soxmuscle: heavy duty HIT

simbh · 12-07-2004, 07:14 PM

Sox , I wouldnt waste my money on tri creatine if I were you , you said you already respond well to it ... Just look at the price of v-12 turbo compared to monohydrate .. compare the quantity .

Premier , Ive read countless studies that show the benefits of glutamine , not to mention that all the personnal trainers Ive asked said the same thing. I belive it does not work for everyone , but if it works for you , it is benefic. Oh ya , and the personnal trainers had no interrest in getting me to buy glutamine. Anyways , you always have to be stubborn do you premier , I was just making a comparaision and still you want to go into that subject , you know we dont agree , so why even bother ? Its not like I was saying to sox to try glutamine , it was just a for comparing .

Anyways sox , buy tricreatine if you want but I think your blowing your money away for the sole reason that you respond well to monohydrate alone. Youll get a lot more bang for you bux with monohydrate. Do a bit of searching on that is my opinion , because as you can see premier can have a bias opinion. Get your own facts and make a good decision from that. Oh ya , check the supplements sections a few pages back , youll see a lot of threads on a similar topic (creatine , which one to use) check out the poll and of course the rest of the net

See ya.

PreMier · 12-07-2004, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simbh

Premier , Ive read countless studies that show the benefits of glutamine.

Anyways sox , buy tricreatine if you want but I think your blowing your money away for the sole reason that you respond well to monohydrate alone. Youll get a lot more bang for you bux with monohydrate. Do a bit of searching on that is my opinion , because as you can see premier can have a bias opinion. Get your own facts and make a good decision from that.

See ya.

Show me some. You can PM them to me.

Your right, I said to get monohydrate.. I mentioned swole, because the flavor was awesome, and it gives you a 'pump'.
How am I bias? I dont have an unreasoned judgement. I go by scientific facts, and the facts are glutamine is worthless. I can provide articles if needed. I suggest we take this to PM

simbh · 12-07-2004, 07:37 PM

Ya , no prob man ... Ive red articles again by scientific facts that prove otherwise , I dont have them in my favorites , but it would be my pleasure to make a little search , tonight I dont have time for that , as I must continue to study for an exam tomorrow , but ya , just pm me your articles and Ill pm you mine asap.

soxmuscle · 12-07-2004, 11:18 PM

Tuesday, December 7th 2004

Back:

Weighted Pull-ups:
10 x 30 + 10 negatives

Barbell Row:
15 x 155
14 x 145
15 x 135

Lat Pulldown (machine):
10 x 150 + 8 x 137.5
12 x 215 (close grip)

Cable Pull Row (machine):
12 x 172.5
14 x 165 + 8 x 142.5

Dumbell Bent Over Row:
15 x 65
15 x 55

Another solid back day although I now am 100% positive that I was training improperly all of last year, which is definitly dissapointing.

Each week I am just about dead come my back day leaving my shoulders out to dry and then being primed and ready for the bicep and tricep day.

I still am going to maintain the five days per week routine because I think adding creatine will be exactly what I need. I am real excited for that.

As for today, my lower back was so sore from the deadlifts on sunday that I had trouble doing the bent over rows to perfection which is why I did three sets of them.

I had some good dumbell bent over rows, and I felt a real good squeeze when i supersetted with the light on the cable row machine. Some good pullups and negatives as well.

Man am I siked to start taking creatine again. I have to have that attitude because as you may or may not know, I was sort of scared for health purposes. When I experienced with creatine last year, my workouts were excellent, now that I am doing some even more intense workouts, I am real pumped up.

Anyways, thanks for stopping by.

soxmuscle · 12-08-2004, 09:39 PM

Wednesday, December 8th 2004

Shoulders & Traps

Upright Rows:
15 x 80
14 x 90

Shoulder Press:
8 x 40 lb dumbell
6 x 45 " "

Standing Military Press:
8 x 80
6 x 85

Shoulder Shrugs:
20 x 155
20 x 165

Lateral Raise (Machine):
8 x 70 + 4
9 x 65 + 4

Burnout Smith Machine Overhead Press, Negatives Only:
8 x 135
10 x 125

My back and just all around whole body was so sore today, that I cut out my cleans altogether. I had a real tough day because of that soreness, a real let down considering the surprise I am about to tell you.

I was so excited to hop back on creatine that I just started using the jug I used last year, this time. I was so siked prior to my workout, I thought nothing could drag my down.

The first dumbell I picked up I could already feel the soreness kick in, and after the first set I could feel the creatine kick in which was good besides the fact I suddenly became insanely thirsty.

I don't think I am overtraining because I am not working anything that is sore, its more so the soreness in other muscles is effecting the effectiveness of the other workouts.

I did drop some weight in a few of my lifts, so I might actually be overtraining which sucks.

I have my bicep/tricep day tommorow

PreMier · 12-08-2004, 09:51 PM

How long haev you been on this split? Have you thought about switching it up?

soxmuscle · 12-08-2004, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

How long haev you been on this split? Have you thought about switching it up?

I have been on a five day split for over a year probably. In that time I have switched days countless times.

I definitly have thought about it. Today and some other below average workouts in the past have got me thinking aswell.

How often do you workout per week?

PreMier · 12-08-2004, 10:36 PM

It was 5 days a week. Mon/tues/wed/fri/sat. And sometimes I would take an extra day if I felt I needed it. But I was on a push/pull split.(chest/shoulder/tri - back/rhomboid/bi - legs)

soxmuscle · 12-08-2004, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

It was 5 days a week. Mon/tues/wed/fri/sat. And sometimes I would take an extra day if I felt I needed it. But I was on a push/pull split.(chest/shoulder/tri - back/rhomboid/bi - legs)

Interesting routine. Did you create it yourself?

PreMier · 12-08-2004, 10:49 PM

Its just a basic push/pull split. I got it from a friend, but multiple people here use it. Or they will switch bi's with tri's, so they are hit more than once a week.

I feel I grow more hitting multiple parts a day. You just need to lower the volume.

soxmuscle · 12-08-2004, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

Its just a basic push/pull split. I got it from a friend, but multiple people here use it. Or they will switch bi's with tri's, so they are hit more than once a week.

I feel I grow more hitting multiple parts a day. You just need to lower the volume.

My volume is quite low. I don't think that is my problem.

PreMier · 12-08-2004, 11:32 PM

You have been doing the same split for a year. That might be it

soxmuscle · 12-08-2004, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

You have been doing the same split for a year. That might be it

I have been using a five day format for over a year, yes. At one time I was in the gym for three-plus hours, now I am there for an hour tops. I have changed up the days and everything.

Is that not enough?

PreMier · 12-08-2004, 11:47 PM

Im not talking just about the days.. I am talking about the routine. You should switch it every 8 weeks or sooner.

**Jodi** · 12-08-2004, 11:48 PM

Isn't it late there in beantown to be awake still on a school night?

Listen to Jake - a year is too long to be on the same split. IMO you should change it up every few months.

**CowPimp** · 12-08-2004, 11:52 PM

Nonsense. What does an arbitrary measure of time have to do with how frequently someone should change their split? Don't change it until results stagnate. You're still gaining. Why change your routine?

soxmuscle · 12-08-2004, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

Isn't it late there in beantown to be awake still on a school night?

Listen to Jake - a year is too long to be on the same split. IMO you should change it up every few months.

Late is an understatement.

I would love to change it around, but I thought the only necessary change was to switch up your days and possibly change some excercises. No?

soxmuscle · 12-08-2004, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Nonsense. What does an arbitrary measure of time have to do with how frequently someone should change their split? Don't change it until results stagnate. You're still gaining. Why change your routine?

I agree, although I am still confused regarding the phrase "changing your routine."

PreMier · 12-09-2004, 12:00 AM

Changing your routine.. your lifting one bodypart per day. That isnt that great of a split, or very effective IMO. Look into something more diverse, there is push/pull, westside, max ot, etc. Or come up with your own.

I change mine, even when results dont stagnate. Dont you get sick of doing the same shit over, and over? Do what you want.. I am only trying to help, by offering suggestions.

**Jodi** · 12-09-2004, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Nonsense. What does an arbitrary measure of time have to do with how frequently someone should change their split? Don't change it until results stagnate. You're still gaining. Why change your routine?

Sheer boredome (sp?), stimulation, rejuvination, shock and starting a new routine is always exciting and challenging. Come on, we are BB's and we all love a challenge

soxmuscle · 12-09-2004, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

Changing your routine.. your lifting one bodypart per day. That isnt that great of a split, or very effective IMO. Look into something more diverse, there is push/pull, westside, max ot, etc. Or come up with your own.

I change mine, even when results dont stagnate. Dont you get sick of doing the same shit over, and over?

I've done high volume, I just recently switched to an HIT based routine. Is that not change enough?

**CowPimp** · 12-09-2004, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PreMier

Changing your routine.. your lifting one bodypart per day. That isnt that great of a split, or very effective IMO. Look into something more diverse, there is push/pull, westside, max ot, etc. Or come up with your own.

I change mine, even when results dont stagnate. Dont you get sick of doing the same shit over, and over? Do what you want.. I am only trying to help, by offering suggestions.

It just doesn't sound like he wants to change his routine. I change my routine periodically to keep things interesting, but it certainly isn't necessary to see results. That was my point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jodi

Sheer boredome (sp?), stimulation, rejuvination, shock and starting a new routine is always exciting and challenging. Come on, we are BB's and we all love a challenge

Agreed. However, as I said, it just doesn't sound to me like he wants to change his routine right now. As well, he did just make a fairly drastic change by moving from super high volume to high intensity.

soxmuscle · 12-09-2004, 06:47 PM

Monday, December 9th 2004

Biceps & Triceps:

E-Z Bar Curls:
16 x 85
9 x 90

Hammer Curls:
10 x 45 lb dumbells
12 x 40 lb dumbells

Dips:
25 lbs x 12
25 lbs x 10 + 10 negatives

Cable Pushdowns:
20 x 100
15 x 110

Skullcrushers (super set..ted with standing barbell tricep extensions):
8 x 50
7 x 50 + 4 x 40

Solid workout today. I was real sore as of last night and was seriously considering switching todays workout to saturday but I was able to sneak it in this morning. It had to be the creatine that did it, because I was dead.

My biceps were the real sore part, as there was no soreness in my triceps. I cut out two sets from my bicep portion, and did an even total of ten sets altogether.

I hit my triceps real hard today. I took the advice and kept my elbows real close as I believe Flex recommended. My tris were dieing, which was great to see.

Day 2 of creatine went well although I am still unsure of the correct dose to take. I will copy my post from the supplement thread upon completion and post it here aswell.

Good bicep sets, great tricep sets. A solid end to the week. I am very seriously considering creating a four day split as opposed to the five days I currently am doing after I am off the creatine in a few weeks.

Over thanksgiving, I took that thursday off, and that friday morning was one of the best workouts I've had since switching to HIT.

I also might just change the days I work if thats possible to wednesday and saturday and instead workout on fridays. We'll see, I have some big decisions to make in the not so distant future.

soxmuscle · 12-09-2004, 06:51 PM

I may have found out why I responded well to creatine monohydrate when I traded last year, and that is because I used a table spoon as opposed to the recommended "heaping teaspoon."

Yes, I know, Im an idiot, I mixed up the "p" and the "b."

All I want to know before I head off to the gym here shortly, and I'll be searching for it immediately after posting this, but how much protein do you take?

Last year I took a table spoon before working out, and one table spoon after working out.

Yesterday, I took a teaspoon before working out, and one teaspoon after working out.

How much do you guys take?

Duncans Donuts · 12-09-2004, 07:05 PM

I take 10 grams a day

12-07-2004, 07:14 PM	#121
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	Sox , I wouldnt waste my money on tri creatine if I were you , you said you already respond well to it ... Just look at the price of v-12 turbo compared to monohydrate .. compare the quantity . Premier , Ive read countless studies that show the benefits of glutamine , not to mention that all the personnal trainers Ive asked said the same thing. I belive it does not work for everyone , but if it works for you , it is benefic. Oh ya , and the personnal trainers had no interrest in getting me to buy glutamine. Anyways , you always have to be stubborn do you premier , I was just making a comparaision and still you want to go into that subject , you know we dont agree , so why even bother ? Its not like I was saying to sox to try glutamine , it was just a for comparing . Anyways sox , buy tricreatine if you want but I think your blowing your money away for the sole reason that you respond well to monohydrate alone. Youll get a lot more bang for you bux with monohydrate. Do a bit of searching on that is my opinion , because as you can see premier can have a bias opinion. Get your own facts and make a good decision from that. Oh ya , check the supplements sections a few pages back , youll see a lot of threads on a similar topic (creatine , which one to use) check out the poll and of course the rest of the net See ya.
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12-07-2004, 07:37 PM	#123
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	Ya , no prob man ... Ive red articles again by scientific facts that prove otherwise , I dont have them in my favorites , but it would be my pleasure to make a little search , tonight I dont have time for that , as I must continue to study for an exam tomorrow , but ya , just pm me your articles and Ill pm you mine asap.
	When a goal is reached comes satisfaction . You're accomplished as a person when you surpass those goals .

12-07-2004, 11:18 PM	#124
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 8,549 Photos: 10	Tuesday, December 7th 2004 Back: Weighted Pull-ups: 10 x 30 + 10 negatives Barbell Row: 15 x 155 14 x 145 15 x 135 Lat Pulldown (machine): 10 x 150 + 8 x 137.5 12 x 215 (close grip) Cable Pull Row (machine): 12 x 172.5 14 x 165 + 8 x 142.5 Dumbell Bent Over Row: 15 x 65 15 x 55 Another solid back day although I now am 100% positive that I was training improperly all of last year, which is definitly dissapointing. Each week I am just about dead come my back day leaving my shoulders out to dry and then being primed and ready for the bicep and tricep day. I still am going to maintain the five days per week routine because I think adding creatine will be exactly what I need. I am real excited for that. As for today, my lower back was so sore from the deadlifts on sunday that I had trouble doing the bent over rows to perfection which is why I did three sets of them. I had some good dumbell bent over rows, and I felt a real good squeeze when i supersetted with the light on the cable row machine. Some good pullups and negatives as well. Man am I siked to start taking creatine again. I have to have that attitude because as you may or may not know, I was sort of scared for health purposes. When I experienced with creatine last year, my workouts were excellent, now that I am doing some even more intense workouts, I am real pumped up. Anyways, thanks for stopping by.
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12-08-2004, 09:39 PM	#125
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 8,549 Photos: 10	Wednesday, December 8th 2004 Shoulders & Traps Upright Rows: 15 x 80 14 x 90 Shoulder Press: 8 x 40 lb dumbell 6 x 45 " " Standing Military Press: 8 x 80 6 x 85 Shoulder Shrugs: 20 x 155 20 x 165 Lateral Raise (Machine): 8 x 70 + 4 9 x 65 + 4 Burnout Smith Machine Overhead Press, Negatives Only: 8 x 135 10 x 125 My back and just all around whole body was so sore today, that I cut out my cleans altogether. I had a real tough day because of that soreness, a real let down considering the surprise I am about to tell you. I was so excited to hop back on creatine that I just started using the jug I used last year, this time. I was so siked prior to my workout, I thought nothing could drag my down. The first dumbell I picked up I could already feel the soreness kick in, and after the first set I could feel the creatine kick in which was good besides the fact I suddenly became insanely thirsty. I don't think I am overtraining because I am not working anything that is sore, its more so the soreness in other muscles is effecting the effectiveness of the other workouts. I did drop some weight in a few of my lifts, so I might actually be overtraining which sucks. I have my bicep/tricep day tommorow
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12-08-2004, 09:51 PM	#126
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,300 Photos: 2	How long haev you been on this split? Have you thought about switching it up?
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12-08-2004, 10:36 PM	#128
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,300 Photos: 2	It was 5 days a week. Mon/tues/wed/fri/sat. And sometimes I would take an extra day if I felt I needed it. But I was on a push/pull split.(chest/shoulder/tri - back/rhomboid/bi - legs)
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12-08-2004, 10:49 PM	#130
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,300 Photos: 2	Its just a basic push/pull split. I got it from a friend, but multiple people here use it. Or they will switch bi's with tri's, so they are hit more than once a week. I feel I grow more hitting multiple parts a day. You just need to lower the volume.
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

12-08-2004, 11:32 PM	#132
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,300 Photos: 2	You have been doing the same split for a year. That might be it
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12-08-2004, 11:47 PM	#134
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,300 Photos: 2	Im not talking just about the days.. I am talking about the routine. You should switch it every 8 weeks or sooner.
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12-08-2004, 11:48 PM	#135
Jodi Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,259 Photos: 1	Isn't it late there in beantown to be awake still on a school night? Listen to Jake - a year is too long to be on the same split. IMO you should change it up every few months.
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12-08-2004, 11:52 PM	#136
CowPimp Fueled by Testosterone Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 15,428	Nonsense. What does an arbitrary measure of time have to do with how frequently someone should change their split? Don't change it until results stagnate. You're still gaining. Why change your routine?
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12-09-2004, 12:00 AM	#139
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,300 Photos: 2	Changing your routine.. your lifting one bodypart per day. That isnt that great of a split, or very effective IMO. Look into something more diverse, there is push/pull, westside, max ot, etc. Or come up with your own. I change mine, even when results dont stagnate. Dont you get sick of doing the same shit over, and over? Do what you want.. I am only trying to help, by offering suggestions.
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

12-09-2004, 06:47 PM	#143
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 8,549 Photos: 10	Monday, December 9th 2004 Biceps & Triceps: E-Z Bar Curls: 16 x 85 9 x 90 Hammer Curls: 10 x 45 lb dumbells 12 x 40 lb dumbells Dips: 25 lbs x 12 25 lbs x 10 + 10 negatives Cable Pushdowns: 20 x 100 15 x 110 Skullcrushers (super set..ted with standing barbell tricep extensions): 8 x 50 7 x 50 + 4 x 40 Solid workout today. I was real sore as of last night and was seriously considering switching todays workout to saturday but I was able to sneak it in this morning. It had to be the creatine that did it, because I was dead. My biceps were the real sore part, as there was no soreness in my triceps. I cut out two sets from my bicep portion, and did an even total of ten sets altogether. I hit my triceps real hard today. I took the advice and kept my elbows real close as I believe Flex recommended. My tris were dieing, which was great to see. Day 2 of creatine went well although I am still unsure of the correct dose to take. I will copy my post from the supplement thread upon completion and post it here aswell. Good bicep sets, great tricep sets. A solid end to the week. I am very seriously considering creating a four day split as opposed to the five days I currently am doing after I am off the creatine in a few weeks. Over thanksgiving, I took that thursday off, and that friday morning was one of the best workouts I've had since switching to HIT. I also might just change the days I work if thats possible to wednesday and saturday and instead workout on fridays. We'll see, I have some big decisions to make in the not so distant future.
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12-09-2004, 06:51 PM	#144
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 8,549 Photos: 10	I may have found out why I responded well to creatine monohydrate when I traded last year, and that is because I used a table spoon as opposed to the recommended "heaping teaspoon." Yes, I know, Im an idiot, I mixed up the "p" and the "b." All I want to know before I head off to the gym here shortly, and I'll be searching for it immediately after posting this, but how much protein do you take? Last year I took a table spoon before working out, and one table spoon after working out. Yesterday, I took a teaspoon before working out, and one teaspoon after working out. How much do you guys take?
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12-09-2004, 07:05 PM	#145
Duncans Donuts Stay puffed, baby. Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: CA Posts: 2,774 Photos: 2	I take 10 grams a day
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