PurduePower's First AAS Cycle

redspy · 01-24-2005, 01:55 PM

The injection site sounds fine. Are you using 1.5" pins for glute shots?

Purdue Power · 01-24-2005, 03:04 PM

Ya, they are 1 1/2in. The site is pretty sore today, but it is due to a lot of movement while I was trying to push the oil through. There isn't any bruising, just dull soreness. I am looking forward to my next injection. What size should I use for quads and delts?

**Pirate!** · 01-24-2005, 03:41 PM

You should push the needle all the way in. I like 1" for delts, quads, and glutes. I don't see the need for longer ones except for people with more fat. Shorter ones for calfs, pecs, traps etc. I doubt you are brave enough for traps yet. I haven't tried that. I heat it enough to move it through a 25 g, but glutes shots would still be shaky if I did them. I gave my dad a shot yesterday with a 23 g (not heated) in the glute with no problem at all, but I think cyp is less viscous than sus. I'd rather use warm oil and take 25 seconds than use a 23 gauge and take 10-15 seconds.

soxmuscle · 01-24-2005, 04:14 PM

PFH -- You, and your dad are doing cycles together?

Purdue Power · 01-24-2005, 05:35 PM

Isn't that sweet??

redspy · 01-24-2005, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

PFH -- You, and your dad are doing cycles together?

His Dad's on medically approved HRT.

Cardinal · 01-24-2005, 08:04 PM

Wow! That makes it so much safer to run AAS cycles since his dad has a prescription. If ever it were found on a search of the house or by accident, guess who could claim it and not get in any trouble over it?

**Pirate!** · 01-24-2005, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Wow! That makes it so much safer to run AAS cycles since his dad has a prescription. If ever it were found on a search of the house or by accident, guess who could claim it and not get in any trouble over it?

Sounds good, until you try to explain the orals and other stuff.

As redspy said, my dad is on HRT. How do you think I learned how to shoot? Its as simple as brushing my teeth. Did it with one hand the other day while talking on the phone. Can't brush your teeth and do that.

Purdue Power · 01-24-2005, 10:05 PM

I am gradually getting my appetite up enough to be bulking. I am throwing grilled PB sandwiches in a couple times a day and taking in plenty of carbs with every meal instead of every 2 or 3 meals. My lifts have been barely better than normal so far. It is probably just a mental thing. The dbol should kick in full force within the next few days. Fun ride from that point. My legs are sore as hell from my lift that I just got back from. I think I strained my hamstring. It feels high enough that it might be partly my groin too. Nothing too bad, though.

simbh · 01-24-2005, 10:09 PM

Good luck dude ... can't wait to see how you do.

I sure am liking my 1-ad ... Got about 4 pounds in a week. If I can get that in a week , you can get at least a good 10 with debol.

Purdue Power · 01-25-2005, 08:26 AM

My injection site is worse today. It hurts like hell. Still no bruising, but it hurts to sit on and it hurts when I walk or when my glutes flex to stand up. Please tell me that this is only due to the moving around of the needle. I hope this isn't an abcess, if I know correctly what an abcess is. There isn't a noticible swell until I flex my ass and then a small part shows. I looks like a small swollen mound. Is it possible to have an abcess on the first injection in that spot?

Purdue Power · 01-25-2005, 10:50 AM

I just talked to a friend of mine on the phone and descibed what was going on. He said that I just got a fever in the site and that I will be fine. I knew I was being paranoid, but I just wanted to make sure. I was feeling light headed this morning at the thought of having to go to the doctor for it.

redspy · 01-25-2005, 01:34 PM

You'll be fine. Take an OTC anti-inflammatory and it should help reduce the swelling and ease the pain. If it gets worst you'll have to go to the doc and get some antibiotics.

Did you read DG's sticky on causes of injection pain?

Cardinal · 01-25-2005, 01:44 PM

I figured you probably didn't have an absess on the very first shot. Noone has such crappy luck. If you don't already maybe make a point to get the oil nice and hot before injection, making sure to take plenty of time to massage the area afterwards. Shoot slowly as all hell. I wouldn't guess so many experienced juicers rub on their own ass if it doesn't help quite a bit with the pain.

Hopefully you won't get as bad of a reaction as I have several times now as your cycle progresses.

Purdue Power · 01-26-2005, 08:23 AM

Well, the day is already off to a bad start. My ass is still hurting and still has the knot. And worse than that, while I was working last night I had someone bring me a triple from Wendy's. That order apparantly came with some mild food poisoning. I am headed back to bed. I'm not going to classes, but you bet your ass I am going to the gym tonight.

Purdue Power · 01-26-2005, 01:44 PM

I can't even walk down the hallway from the living room to my bedroom without throwing up. I tried getting down a shake with just the powder, but the walk to my bedroom brought that back up. I feel so helpless.

vellanator · 01-26-2005, 01:56 PM

Rough luck bro...rest up.

simbh · 01-26-2005, 03:43 PM

While your at it , why don't you watch supersize me ... You'll never eat fast food again. With that food poisoning in mind , you'll fear the fast food

J/k Hope you get better dude. I think it would be better to lay off the gym for tonight.

redspy · 01-26-2005, 05:23 PM

Hang in there bro, you'll be back to your normal self soon.

Purdue Power · 01-26-2005, 07:24 PM

I just got back from the ER. I was extremely dehydrated and I couldn't even keep water down. They put me on and IV and gave me some stuff for nausea and headache. I am doing better now, but still feel drained. They said that it may not be food poisoning, but just a reaction to all the grease since my body isn't used to it. I am gonna eat my first meal hear in a little while and hope it stays down. A smaller bowl of oatmeal with some protein and honey.

On a positive note, my workout yesterday went very well. We did chest and the last few reps of each set were more in control. Where I would have ususally given out at the tiring point, I was able to push through 2 or 3 more reps.

I told my lifting partner about me starting my cycle. She was very dissapointed in me. She told me that it wasn't worth it and that I have no idea what adverse effects it could have on me, personally. She has been around steroids and people that do them for a long time, so these aren't uneducated things that she was telling me. Here is my thinking though: I did fine through the M1T cycle, and that is so much harsher on the body than what Sust is. So if I take all of the precautions like I did with the M1T, which I am with this cycle too, I will be fine. And I have researched about it for a long time, so I know what I am doing and what I am getting into.

Luke9583 · 01-26-2005, 07:30 PM

well that sucks man

tryintogetbig · 01-26-2005, 09:39 PM

Sorry to hear she did not take it well. Just be smart about it and you will be fine. The doctors at the E.R. said the sickness was fom the grease?? I know the first time i took 1-ad & 4-ad , both were capsules i got sick as hell by the 2 or 3rd day, doctor said it was a reaction to the increased Test. Since then i have done a couple other cycles of PH/PS and have been fine. Just a thought though. Hope you can get back to eating right real soon!

Purdue Power · 01-27-2005, 09:15 AM

I have done a few ph cycles, and never got anything like this. I don't really feel like my test levels are that high yet. I could definately tell they were high from the 4Derm on my M1T cycle, but I guess it is still a possibility.

I just ate a bowl of oatmeal with some whey and honey. I couldn't finish my bowl last night, but I made it through the one this morning. I still don't feel well enough to walk to my classes, so I am gonna stay in again. The ER nurse said that I needed to take today off anyways. I have the slip from the ER, so my professors have to excuse me.

Today is supposed to be my 2nd injection. I think I am going to hit my quads for this and the next injection so I can get a little more skilled at it. If I hit one of my glutes again anytime soon, I will probably to the same that I did last time(scraping too much from moving the needle). I didn't take any dbol yesterday, but I just took some a couple minutes ago. I might have to get some B12 to jump start my appetite. I know it is going to be a few days before I can eat the same portions that I did before. After a day of nothing in my stomach, I am sure that is shrank considerably.

Purdue Power · 01-27-2005, 11:56 AM

I was hungry less that two hours after my oatmeal. Hopefully my appetite will be able to get me to eat at least every 3 hours. I am going to go ahead with my second injection sometime today. I am going to hit my right quad. Hopefully I can keep the needle a little steadier this time.

I am still feeling really drained and am downing the water. The blood tests at the ER showed that my electrolytes were still high, so that isn't a problem. I got about 9 or 10 hours of sleep last night, so I should be caught up on that. I might take a nap later today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tryintogetbig

I know the first time i took 1-ad & 4-ad , both were capsules i got sick as hell by the 2 or 3rd day, doctor said it was a reaction to the increased Test. Since then i have done a couple other cycles of PH/PS and have been fine.

Did you get better once your body got used to the increased test on that cycle, or did you stop your cycle after that happened?

simbh · 01-27-2005, 12:49 PM

Sorry to hear that about your lifting partner bro . Seems your doing better from that virus or grease eating disorder thing. Hang on , and good luck with the rest of your cycle ... Kind of a bad coincidence that it happens when you start your aas cycle.

Purdue Power · 01-27-2005, 03:27 PM

I just did my 2nd injection. I hit my right quad this time. Soooo much easier than hitting my glute. I didn't even need to warm the oil. I remembered to pull back the plunger to check for aspiration first this time. The oil took a little while to push through, but nothing major. Just a few drops worth of blood after I pulled out. I might go back to my glutes after I hit my other quad and then my delts....after I get some more practice.

My appetite still isn't even close to desirable. I had a chicken breast at about 1:30, and I have had a constant gut churn ever since.

**Pirate!** · 01-27-2005, 04:57 PM

I don't know why it didn't go through, but I tried to make a post earlier today. Two things:
1) I'd stop the juice and wait a few more weeks (nolva in the meantime). I know you won't do this, though.
2) My sustanon doesn't hurt at all. Everytime I read posts of people having the pain and knot that you speak of, it is because they got it from some bath tub homebrew operation. Pharm grade sus isn't cheap, but its better than the alternative.
I hope you recovery swiftly, bro.

01-24-2005, 01:55 PM	#121
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	The injection site sounds fine. Are you using 1.5" pins for glute shots?
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01-24-2005, 03:04 PM	#122
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Ya, they are 1 1/2in. The site is pretty sore today, but it is due to a lot of movement while I was trying to push the oil through. There isn't any bruising, just dull soreness. I am looking forward to my next injection. What size should I use for quads and delts?
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

01-24-2005, 04:14 PM	#124
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01-24-2005, 05:35 PM	#125
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Isn't that sweet??
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

01-24-2005, 10:05 PM	#129
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I am gradually getting my appetite up enough to be bulking. I am throwing grilled PB sandwiches in a couple times a day and taking in plenty of carbs with every meal instead of every 2 or 3 meals. My lifts have been barely better than normal so far. It is probably just a mental thing. The dbol should kick in full force within the next few days. Fun ride from that point. My legs are sore as hell from my lift that I just got back from. I think I strained my hamstring. It feels high enough that it might be partly my groin too. Nothing too bad, though.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

01-24-2005, 08:04 PM	#127
Cardinal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,009	Wow! That makes it so much safer to run AAS cycles since his dad has a prescription. If ever it were found on a search of the house or by accident, guess who could claim it and not get in any trouble over it?

01-24-2005, 10:09 PM	#130
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	Good luck dude ... can't wait to see how you do. I sure am liking my 1-ad ... Got about 4 pounds in a week. If I can get that in a week , you can get at least a good 10 with debol.
	When a goal is reached comes satisfaction . You're accomplished as a person when you surpass those goals .

01-25-2005, 08:26 AM	#131
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	My injection site is worse today. It hurts like hell. Still no bruising, but it hurts to sit on and it hurts when I walk or when my glutes flex to stand up. Please tell me that this is only due to the moving around of the needle. I hope this isn't an abcess, if I know correctly what an abcess is. There isn't a noticible swell until I flex my ass and then a small part shows. I looks like a small swollen mound. Is it possible to have an abcess on the first injection in that spot? Last edited by Purdue Power : 01-25-2005 at 08:53 AM.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

01-25-2005, 10:50 AM	#132
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I just talked to a friend of mine on the phone and descibed what was going on. He said that I just got a fever in the site and that I will be fine. I knew I was being paranoid, but I just wanted to make sure. I was feeling light headed this morning at the thought of having to go to the doctor for it.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

01-25-2005, 01:34 PM	#133
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	You'll be fine. Take an OTC anti-inflammatory and it should help reduce the swelling and ease the pain. If it gets worst you'll have to go to the doc and get some antibiotics. Did you read DG's sticky on causes of injection pain?
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01-25-2005, 01:44 PM	#134
Cardinal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,009	I figured you probably didn't have an absess on the very first shot. Noone has such crappy luck. If you don't already maybe make a point to get the oil nice and hot before injection, making sure to take plenty of time to massage the area afterwards. Shoot slowly as all hell. I wouldn't guess so many experienced juicers rub on their own ass if it doesn't help quite a bit with the pain. Hopefully you won't get as bad of a reaction as I have several times now as your cycle progresses.

01-26-2005, 08:23 AM	#135
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Well, the day is already off to a bad start. My ass is still hurting and still has the knot. And worse than that, while I was working last night I had someone bring me a triple from Wendy's. That order apparantly came with some mild food poisoning. I am headed back to bed. I'm not going to classes, but you bet your ass I am going to the gym tonight.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

01-26-2005, 01:44 PM	#136
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I can't even walk down the hallway from the living room to my bedroom without throwing up. I tried getting down a shake with just the powder, but the walk to my bedroom brought that back up. I feel so helpless.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

01-26-2005, 01:56 PM	#137
vellanator Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 171	Rough luck bro...rest up.
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01-26-2005, 03:43 PM	#138
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	While your at it , why don't you watch supersize me ... You'll never eat fast food again. With that food poisoning in mind , you'll fear the fast food J/k Hope you get better dude. I think it would be better to lay off the gym for tonight.
	When a goal is reached comes satisfaction . You're accomplished as a person when you surpass those goals .

01-26-2005, 05:23 PM	#139
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Hang in there bro, you'll be back to your normal self soon.
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01-26-2005, 07:24 PM	#140
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I just got back from the ER. I was extremely dehydrated and I couldn't even keep water down. They put me on and IV and gave me some stuff for nausea and headache. I am doing better now, but still feel drained. They said that it may not be food poisoning, but just a reaction to all the grease since my body isn't used to it. I am gonna eat my first meal hear in a little while and hope it stays down. A smaller bowl of oatmeal with some protein and honey. On a positive note, my workout yesterday went very well. We did chest and the last few reps of each set were more in control. Where I would have ususally given out at the tiring point, I was able to push through 2 or 3 more reps. I told my lifting partner about me starting my cycle. She was very dissapointed in me. She told me that it wasn't worth it and that I have no idea what adverse effects it could have on me, personally. She has been around steroids and people that do them for a long time, so these aren't uneducated things that she was telling me. Here is my thinking though: I did fine through the M1T cycle, and that is so much harsher on the body than what Sust is. So if I take all of the precautions like I did with the M1T, which I am with this cycle too, I will be fine. And I have researched about it for a long time, so I know what I am doing and what I am getting into.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

01-26-2005, 07:30 PM	#141
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: idaho Posts: 5,379 Photos: 9	well that sucks man
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01-26-2005, 09:39 PM	#142
tryintogetbig Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC Posts: 378	Sorry to hear she did not take it well. Just be smart about it and you will be fine. The doctors at the E.R. said the sickness was fom the grease?? I know the first time i took 1-ad & 4-ad , both were capsules i got sick as hell by the 2 or 3rd day, doctor said it was a reaction to the increased Test. Since then i have done a couple other cycles of PH/PS and have been fine. Just a thought though. Hope you can get back to eating right real soon!
	"Thanks Dbol...you changed my life." - PurduePower

01-27-2005, 09:15 AM	#143
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I have done a few ph cycles, and never got anything like this. I don't really feel like my test levels are that high yet. I could definately tell they were high from the 4Derm on my M1T cycle, but I guess it is still a possibility. I just ate a bowl of oatmeal with some whey and honey. I couldn't finish my bowl last night, but I made it through the one this morning. I still don't feel well enough to walk to my classes, so I am gonna stay in again. The ER nurse said that I needed to take today off anyways. I have the slip from the ER, so my professors have to excuse me. Today is supposed to be my 2nd injection. I think I am going to hit my quads for this and the next injection so I can get a little more skilled at it. If I hit one of my glutes again anytime soon, I will probably to the same that I did last time(scraping too much from moving the needle). I didn't take any dbol yesterday, but I just took some a couple minutes ago. I might have to get some B12 to jump start my appetite. I know it is going to be a few days before I can eat the same portions that I did before. After a day of nothing in my stomach, I am sure that is shrank considerably.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

01-27-2005, 12:49 PM	#145
simbh Simon Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greater Ottawa Region , Canada Posts: 986 Photos: 4	Sorry to hear that about your lifting partner bro . Seems your doing better from that virus or grease eating disorder thing. Hang on , and good luck with the rest of your cycle ... Kind of a bad coincidence that it happens when you start your aas cycle.
	When a goal is reached comes satisfaction . You're accomplished as a person when you surpass those goals .

01-27-2005, 03:27 PM	#146
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	I just did my 2nd injection. I hit my right quad this time. Soooo much easier than hitting my glute. I didn't even need to warm the oil. I remembered to pull back the plunger to check for aspiration first this time. The oil took a little while to push through, but nothing major. Just a few drops worth of blood after I pulled out. I might go back to my glutes after I hit my other quad and then my delts....after I get some more practice. My appetite still isn't even close to desirable. I had a chicken breast at about 1:30, and I have had a constant gut churn ever since.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.