPimp** · 11-20-2004, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadBolt

Yes you are reaping the benefits lol...strength is just through the roof! I will wait until I go on a bulk though...once I'm done witht his cut I'll start a just above maint. bulk very slow and steady. No sense in me doing the program with such a cal deficient diet.

I highly disagree, actually. I would say that it makes less sense to do a bodybuilding routine on a cut, because you aren't going to be gaining mass with such a high caloric deficit. Strength, however, hinges on a lot more than just muscle mass. You can certainly be increasing intramuscular and intermuscular coordination while in a caloric deficit.

**P-funk** · 11-20-2004, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I highly disagree, actually. I would say that it makes less sense to do a bodybuilding routine on a cut, because you aren't going to be gaining mass with such a high caloric deficit. Strength, however, hinges on a lot more than just muscle mass. You can certainly be increasing intramuscular and intermuscular coordination while in a caloric deficit.

yes, pushing some heavy weights while dieting is crucial. Great for CNS stimulation, great for hormonal (endocrine system) simulation, great for protein synthesis.

BulkMeUp · 11-20-2004, 11:31 AM

Pushing as heavy as possible on a cut seems more difficult than on a bulk. Sometimes i fell like i am lacking energy. I guess this is normal. is it?

Randy · 11-20-2004, 11:38 AM

Yes, that theory makes sense Bulk... You have more power when you're bulking then cutting. But that doesn't mean you still can't lift as heavy as possible. You're weight capacity will just drop.

BulkMeUp · 11-20-2004, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy

Yes, that theory makes sense Bulk... You have more power when you're bulking then cutting. But that doesn't mean you still can't lift as heavy as possible. You're weight capacity will just drop.

I guess i just have to keep reminding myself that 'as heavy as possible' does not mean 'as heavy as on a bulk'. I guess it works negatively on my mind when i cant lift as heavy as i used to.

Randy · 11-20-2004, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

I guess i just have to keep reminding myself that 'as heavy as possible' does not mean 'as heavy as on a bulk'. I guess it works negatively on my mind when i cant lift as heavy as i used to.

Yes, that is the logic you have to use.
Ask Mudge or anyone else, you can lose considerable strength after cutting.
I will soon find out myself, cause I start cutting diet on the 1st.

DeadBolt · 11-20-2004, 06:26 PM

I understand lifting heavy is good during a cut and I still do. I just want to be in a more cal + range once doing that because right now I may get discouraged b/c I wont be gaining as much strength as I know I should.

I am currently using p/rr/s as I have been for some time now and I wanted to give it the last few cycles during this cut. I will be getting 6 full cycles out of this cut then once I'm there I want to try westside.

Randy · 11-20-2004, 06:32 PM

I think for me, I would rather be lifting higher reps during my cut to help bring out my cuts during the cutting cycle. Bulk lifting has always been my preference. As a result I have developed good strength and muscle. I just need to accent it by reducing my body fat and burning off the outer fat layer. I think if I can do that I will be very happy with the results. I'm 230 now and believe I could knock off 30 and be right about where I want to be.

As for westside, never tried that one.

**P-funk** · 11-20-2004, 06:35 PM

Quote:

I would rather be lifting higher reps during my cut to help bring out my cuts during the cutting cycle

How does higher reps bring out cuts? Defenition comes from diet.

DeadBolt · 11-20-2004, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

How does higher reps bring out cuts? Defenition comes from diet.

Maybe he's refering to trying to get more blood into the muscles for a better "pump"? Either way I don't think it matters...lifting w/ low reps or high reps its all the same when it comes to how defined you look. Diet is everything.

**CowPimp** · 11-21-2004, 01:59 AM

P-funk
You can always count on P-funk to bring insight into the situation. Which reminds me, what do you think of doing some cleans as a DE lift? I really enjoy cleans. It seems as though the clean incorporates a fairly similar motion to the squat and deadlift, minues the pseudo french curl at the end.

BulkMeUp
I can understand the mental block of lifting lower weights. However, it is quite possible to get stronger while cutting.

Randy
Cutting makes quite a difference in terms of looks. I swear my arms looked bigger post-cut because of their size relative to the rest of my body, and the increased definition.

DeadBolt
I can understand your preference. Just as long as you realize that you can gain strength while cutting, we're on the same page.

Bench Press DE:

Bench Press
145 x 3
145 x 3
145 x 3
145 x 3
145 x 3
145 x 3
145 x 3
145 x 3

Bent DB Rows @ 90
75 x 8
75 x 8
75 x 8

Wide Pullups
35 x 2
25 x 3
25 x 3

Dips
50 x 7
50 x 7
50 x 7

DB Arnold Press
45 x 8
45 x 8
45 x 7

Another excellent workout today. I'm really enjoying this style of workout. I alternated the grip on my bench press again. Half the sets were my benching width, the other half were varied wider grips.

Accessory work saw a nice gain, except for wide pullups. However, I have never had access to a machine where they can be done at this width. The widest I have ever gone before is doorway wide, where my pullup bar resides. As well, these were done pronated. My target is the lats though, so I felt this superceded the want to push, or in this case pull, more weight. Dips, on the other hand, exploded in weight.

Meal1
4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 8oz apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C

Meal2 - PWO
2 scoops whey protein, 1 cup oats

Meal3
2 scoops milk protein, 2 TBSP PB, 2 slices WW bread, cucumber

Meal4
trioplex bar

Meal5
can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 WW pita, celery

Meal6
tin sardines, 3oz chicken breast, 6oz sweet potato, 20G flax seed & olive oil dressing, lettuce, tomato

Snack
1 cup 2% milk, 1 scoop whey

Meal7
1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB

**P-funk** · 11-21-2004, 06:11 AM

Quote:

You can always count on P-funk to bring insight into the situation. Which reminds me, what do you think of doing some cleans as a DE lift? I really enjoy cleans. It seems as though the clean incorporates a fairly similar motion to the squat and deadlift, minues the pseudo french curl at the end.

yeah, you can totally go for it!! The first pull of the clean is overloading the hamstrings (storying kinetic energy and transfering it to dynamic energy). and the catch is like coming out of a front squat.

**CowPimp** · 11-21-2004, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-funk

yeah, you can totally go for it!! The first pull of the clean is overloading the hamstrings (storying kinetic energy and transfering it to dynamic energy). and the catch is like coming out of a front squat.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I haven't done cleans in a while, but I really enjoy them. It will be a nice way to continue to keep things interesting.

BulkMeUp · 11-21-2004, 11:38 AM

What do you guys think about some lbm loss while on a cut? I know the whole point is to hold onto it as much as possible. But according to my (inaccurate) bf impedence scale, i may have lost some lbm.

Example, in the past 3 months i have lost:
bi ~1"
quads ~1"
waist ~3"
weight is down by 15lbs (from 176 down to 161)

I know some loss in size would be due to the fact i decided to take a break from creatine on this cut. But do those losses look ok, from your experience or does it look like i am loosing too much muscle?

BulkMeUp · 11-21-2004, 11:40 AM

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11-18-2004, 02:11 PM	#181
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I wouldn't want either one Cow....
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11-19-2004, 01:38 AM	#182
DeadBolt MP Minister of Pain! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ocean County NJ Posts: 7,342	Wow CP I would have never guessed it. I am just a pure endo lol. I was about 240-245(thats on a 5'6" frame...looks damn fat lol) frosh year of highschool. Couldn't play football so I was bumbed and went on a starving diet and just did crazy amounts of cardio w/ weight lifting (before I found these boards and knew what I was doing) and lost close to 90lbs or so in a year. Now I'm here.
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11-19-2004, 01:55 AM	#183
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	DeadBolt Wow, you outdid me on the crash diet. Oh well, at least we know the error in our ways now. Squat/Deadlift DE: Box Squats 165 x 2 165 x 2 165 x 2 165 x 2 165 x 2 165 x 2 165 x 2 165 x 2 GHRs 75 x 12 75 x 12 75 x 12 Decline Situps 65 x 8 65 x 8 65 x 8 Hamstring Curls 150 x 8 150 x 8 150 x 7 Seated Calf Raises 180 x 8 135 x 12 135 x 12 I enjoyed the pace of today's workout. It just felt right. GHRs are going up quickly. Decline siutps took a step down because they gym's decline is quite a bit steeper than my bench at home. Only one rep for a 15 degree increase in decline or so is totally resonable though. I bounced the first set of seated calf raises out, and used poor ROM. I overestimated the weight. The next two sets were slower and more controlled. Meal1 4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 8oz apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C Meal2 trioplex bar Meal3 2 scoops milk protein, 2 TBSP PB, 2 slices WW bread, cucumber Meal4 - PWO 2 scoops whey protein, 1 cup oats Meal5 can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 WW pita, celery Snack glass milk, scoop whey Meal6 5 crab cakes, salmon, brown rice, peas Meal7 2% cottage cheese, salmon, cashews, banana Meal8 1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB Wonderful eating today. Those 5 crab cakes were awesome. I went to my mom's place to have dinner and visit. Home cooking owns. My cheats were once again pretty healthy. I just ate more.
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11-19-2004, 04:32 AM	#184
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,631	how long was your rest interval on the box squats?
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11-19-2004, 08:58 AM	#185
DeadBolt MP Minister of Pain! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ocean County NJ Posts: 7,342	A quick question, with DE why are they so few reps? I understand you need to stay heavy and all but I was just curious why like the ME aren't a very low rep then maybe the DE slightly higher. I am clueless about it so I was just curious. Yea the crash diet is nothing to be proud of....I really screwed my body up doing it. More so then screwing my body up it was the fact I began binging....constantly then making myself vomit and stuff. Or just keeping it in me and feeling guilty for a week and starving myself.
	"Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson ´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((((º>

11-19-2004, 10:03 AM	#186
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	P-funk I usually do 45 seconds. I would be willing to do 30 seconds if I was really pressed for time, but I haven't been forced to yet. DeadBolt The key with the DE lift is to accelerate the bar as much as possible. This way you are ensured not to experience much, if any, fatigue. You can focus on the maximum amount of compensatory acceleration you are capable of. Overload has nothing to do with the dynamic effort method. It is all about increased the rate of force generation so you can blast through sticking points in your 1RM. I'm glad to see that you have overcome that eating disorder. I would have never guessed, because you seem very dedicated to health and fitness at this point.
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11-20-2004, 12:39 AM	#187
DeadBolt MP Minister of Pain! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ocean County NJ Posts: 7,342	Ahh thanks for clearing that up....so its not even about the reps at all its just putting that effort into it. Thats so funny how the science behind it is so perfect. I need to try this out one day LOL. As far as the eating problem yea I have overcome some of it but if I get careless and don't pay strict attention I get it right back. I think thas why I have taken this as a major in college and a large part of my life just to prevent myself and others from having to go through it all.
	"Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson ´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((((º>

11-20-2004, 01:04 AM	#188
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	DeadBolt I definitely recommend the program. As you can see, I am reaping the benefits big time. That's a very noble reason of you to choose this major, even if it is only part of the equation. HIIT Cardio ~20 minutes of jogging I actually did cardio today, woohoo! It felt good. I'm going to try to keep with the cardio a little more in the upcoming weeks. It's just so much harder for me to wake up an extra hour or so early for cardio than it is for me to wake up earlier to hit the weights. I'm much more apprehensive about doing cardio, although I do enjoy it to a certain degree once I get going. Meal1 4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 1 cup apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C Meal2 - PWO 2 scoops whey, 1 cup oats Meal3 2 slices WW bread, 2 scoops milk protein, 2 TBSP PB, cucumber Meal4 trioplex bar Meal5 can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 slices WW pita, celery Meal6 tin sardines, 3oz chicken breast, 6oz sweet potato, 20G olive oil dressing & golden flax seed, lettuce, tomato Snack 1 scoop whey, 1 cup 2% milk Meal7 1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB Standard 4K calorie or so diet today. Cheating is so much more fun.
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11-20-2004, 11:31 AM	#192
BulkMeUp ..is bulking up! Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cana-dah Posts: 5,317	Pushing as heavy as possible on a cut seems more difficult than on a bulk. Sometimes i fell like i am lacking energy. I guess this is normal. is it?

11-20-2004, 11:38 AM	#193
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Yes, that theory makes sense Bulk... You have more power when you're bulking then cutting. But that doesn't mean you still can't lift as heavy as possible. You're weight capacity will just drop.
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11-20-2004, 06:26 PM	#196
DeadBolt MP Minister of Pain! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ocean County NJ Posts: 7,342	I understand lifting heavy is good during a cut and I still do. I just want to be in a more cal + range once doing that because right now I may get discouraged b/c I wont be gaining as much strength as I know I should. I am currently using p/rr/s as I have been for some time now and I wanted to give it the last few cycles during this cut. I will be getting 6 full cycles out of this cut then once I'm there I want to try westside.
	"Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson ´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((((º>

11-20-2004, 06:32 PM	#197
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I think for me, I would rather be lifting higher reps during my cut to help bring out my cuts during the cutting cycle. Bulk lifting has always been my preference. As a result I have developed good strength and muscle. I just need to accent it by reducing my body fat and burning off the outer fat layer. I think if I can do that I will be very happy with the results. I'm 230 now and believe I could knock off 30 and be right about where I want to be. As for westside, never tried that one.
	- O F F I C I A L . L I N K . M A S T E R - Maintains a Reference to all Gopros P/RR/S Links Gopros latest routines: CLICK HERE Lift like a Chicken Look Like a Chicken

11-21-2004, 01:59 AM	#200
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	P-funk You can always count on P-funk to bring insight into the situation. Which reminds me, what do you think of doing some cleans as a DE lift? I really enjoy cleans. It seems as though the clean incorporates a fairly similar motion to the squat and deadlift, minues the pseudo french curl at the end. BulkMeUp I can understand the mental block of lifting lower weights. However, it is quite possible to get stronger while cutting. Randy Cutting makes quite a difference in terms of looks. I swear my arms looked bigger post-cut because of their size relative to the rest of my body, and the increased definition. DeadBolt I can understand your preference. Just as long as you realize that you can gain strength while cutting, we're on the same page. Bench Press DE: Bench Press 145 x 3 145 x 3 145 x 3 145 x 3 145 x 3 145 x 3 145 x 3 145 x 3 Bent DB Rows @ 90 75 x 8 75 x 8 75 x 8 Wide Pullups 35 x 2 25 x 3 25 x 3 Dips 50 x 7 50 x 7 50 x 7 DB Arnold Press 45 x 8 45 x 8 45 x 7 Another excellent workout today. I'm really enjoying this style of workout. I alternated the grip on my bench press again. Half the sets were my benching width, the other half were varied wider grips. Accessory work saw a nice gain, except for wide pullups. However, I have never had access to a machine where they can be done at this width. The widest I have ever gone before is doorway wide, where my pullup bar resides. As well, these were done pronated. My target is the lats though, so I felt this superceded the want to push, or in this case pull, more weight. Dips, on the other hand, exploded in weight. Meal1 4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 8oz apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C Meal2 - PWO 2 scoops whey protein, 1 cup oats Meal3 2 scoops milk protein, 2 TBSP PB, 2 slices WW bread, cucumber Meal4 trioplex bar Meal5 can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 WW pita, celery Meal6 tin sardines, 3oz chicken breast, 6oz sweet potato, 20G flax seed & olive oil dressing, lettuce, tomato Snack 1 cup 2% milk, 1 scoop whey Meal7 1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB
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11-21-2004, 11:38 AM	#203
BulkMeUp ..is bulking up! Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cana-dah Posts: 5,317	What do you guys think about some lbm loss while on a cut? I know the whole point is to hold onto it as much as possible. But according to my (inaccurate) bf impedence scale, i may have lost some lbm. Example, in the past 3 months i have lost: bi ~1" quads ~1" waist ~3" weight is down by 15lbs (from 176 down to 161) I know some loss in size would be due to the fact i decided to take a break from creatine on this cut. But do those losses look ok, from your experience or does it look like i am loosing too much muscle?