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DeadBolt · 11-21-2004, 11:41 PM

Awsome w/o man. I can't get myself to do pullups...I think the weight it to much for my shoulders b/c they just get torn up when I try them. Chins I can do but I don't think my back is strong enough to handle a pullup so I use to much bi and delt to compensate.

And yea I feel ya on how you can still gain strength on a cut...I did my last cut. Also take a look at wrestlers. They are in like a 24/7 cut are some strong mofo's.

**CowPimp** · 11-22-2004, 01:19 AM

DeadBolt
I can certainly do more chinups than pullups. I know what you mean about pullups, it is really hard to do them properly. I love the challenge though.

I was actually going to use wrestler's as an example. I used to be on the wrestling team, although very briefly, and they dieted like crazy (Everyone except for me that is). Many of them were extremely strong, especially relative to their weight. This one guy, Marlin, could rep out 225 (I can't remember exactly how many, but I would say 5-7 reps) on the decline bench. He wrestled in the 125 weight class and maintained at or below this weight consistently during the season.

Meal1
4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 8oz apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C

Meal2
1 scoop whey, 2 cups 2% milk, 1/2 cup oats, cucumber

Meal3
trioplex bar

Meal4
can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 WW pita, celery

Meal5
tin sardines, 3oz chicken breast, 6oz sweet potato, 20G flax seed & olive oil dressing, lettuce, tomato

Meal6
1 cup 2% milk, 1 scoop whey, 2 TBSP PB, cucumber

Meal7
1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB

DeadBolt · 11-22-2004, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

DeadBolt
I can certainly do more chinups than pullups. I know what you mean about pullups, it is really hard to do them properly. I love the challenge though.

I was actually going to use wrestler's as an example. I used to be on the wrestling team, although very briefly, and they dieted like crazy (Everyone except for me that is). Many of them were extremely strong, especially relative to their weight. This one guy, Marlin, could rep out 225 (I can't remember exactly how many, but I would say 5-7 reps) on the decline bench. He wrestled in the 125 weight class and maintained at or below this weight consistently during the season.

When you do pullups how wide do you go? And also is your body completely straight or do your hips move forward and you sort of arch your lower back? Everyone I talk to at the gym says they're shoulders never hurt when doing pullups but then again they have no problem getting the weight up. I was just wondering if I have a problem or I'm just not strong enough yet.

Yea many of my friends are wrestlers and my father was real hardcore into it. I use to see some of them workout and the weights they would use for the size fo their body was just nuts. I was going to go out for wrestling but my freshman year of highschool I changed schools and was shocked by the talent the school had so I said screw it. What a difference between the private school system and the public school system and how hardcore they are lol.

BulkMeUp · 11-22-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

2) Being in caloric defecit is what will cause wieght loss (fat loss). I try and get my cals to maintenance to start my diet and then the caloric defecit is created through exercise. I train at 30 or 60sec rest intervals to get my heart rate up. I roll like that until improvements start to slow. Then I either lower cals a bit more or I throw in a little cardio and keep on trucking along.

I have always been training as usual but cutting cals. As i was under the impression that cutting is mainly about diet. But i guess i should also work towards upping the intensity in addition to cutting cals.

**P-funk** · 11-22-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BulkMeUp

I have always been training as usual but cutting cals. As i was under the impression that cutting is mainly about diet. But i guess i should also work towards upping the intensity in addition to cutting cals.

It is all about diet and creating a caloric defecit somehow. All I am saying is that people are so quick to drop calories (which makes you drop energy. which makes your workouts suck!!). Just look at other variables of your training and diet program and figure out other ways to do things. That is all I was saying. Just some food for thought (no pun intended

).

**CowPimp** · 11-22-2004, 11:26 PM

DeadBolt
Well, I am going way beyond shoulder width, because the apparatus at my gym allows it. I am able to better target my lats this way. I try to keep myself perfectly upright, but I do move my hips forward ever so slightly if I really struggle on the last repetition. Maybe you should try some assisted pullups as a warm-up?

Aw, you should have tried it. I was probably the worst wrestler on the team (We actually had a very good team, unlike the rest of our sports teams), but I loved the workouts. They were super intense. I can't really talk, because I quit quickly, but it was worth it for the time being.

BulkMeUp
Well, there are two ways to get in a caloric deficit. Eat less or do more; most people do a combination of both. Definitely be careful though. Take your time and do it right. If you're all natural, as I am, then retaining all your LBM is quite a chore. As well, it is harder to gain back what you lose.

P-funk
I highly respect your opinion, and I think I will take your advice next time I cut, which probably won't be until summer.

Squat/Deadlift ME:

Good Mornings
85 x 3
105 x 3
125 x 3
145 x 3
165 x 1
185 x 1
215 x 1
225 x 1

GHRs
80 x 12
80 x 12
80 x 12

Decline Situps
65 x 8
65 x 8
65 x 6

SLDLs
285 x 6
285 x 6
285 x 6

Leg Press Calf Raises
490 x 10
490 x 10
490 x 10

Really brutal workout today. Good mornings actually felt fairly good to hit a 1RM with. I will be doing them again next week for ME day, but trying for 235 and 245. I started conservatively because I have never gone quite this heavy on good mornings before, and the potential for injury is high. Accessory work is still looking great and is improving steadily.

I actually did my decline situps on a slightly steeper incline today, yet again. I was once again very happy that I was able to continue using the same weight without too much of a less in repetitions. Last week I used their decline bench press. This week I used the adjustable stand alone bench. I will be sticking with it from now on. So, expect to see me finish off 8 reps or more on all 3 sets next week, as I will be keeping the level of decline the same.

Meal1
4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 8oz apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C

Meal2 - PWO
2 scoops whey protein, 1 cup oats

Meal3
2 scoops milk protein, 2 TBSP PB, 2 slices WW bread, cucumber

Meal4
trioplex bar

Meal5
can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 WW pita, celery

Meal6
tin sardines, 3oz chicken breast, 6oz sweet potato, 20G flax seed & olive oil dressing, lettuce, tomato

Meal7
1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB

DeadBolt · 11-23-2004, 03:12 AM

Awsome w/o man...your a beast lol.

Yea I tried assisted pullups but it never worked...I never improved on them. Then I started pullups with a spotter and my shoulder just started to kill me. I may try something else down the road.

BulkMeUp · 11-23-2004, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

It is all about diet and creating a caloric deficit somehow. All I am saying is that people are so quick to drop calories (which makes you drop energy. which makes your workouts suck!!). Just look at other variables of your training and diet program and figure out other ways to do things. That is all I was saying. Just some food for thought (no pun intended

).

I am not one of those people who need to dive into the fridge first thing in the morning so dieting is not much of a problem for me. I guess i shall have to focus more on increasing intensity on my training for the next few weeks.
*Back to the drawing board.

*

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

Well, there are two ways to get in a caloric deficit. Eat less or do more; most people do a combination of both. Definitely be careful though. Take your time and do it right. If you're all natural, as I am, then retaining all your LBM is quite a chore. As well, it is harder to gain back what you lose.

Yep i am all natural and going on anything more than creatine is nowhere on my radar.

I ate less, down to 11x my bw with carbs about 1.1/lb with a small refeed a week. Have been doing that for 3 months, but i think i should increase cals and up the intensity. This should also prepare me for my upcoming next bulk. I am not really a big eater, but i am looking forward to bulking.

Another question for you experienced guys.
I know that one is supposed to keep regularly changing exercises to keep the muscles guessing and promote growth. But if you had a routine that you weren't really sick and tired yet. Would you keep going until you felt the need to change it or would you set a target/time frame and then change it? I am going to start bulking in the next few weeks or probably in Jan. And was wondering if i should come up with something new or modify my present routine or just stick to it. Presently i have been doing a pyramid style for the past 8-9months.

**CowPimp** · 11-23-2004, 10:44 AM

DeadBolt
Eh, I wouldn't worry about it too much. You can just do pulldowns instead. If you exacerbate an injury by doing pullups, or are potentially creating one, then it's not worth it. You may also want to consider pullovers if you haven't already.

BulkMeUp
It is my opinion that you don't need to change your routine at all if you are progressing in strength. If you stay at the same workload two weeks in a row on an exercise, then I suggest changing that exercise. Always strive to increase your workload by at least 1 repetition every workout. Until that time comes, I see no reason to arbitrarily change. I change frequently because I like to do a variety of exercises, but I do keep some of the same core lifts.

For example, I almost always do SLDLs for my hamstrings. I love the exercise, and as you can see by my journal, I have been progressing steadily. I see absolutely no reason to change this lift.

By the way, what kind of differences have you noticed with creatine? I have never used it, and I don't plan to, but I'm just curious.

BulkMeUp · 11-23-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CowPimp

By the way, what kind of differences have you noticed with creatine? I have never used it, and I don't plan to, but I'm just curious.

Thanks for the tips, Cow.

With Creatine i did notice an increase in strength and lifted more than i could imagine. Years ago i would have to use both hands to lift a 70lb dumbell. By the end of my last bulk, i was benching 6 reps on my 4th set (followed by a super drop set as with my pyramid training) with 70x2 db.

However i should add i did pay a lot more attention to my diet and pwo shake during this bulk cycle, which could have contributed to my gains as well.

Randy · 11-23-2004, 02:37 PM

I just bought a new tub of creatine and L-Glutamine yesterday... Was 70.00 bucks

But those are 2 things I definately believe in.

DeadBolt · 11-23-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy

I just bought a new tub of creatine and L-Glutamine yesterday... Was 70.00 bucks

But those are 2 things I definately believe in.

Same here...need to make a run to the Vit. Shoppe and pick some more sups up I'm running low.

Randy · 11-23-2004, 03:17 PM

At least creatine is cheap. Wish L-Glutamine was as cheap as creatine is.

**CowPimp** · 11-23-2004, 11:32 PM

I can't afford all those supplements. I take a multi-vitamin/mineral, time release vitamin C, whey protein, and egg or milk protein. That costs enough as it is.

Randy · 11-24-2004, 12:49 AM

I hear ya Cow... But knowing that my stuff is going for my health I usually will bend the budget just a bit further. Otherwise I would a lot of this stuff up too.

DeadBolt · 11-24-2004, 08:28 AM

Cow i hear ya on the budget...I am pretty broke now so I don't take much. But when I do have a little extra cash the creatine is well worth the splurge for me.

BulkMeUp · 11-24-2004, 08:52 AM

Creatine i shall buy again.. It is cheap. But Glutamine, i am not sure if i want to splurge on it, even though it is recommended.

Randy · 11-24-2004, 10:47 AM

Well when you think actually how many days 1 tub will serve you it seems more affordable. If you look at it as a whole it sounds more expensive.

**CowPimp** · 11-24-2004, 10:50 AM

Well, beyond the budget, creatine is against my philosophy. For a long time, I didn't even accept protein supplements or bars. However, it is damned near impossible to get my caloric needs while going to school and working full time out of state without a quick way to supplement my protein. I will never take creatine. I don't want anything that helps increase muscle mass and/or strength besides the proper nutrients and training regimen.

**CowPimp** · 11-24-2004, 10:54 AM

Just to let you know, I forgot to post my diet yesterday. It was an off day, as it was the one day I have school and work both. I ate the standard diet almost, except I ate a turkey & eggplant dip sub at work in place of the protein bar (I forgot it), and I passed out after my milk and whey snack. I didn't eat the PB and cottage cheese meal.

I was so beat; I work at the airport, and it was crazy busy for Thanksgiving. All the planes were filled to the brim, everyone brought a lot of bags, and the bags were really heavy. As well, there were several delays and swaps between airplanes. My finger picked up a lot of extra flights, so I basically didn't get to even take a breather for about 6 hours straight. It was pretty ridiculous. Anyway, I slept 9.5 hours last night, so that made up for it.

Randy · 11-24-2004, 10:56 AM

CowPimp, new evidence I read states that creatine is even recommended for older people.. As for budget, it is dirt cheap for creatine. It doesn't increase your muscle mass, it moves water into your muscles to give the illusion of bigger muscle mass.

BulkMeUp · 11-24-2004, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy

Well when you think actually how many days 1 tub will serve you it seems more affordable. If you look at it as a whole it sounds more expensive.

I guess you are right. But i am not sure how effective it would be to gain compared to creatine. JMO.

**P-funk** · 11-24-2004, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I can't afford all those supplements. I take a multi-vitamin/mineral, time release vitamin C, whey protein, and egg or milk protein. That costs enough as it is.

I am the same. I use creatine every now and again when I am bulking. But other than that the on;y supps I buy are whey, flax and a multi.....jsut eat quality foods and you will be set.

11-21-2004, 11:41 PM	#211
DeadBolt MP Minister of Pain! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ocean County NJ Posts: 7,342	Awsome w/o man. I can't get myself to do pullups...I think the weight it to much for my shoulders b/c they just get torn up when I try them. Chins I can do but I don't think my back is strong enough to handle a pullup so I use to much bi and delt to compensate. And yea I feel ya on how you can still gain strength on a cut...I did my last cut. Also take a look at wrestlers. They are in like a 24/7 cut are some strong mofo's.
	"Only in dictionaries does SUCCESS come before WORK." -Alfred K. Henderson ´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((((º>

11-22-2004, 01:19 AM	#212
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	DeadBolt I can certainly do more chinups than pullups. I know what you mean about pullups, it is really hard to do them properly. I love the challenge though. I was actually going to use wrestler's as an example. I used to be on the wrestling team, although very briefly, and they dieted like crazy (Everyone except for me that is). Many of them were extremely strong, especially relative to their weight. This one guy, Marlin, could rep out 225 (I can't remember exactly how many, but I would say 5-7 reps) on the decline bench. He wrestled in the 125 weight class and maintained at or below this weight consistently during the season. Meal1 4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 8oz apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C Meal2 1 scoop whey, 2 cups 2% milk, 1/2 cup oats, cucumber Meal3 trioplex bar Meal4 can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 WW pita, celery Meal5 tin sardines, 3oz chicken breast, 6oz sweet potato, 20G flax seed & olive oil dressing, lettuce, tomato Meal6 1 cup 2% milk, 1 scoop whey, 2 TBSP PB, cucumber Meal7 1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB
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11-22-2004, 11:26 PM	#216
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	DeadBolt Well, I am going way beyond shoulder width, because the apparatus at my gym allows it. I am able to better target my lats this way. I try to keep myself perfectly upright, but I do move my hips forward ever so slightly if I really struggle on the last repetition. Maybe you should try some assisted pullups as a warm-up? Aw, you should have tried it. I was probably the worst wrestler on the team (We actually had a very good team, unlike the rest of our sports teams), but I loved the workouts. They were super intense. I can't really talk, because I quit quickly, but it was worth it for the time being. BulkMeUp Well, there are two ways to get in a caloric deficit. Eat less or do more; most people do a combination of both. Definitely be careful though. Take your time and do it right. If you're all natural, as I am, then retaining all your LBM is quite a chore. As well, it is harder to gain back what you lose. P-funk I highly respect your opinion, and I think I will take your advice next time I cut, which probably won't be until summer. Squat/Deadlift ME: Good Mornings 85 x 3 105 x 3 125 x 3 145 x 3 165 x 1 185 x 1 215 x 1 225 x 1 GHRs 80 x 12 80 x 12 80 x 12 Decline Situps 65 x 8 65 x 8 65 x 6 SLDLs 285 x 6 285 x 6 285 x 6 Leg Press Calf Raises 490 x 10 490 x 10 490 x 10 Really brutal workout today. Good mornings actually felt fairly good to hit a 1RM with. I will be doing them again next week for ME day, but trying for 235 and 245. I started conservatively because I have never gone quite this heavy on good mornings before, and the potential for injury is high. Accessory work is still looking great and is improving steadily. I actually did my decline situps on a slightly steeper incline today, yet again. I was once again very happy that I was able to continue using the same weight without too much of a less in repetitions. Last week I used their decline bench press. This week I used the adjustable stand alone bench. I will be sticking with it from now on. So, expect to see me finish off 8 reps or more on all 3 sets next week, as I will be keeping the level of decline the same. Meal1 4 egg whites, 1 egg, 1/2 cup flax cereal, 1/2 cup 2% milk, 8oz apple juice, 20G brewer's yeast, multivitamin/mineral, vitamin C Meal2 - PWO 2 scoops whey protein, 1 cup oats Meal3 2 scoops milk protein, 2 TBSP PB, 2 slices WW bread, cucumber Meal4 trioplex bar Meal5 can tuna, 2oz chicken breast, 2 TBSP safflower mayo, 1 1/2 WW pita, celery Meal6 tin sardines, 3oz chicken breast, 6oz sweet potato, 20G flax seed & olive oil dressing, lettuce, tomato Meal7 1 cup 2% cottage cheese, 2 TBSP PB
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11-23-2004, 03:12 AM	#217
DeadBolt MP Minister of Pain! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ocean County NJ Posts: 7,342	Awsome w/o man...your a beast lol. Yea I tried assisted pullups but it never worked...I never improved on them. Then I started pullups with a spotter and my shoulder just started to kill me. I may try something else down the road.
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11-23-2004, 10:44 AM	#219
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	DeadBolt Eh, I wouldn't worry about it too much. You can just do pulldowns instead. If you exacerbate an injury by doing pullups, or are potentially creating one, then it's not worth it. You may also want to consider pullovers if you haven't already. BulkMeUp It is my opinion that you don't need to change your routine at all if you are progressing in strength. If you stay at the same workload two weeks in a row on an exercise, then I suggest changing that exercise. Always strive to increase your workload by at least 1 repetition every workout. Until that time comes, I see no reason to arbitrarily change. I change frequently because I like to do a variety of exercises, but I do keep some of the same core lifts. For example, I almost always do SLDLs for my hamstrings. I love the exercise, and as you can see by my journal, I have been progressing steadily. I see absolutely no reason to change this lift. By the way, what kind of differences have you noticed with creatine? I have never used it, and I don't plan to, but I'm just curious.
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11-23-2004, 02:37 PM	#221
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I just bought a new tub of creatine and L-Glutamine yesterday... Was 70.00 bucks But those are 2 things I definately believe in.
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11-23-2004, 03:17 PM	#223
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	At least creatine is cheap. Wish L-Glutamine was as cheap as creatine is.
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11-23-2004, 11:32 PM	#224
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	I can't afford all those supplements. I take a multi-vitamin/mineral, time release vitamin C, whey protein, and egg or milk protein. That costs enough as it is.
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11-24-2004, 12:49 AM	#225
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	I hear ya Cow... But knowing that my stuff is going for my health I usually will bend the budget just a bit further. Otherwise I would a lot of this stuff up too.
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11-24-2004, 08:28 AM	#226
DeadBolt MP Minister of Pain! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ocean County NJ Posts: 7,342	Cow i hear ya on the budget...I am pretty broke now so I don't take much. But when I do have a little extra cash the creatine is well worth the splurge for me.
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11-24-2004, 08:52 AM	#227
BulkMeUp ..is bulking up! Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cana-dah Posts: 5,317	Creatine i shall buy again.. It is cheap. But Glutamine, i am not sure if i want to splurge on it, even though it is recommended.

11-24-2004, 10:47 AM	#228
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Well when you think actually how many days 1 tub will serve you it seems more affordable. If you look at it as a whole it sounds more expensive.
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11-24-2004, 10:50 AM	#229
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	Well, beyond the budget, creatine is against my philosophy. For a long time, I didn't even accept protein supplements or bars. However, it is damned near impossible to get my caloric needs while going to school and working full time out of state without a quick way to supplement my protein. I will never take creatine. I don't want anything that helps increase muscle mass and/or strength besides the proper nutrients and training regimen.
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11-24-2004, 10:54 AM	#230
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	Just to let you know, I forgot to post my diet yesterday. It was an off day, as it was the one day I have school and work both. I ate the standard diet almost, except I ate a turkey & eggplant dip sub at work in place of the protein bar (I forgot it), and I passed out after my milk and whey snack. I didn't eat the PB and cottage cheese meal. I was so beat; I work at the airport, and it was crazy busy for Thanksgiving. All the planes were filled to the brim, everyone brought a lot of bags, and the bags were really heavy. As well, there were several delays and swaps between airplanes. My finger picked up a lot of extra flights, so I basically didn't get to even take a breather for about 6 hours straight. It was pretty ridiculous. Anyway, I slept 9.5 hours last night, so that made up for it.
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11-24-2004, 10:56 AM	#231
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	CowPimp, new evidence I read states that creatine is even recommended for older people.. As for budget, it is dirt cheap for creatine. It doesn't increase your muscle mass, it moves water into your muscles to give the illusion of bigger muscle mass.
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