Thread: X Ring's get huge or die trying journal

Good luck achieving your goals. Do you deadlift conventional or sumo?

Looks like you got your shit together. If I were doing it all over again and starting afresh, there isn't a thing I would change about your M1T plan (except maybe to just do an actual AAS Test/DBol cycle). If you get as many sides to M1T as I do, you'll be ready for just about anything else other steroids might hit you with. Its a hell of a learning experience.

Best of luck and don't let the 4AD bloat get too you too bad. Its a really wet compound, especially at high dosages. Best thing that ever happened to my libido. Watch out for strong winds though.

Edit: One last thing. I just noticed your aiming for 200-300 in protein. Not near enough imo. M1T is a strong enough steroid to produce quite a bit of mass. Shoot for 2g/lb or a little over even. You'll be more impressed with the results.

Welcome back bro!

Originally Posted by MonStar

Good luck achieving your goals. Do you deadlift conventional or sumo?

I always did conventional DL, I started reading one of your many journals and tried sumo and do them about every other time but never heavy, just dont work well for me.

I am not suppose to be doing deads (or any spine loading lifts) with my scoliosis but it keeps me in better shape and I dont think the doctors really understand my situation. However, I havent been doing 1 RM, been keeping the reps no lower than 3 or 4.

Cardinal
Thanks for you input, very useful.
I understand M1t is harsh which concerns me but 1) I already have too much (got it when it was legal) 2) I am still living at home at dont want to be shipping illegal stuff to my parent house with my little brother here.
As far as the gains, they concern me too doing this cycle at home. I should be out of the house into an apt with my GF by july so maybe I will wait until then.
What were some of the sides you experienced? How was the hair loss? I think I am starting to thin a bit even at only 23.
The protein intake was a concern on this cycle. What do you think I should aim for?

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Thanks man, I really like this board, lots of good info and I know more than I need to about explorers

Chest
5 minute warm up, bike
pull overs: 2 sets X 80lb X 12 reps
Flat Barbell Bench: 225x8, 275x4 (spot on 4), 275x4 (spot on 4), 245x6, 225x7
Incline Dumbbell Bench: 90x8, 100x6, 90x8, 90x7
Decline Hammer Strength: 220x10, 280x 5 x 2 sets, 220x8
Cable Flies: 10x10, 10x9, 8x11, 8x10

215 lbs

Typical chest day as of past few months, pretty weak, crappy

I'd shoot for 2g/lb. Shoot for a bit more if you don't think you will be able to consistently hit 2g/lb. That is a pretty standard amount for a roid cycle. Can't hardly go wrong with that.

Cramping was really bad for me and that was the most noticable side effect. I did get a laundry list of them though. I can't log onto anabolicminds but if you check in the cycle info section, you can find an old journal of mine that is quite detailed and I list everything that happened to me each day on that cycle. Might be worth checking out and there are lots more good cycles that people run you might want to read up on over there too.

Hair loss was moderate but it all grew back. Test is a lot harder on my hair than M1T.

If you end up waiting until July, consider running M1T as a kickstart to a simple 10 week test only cycle if you wan to keep the cost super low. Test enanthate is about as cheap as you can get for the results obtained. Just something to think about. Your current plan is good.

I will shoot for 2 g/lb, which I would like all the time just dont know if it is something I can maintain indefinitely. During they cycle I will keep it around there.
I will definitely get over to Anabolicminds soon and read up. Being my first cycle I think I will just stick with the m1t and 4ad even if I run it in July. That was it will be a bit shorter and I will have some m1t left over for another cycle.

What do you guys think about a PCT with Nolvadex and Anabolic Matrix Rx? The AM isnt exactly cheap at the recommended dose of 5-6 caps a day for 30 days.

If you wanted something cheaper, you could run ephedrine as an anti-catabolic agent. Or if you wanted to spend maybe a tad bit more and run its big brother clen, you could try that. I personally love using ephedrine during pct, but don't get good results with clen. E HCl is a fantastic pre-workout stimulant, keeps me gaining strength and allows me to eat more than I could otherwise without gaining extra fat. All for about 7 bucks a bottle.

One other thing. Nowhere in your initial post did I see milk thistle listed as a supplement. I assume this is an oversight and you plan on running it throughout your cycle and during pct for as long as needed.

I gotta see how much I can work to get some money. If I can afford the Anabolic Matrix Rx I will get it, if not, I may just use ephedrine.
E HCl may be good to help my appetite as I read M1t might suppress it and give me a little extra boost.
No I dont have any milk thistle and I forgot to mention that, I read a lot about it a while ago and I will get some before I start. Thanks for the reminder. You say as long as needed during PCT, are there signs that say you have run it long enough or do you just run it until the end of your PCT

However what I am going to use might change b/c even the m1t and 4ad are going to give me gains that will have my brother and father knowing something is up as I lift with them reguarly. Might have to move out to feel ok about doing this

Welcome back. That's quite the transformation from 243 to 214. Good luck with the new goals. And of course you'll be posting pics from the vacation, right?

I will probably hit the gym later I have been up since 4 AM plowing and shoveling this heavy ass snow and after I am dont here I am going to bed.

Hopefully legs today depending on how my back/ass feels after my tumble this past weekend.

On a postive not my diet has been pretty damn good, pretty low fat high protein, no processed crap, and aside from the glass of white cranberry juice nothing in the way of sweets

Originally Posted by CaptainDeadlift

Welcome back. That's quite the transformation from 243 to 214. Good luck with the new goals. And of course you'll be posting pics from the vacation, right?

Thanks Capt. Yeah I was a little strong definitely at 243 but way to fat. Lost lots of fat and unfortunately some muscle. Currently I am looking to gain mass a bit slower to avoid adding fat, it all happened pretty quick last time.

I will absolutely be posting pictures from my vacation. Probably some of myself too when I do my measurements just so I have something too look back at.

The only sure fire way to know if you need M1T and how long to run it is to get bloodwork done during the cycle and/or after pct is over. Get a metabolic panel and check your liver values, ALT, AST, GGT, etc. if I have the letters correct.

If you are really concerned about liver protectants, you can of course grab some NAC and ALA or rala to go along with the milk thistle.

One other thing. I couldn't tell what you meant by ephedrine helping your appetite. It does suppress appetite but definitely in a far different manner than M1T does fyi. It allows me to magically keep calories in the 3500-4500 range I tend to use in pct.

Originally Posted by Cardinal

The only sure fire way to know if you need M1T and how long to run it is to get bloodwork done during the cycle and/or after pct is over. Get a metabolic panel and check your liver values, ALT, AST, GGT, etc. if I have the letters correct.

If you are really concerned about liver protectants, you can of course grab some NAC and ALA or rala to go along with the milk thistle.

One other thing. I couldn't tell what you meant by ephedrine helping your appetite. It does suppress appetite but definitely in a far different manner than M1T does fyi. It allows me to magically keep calories in the 3500-4500 range I tend to use in pct.

Ahh that was a nice nap

OK I have to get some bloodwork done anyway, for my physical so I will just make sure they run what I need then get another screen done later. I say this now but I may not do it. I know you are suppose to and a lot of people never do it and should.

I have some ALA I got free when I bought some creatine a while back I was saving for the M1t, so i will run that with the milk thistle.

I dont know what I meant about the ephedrine either, I think it was the lack of sleep talking so for now just ignore that.

Hey X Ring, I am starting back up M1T today. I am going to be running 15-20mg of M1T and 50mcg Cytomel for 6 weeks, followed up with some Nolva. I am trying to decide whether I should go with 15mg for 6 weeks or 20mg for 4.5 weeks. What do you think?

I just replied to your other thread before I got to this one. 3-4 weeks seems max as far as being effecient and safe

Been eating alright, had pasta last night after I did legs. Probably shouldnt have eatten that much or that late.

Legs 3/24

5 min bike warmup
Squats
-135*15
-225*11
-315*8
-315*7
-315*8
-225*9

SLDL
-135*12 (on 3" or 4" platform)
-225*10 (platform)
-315*4 (platform)
-315*6 (no platform)
-315*3 (no platform)
-225*8 (platform)

Squat Press
-6 plates*15
-8 plates*12
-8 plates*13
-8 plates*11
-6 plates*14
EDIT: those are plates/side

Kneeling single leg curls
-90*8*3 sets /leg

Donkey Calf Raise
-400*25* 2 sets


Not a great w/o pretty weak, one of my goals is to get my legs to be a lot stronger. I think this will help my back problems and it will make me happier when regular jeans dont fit like back in the day

Great leg strength X Ring, 315 for sets on squats is really impressive. How deep are you going? SLDL strength looks good, too. What do you mean off a platform?

Originally Posted by MonStar

Great leg strength X Ring, 315 for sets on squats is really impressive. How deep are you going? SLDL strength looks good, too. What do you mean off a platform?

315 is just to parallel. I would like to be get going at least a little deeper even at 315. 135 and 225 are pretty deep. With my messed up back I dont want to be doing low reps, mostly stay over 4 and always deep, putting more stress on my quads and less on my spine.

SLDLs werent great, decent weight but I keep lossing my form with 315 especially on the last set which really pissed me off.
As far as the platform, it is a reebok plastic thing I guess for step ups or something, You can stack them but I only used one. That way I was standing 3 or 4" off the ground giving me more range of motion.

As far as the platform, it is a reebok plastic thing I guess for step ups or something, You can stack them but I only used one. That way I was standing 3 or 4" off the ground giving me more range of motion.

They're a great tool for hitting your hamstrings/lower back harder, IMO. I absolutely love doing deadlifts off the platform. I have never done SLDL off a platform, but I can see how it would be very challenging. What is your max deadlift? Or SLDL?

I never max on SLDL, a while back I got up to up 365x4 but I doubt I can do that with the strict form I like to keep. I like using the platform b/c w/o it I dont feel get a worthwhile ROM. I have also used the platform for doing regular deads which is pretty good for training the bottom of your lift

Deadlifting using conventional style I hit 515x1 almost 2 years ago(in college). Then about 8 months ago doing the TP PT program I got 455x6. I really like to get back above 500 again

didn't go to the gym today, pretty sore and busy doing bunch of small things. I will go tomorrow morning to do shoulders and abs, goodnight folks

Shoulders 3/26
5 min bike warmup
DB Military Press
50*12
60*10
70*8
80*7
90*3.5
80*6
70*8

Upright BB Rows (smith machine)
90*10
140*7
140*7
100*8
100*9

Shrugs
115*10 DB
125*10 DB
315*12 BB
405*10 BB
405*10 BB
315*10 BB

Front DB Raise
50*8/arm
50*9/arm
50*8/arm

Lateral DB raise
40*10/arm (3 sets)

Lateral Machine Raise
10*10 (2 sets)
10*7

Acceptable shoulder w/o, nothing special
no abs today ran out of time, and my protein a bit low today but will try to make it up later today into tomorrow

didnt lift yesterday on easter but I sure did eat plenty Lots of ham, hard boiled eggs, kielbasa, and maybe some cheese cake and kugule and a little chocolate. I didnt eat that many sweets, more than I should have but it was easter and now I will eat better.

Yesterday's food intake was pretty clean and high in protein. w/o was quick b/c I had to fit the gym between errand and a meeting to go over my resume and interview skills. Which means short RI so weight arent high neither are sets

ARMS 3/28
Skull Crushers then CG superset
(85x10+10) *2
105x10+10
125x7+8
145x4+8
125x6+8

DIPS
(BW+100x6) *2
BW+75 x6
Kinda sucked, usually get more reps in

Reverse Cable Pulldowns
10x10 *3 sets

Standing BB Curls
95x10
115x8
135x5
135x4
115x7
95x10 (x 2 sets Flex Curl Style)

Single Arm Curls
40x8 x3 sets/arm

Weight: 215 lbs I cant believe it wasnt more after Easter

DB Military Press
50*12
60*10
70*8
80*7
90*3.5
80*6
70*8

Strength looking a lot like mine bro, keep it up. Whats your PR on seated DB presses?

Upright BB Rows (smith machine)
90*10
140*7
140*7
100*8
100*9

Have you ever done upright rows with a BB?

Any physique pics, by the way? Your strength is very very close to mine.

my PR for military DB press is 90x7.

Yes I have done regular BB rows and I usually do those but there wasnt one available right when I was ready to do them so I just used the smith press

I am going to get some pics but I cant pose for shit. I need to get measurements and pics for this journal. My strength on some of these may look close to your lifts but you kill me on the big 3.

Kinda of a disjointed w/o today did a lot of rows and little pullups/downs. Also the numbers got the best of me on the rows. I went to high in weight and didnt get the reps or the full ROM I really needed.

BACK 3/29
5 min warmup on bike

Pullups
BW x 9 (2)
BW+30 x 8 (2)

Deadlifts
225x10
315x8
405x5
405x3
455x1
405x3
405x4
315x6 (2)
I think that was it I lots track

Underhand Bent BB Rows
225x7 (3)

Overhand Bent BB Rows
225x7 (2)
185x8

DB Row (on flat bench)
100x10 (3/side)

Machine Pulldowns
220x9 (3)

Underhand Cable Pulldowns
16x7 (2)

WG Cable Pulldowns
14x8

Rope Cable Crunches
15x15 (4)


Back is pretty much toast. Did a bunch of sets for deads b/c I had the worst time trying to stay in the zone. Half way through a set around rep 3 I would just lose it. No grip problems, still had more in me just crappy lifts on everything above 315.

Go DBZ!