Dante

I am currently on day 6 of my first 4 week m1t cycle- i just want to make sure im doing everything right to get the best possible gains. Heres what im doing:

week 1:
10mg M1T
300mg 4AD
6 caps milk thistle a day

week 2-4:
20mg M1T
600mg 4AD
6 caps of milk thistle a day

week 5-8 PCT:
Nolva, Trib.

i also have some m5 for preworkout but not sure if i should take it

23yrs.
5'10
176 ~10%bf
at the start of the cycle

Through day 6 im up to 186 lbs! Most prob. water but im feeling a little harder. strength seems to have gone up.

My Goal is to get up to around 195-200 then start my cutting phase once im done with PCT.

I posted some pics from before I started the cycle. Ill try to update them weekly.

any suggestions or tips would help
-thanks

Luke9583

Don't use the m5. Go easy on your liver.

Water is not compresible.

How many calories, what's the split look like?

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Dante

im taking in around 4000 cals. about 3 to 1 carbs to protien for 5 days and 2 to 1 protien to carbs for two days.

carbs: oatmeal before bed, a ton of potatoes, yams, white& brown rice etc.

protien: all kinds of meats, powder, nuts, etc.

im also taking juiced creatine, glutamine, fiber

Luke9583

You may as well drop the creatine. You'll hold tons of water with the m1t.

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Dante

alright i never thought of that

should i de drinking a lot of water?

Luke9583

at least 1.5 gals a day.

If you use m5, you'd have to drink another gallon. I recomend not using two methyls. M1t is hard enough.

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Dante

ok i wont use the m5 with the m1t.

would the m5 help with cutting fat afterwords?

Luke9583

You shouldn't be gaining much fat, if you are eating clean.

Diet helps. Actually, i'd advise you stopped the cycle right now and went to PCT. And don't mess with your hormones in the future. But.... have a good cycle Let me know if you have any other questions.

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Dante

thanks

Dante

I heard that taking milk thistle can slow the absorbtion of m1t. Should i stop taking it now and wait until PCT?

Luke9583

If you drink 1.5 gals a day, yes

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Cold Iron

A lot of people actually drop bf too


Luke, are you anti PH/AAS now? as I know you have done numerous cycles in the past. what up?

Dante

This is what I ate Yesterday

3362 Cals, 82 g fat, 383 carbs, 290 pro.
About 1.2 gals of water

1 Bagel, wheat
6 Egg, white only, 1 yoke
.5 cup Milk, Skim
1 Apple, raw
1 cup Broccoli, frozen, spears, unprepared
1.5 cups Go Lean Crunch
6 oz. Beef, NS as to cut, cooked, lean and fat eaten
2 Potatoes, baked, skin, without salt
8 oz. Chicken breast
4 tbs. RF Peanut Butter
2 Cracker Jack Rice Cake (postworkout)
3.5 Scoops Optimium Whey
1.5 Yam, cooked, boiled, drained, or baked, without salt
1 cup Beans, snap, green, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt
1 Banana, raw

Do you think this is enough? Do you think there is anything I should be adding or subtracting?

Stu

lukes on cycle right now he just doesnt want people to get bigger than him

simbh

Eat more . If youre 186 pounds (pretty much same as me) you need to eat more around 4k if you want the best gains. Sure a little will be fat but you'll get the best out of your m1t. I'm doing a 1-ad cycle and I've gained 12 pounds in 15 days , but I am eating like a freak (about 4k cals each day).

When a goal is reached comes satisfaction . You're accomplished as a person when you surpass those goals .

Luke9583

Well for starters, You only think you know what you're doing to your body.


This is my last cycle ever.

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

thatguy

Why is that?

Luke9583

This isn't my thread so I"ll keep it short out of respect for Dante.

I'd like to live a long healthy life in which I have healthy ways of making myself happy. Cycling hormones makes it impossible to satisfy 2 out of those three goals.

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Dante

How much cardio (if any) would you guys recomend during the cycle?

Luke9583

It depends on your Rest intervals.

My cardio takes a poop before my legs do, on leg days. I need to keep the cardio up

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Dante

I usually drink 20g protein & water while lifting. Then either run or play bball immediately afterwords.

I was woundering if I shouldn't burn too many cals by doing cardio

Dante

Luke- I think you recomended a site called fitday to someone in here. Just wanted to say good call- ive been using it the last couple days. 4000 cals is a lot harder than it sounds!

Luke9583

AMEN brotha'!

You'll get tired of poopin'

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

thatguy

I understand what you're saying, but a little boost now and then won't hurt. I don't plan on constantly cycling, but I'm gonna do a few here and there while I'm young, and maybe when I'm older every few years for a boost. If you use them right, I don't think it takes any years off your life.

But maybe this should go into a different thread...back to you, Dante.

Dante

Today is my 9th day-(started 20mgs yesterday) so far i've gained 11.5 Lbs.

The only major strength gain was in bar shrugs. I used to do 315 8-10 reps. when i got to 315 this week i did 12 and felt like i could keep going. the next set i added another plate to each side(405) and did 8 reps. it was probably the best pump i ever had- i saw veins popping out that i never knew i had. squats are up about 25lbs.

other than that every thing else is pretty much the same. i did chest yesterday and expected to throw up a little more weight but unfortunitly i couldnt. i did get a better pump.

hopefully 20mgs will help more this next week. i also stopped taking milk thistle- so may be that was a factor last week.

Are these gains normal? What do you think i should expect in the weeks to come? any feedback would be great.

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Dante

now im on day 11.

i think this shit is really working!

i weighed 192 last night and 189 this mourning. i cant believe im still gaining weight, i thought i would hit a plateau this week(i prob will soon). chest is up 1.5" arms + .75". not really any sides besides lower back pains with certain exercises.

Dante

my diet for the last week has been about:

4000 cals
16% fat 71g
46% carbs 519g
37% pro 363g

Dante

im on day 14. im def seeing changes- i just posted a new pic of a lat spread and you can see the improvement from two weeks ago.

my workouts are going good- but my lower back has been killing me. it only really hurts at the end of my workouts and is fine after words. im taking 600 mg of 4ad- may be i should take more?

my weight has been around 190 for the last couple days. im noticing strength increases just about everywhere.