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Old 04-22-2005, 07:15 PM   #31
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Archangel - Thanks a lot man, I guess I'll have to give it a shot. Only thing is I'd run it maybe once every 4 weeks during power week. The rest of the 3 weeks I guess I'll have to settle for normal shrugs, IF i remmeber them I'll give these a shot in 2 weeks, when I start up power week and let you know how it goes

Deadbolt - Thanks for stopping by. Its weird, I never really felt them getting hit when doing deadlifts, my back gets hit hard, but my traps seem to be ok.

Wow, where I come from I couldn't imagine someone in highschool doing juice already. That just seems "out of this world" so to speak. But I guess that's to your benefit, more motivation for you to train harder and be competitive I'll see if I can dig up any of Dave Tate's articles, I'm curious to see what these highschool students look like.
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Old 04-23-2005, 01:53 AM   #32
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Wow, where I come from I couldn't imagine someone in highschool doing juice already. That just seems "out of this world" so to speak. But I guess that's to your benefit, more motivation for you to train harder and be competitive I'll see if I can dig up any of Dave Tate's articles, I'm curious to see what these highschool students look like.
My computer is getting fixed so I'm using my cousins but once its up and running tomorrow I'll try to see if I have the articles still. The pictures give them no justice....they are distant shots. In real life these kids look totally different then in pictures. But he tracked their progress I believe.



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Old 04-23-2005, 02:40 AM   #33
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Ah ok Deadbolt, I can't wait too see these pics, please post 'em up ifyou find it!
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Old 04-23-2005, 09:25 AM   #34
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Archangel - Thanks a lot man, I guess I'll have to give it a shot. Only thing is I'd run it maybe once every 4 weeks during power week. The rest of the 3 weeks I guess I'll have to settle for normal shrugs, IF i remmeber them I'll give these a shot in 2 weeks, when I start up power week and let you know how it goes
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I think you'll like it!!!
Hopefully I will, I'll keep you updated on how it goes!

Training - None

Cardio - semi hard HIIT 15 minutes, followed by 10~12 minutes shadowboxing.
Its pouring out today, so I had to do my cardio session in my cramped basement. Good session nevertheless, I'm sweating from pretty hard from it.
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Old 04-24-2005, 08:04 AM   #36
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Heya bud! I looked for that artcle but it was on my old computer not this one. You can search for it @ http://www.t-nation.com/index.do;jse...8412EFD3B.ba13

If I get a chance I will try to look for it but I figured I'd give ya the website so you could search for yourself.



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Heya bud! I looked for that artcle but it was on my old computer not this one. You can search for it @ http://www.t-nation.com/index.do;jse...8412EFD3B.ba13

If I get a chance I will try to look for it but I figured I'd give ya the website so you could search for yourself.
Hmm thanks, I tried running a couple searches with the keywords "tate, school, and highschool" but none of them really turned out anything specific. I'm don't really know what I'm looking for, all I know is they are HUGE *#%ING HIGHSCHOOL student, lol (oh and the article was written by David Tate). If you have any keyword suggestions, please let me know
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Should have something like westside for begginers or somethign along those lines. I know thats the title of some sort but I just stumbled upon it a few months ago. Your best bet is search for westside at that site and you should find it. I wouldn't put anything about school in there b/c I don't know how many times that was mentioned....if I come across it again I'll let ya know.



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Should have something like westside for begginers or somethign along those lines. I know thats the title of some sort but I just stumbled upon it a few months ago. Your best bet is search for westside at that site and you should find it. I wouldn't put anything about school in there b/c I don't know how many times that was mentioned....if I come across it again I'll let ya know.
Hmm thanks for the suggestions, still no luck finding these beasts though. Ah well, no biggie. Just wondering though, do these kids resemble the guys at www.kevtrice.com?
We've got some real big lifters

mid 300-high 300 bench press
mid 500 squats
low 500 deadlifts

all in their senior year of highschool.
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Old 04-24-2005, 10:08 PM   #40
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Yea I had alot of guys like them....they were big times heh. Those dudes are off the wall though lol.

The article by dave tate didn't really show to many of the big guys though just the ones that made the most progress with westside. Some of the other guys were just massive and he didn't interview them.

I don't know if you follow highschool football but if you do there was a big article in my area about how my old highschool incorporated strong man events into their foot ball training like keg toss, sled drag etc etc. They were the first to ever attempt it or some shit like that.



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Old 04-24-2005, 10:18 PM   #41
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I wish I had those kind of guys in my highschool to look up too...

Highschool football isn't as big up here, team members weren't forced to work out. There were the regulars that showed up to the gym, and the team members that showed up maybe once every 2 weeks or so.

Did the strongman events help your high school?
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I wish I had those kind of guys in my highschool to look up too...

Highschool football isn't as big up here, team members weren't forced to work out. There were the regulars that showed up to the gym, and the team members that showed up maybe once every 2 weeks or so.

Did the strongman events help your high school?
Yea they did awsome in their season....They went to the finals I believe but am not sure if they took states last year....I stopped following it mid season and only heard tid bits here and there. But they lost alot of their good players my senior year...we all graduated together. Pretty much most of the varsity team went away to college.



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Ah gotcha nice nice, what kind of numbers were these guys putting up??
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Ah gotcha nice nice, what kind of numbers were these guys putting up??
Pretty close to those other guys. They were benching in the 300's, squats and deads were close to the 500 marks. But those weren't the biggest guys....some of our lineman were much stronger then the roid users but I never got a chance to see them train.



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Old 04-25-2005, 06:54 PM   #45
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Deadbolt - Very scary indeed!

Finished off my exams today, and went straight into my workout. Didn't have my usual preworkout meal, and I was feeling pretty fatigue. But I got a decent workout nonetheless. Gym was surprisingly packed though.

Shock Week - April 25

Training - Chest/Delts/Abs

Decline Flyes/Medium Decline Bench Press - 20x8/205x8, 25x8/185x6+1
This was my first time doing decline flyes, I didn't wanna go as heavy, just wanted to get my form down good and feel the stretch. The decline bench presses were good, but I should've dropped the weight down more on my second superset.

Decline Flyes/Dips - 25x8/BW+25x8
Again, I had an idea of how heavy I could go on the flyes now, so next week I'll be upping the weight.

Laying Machine Press - 175x8/100x8/62.5x6
My stamina died off here, 175 felt heavy, but I think that was due to my mental fatigue.

Seated Side Lateral/Shoulder Press - 22x8/45x5.5 (don't know why I bailed out, I know i could've hit 6 no problem).
All the hammer machines were taken and I didn't feel like waiting or working in (wanted to warmup), so I just went ahead and did some shoulder presses instead.


Reverse Pec Deck/WG Upright Row - 112.5x8/65x8
I had to use a different machine for the reverse pec dec, just felt different and I didn't know how much weight I could put on it. As for the upright rows, all the barbells were taken so I had to use heaviest "premade barbell" I could find, which was a 65. Worthless really, so I just decided to concentrate super hard on form + negatives (going as long as 6 seconds on the way down).

Cable Front Raise Dropset - 60x6/30x8/22x8 per arm
My form on the 60s were pretty shakey, so hopefully I'll be able to perfect it by next shock week (2 weeks from now).

Abs - Negative crunches/obliques/crunches. Slow controlled movements, my stomach was burning after this and i'm sure my face resembled that of a tomatoe.

Moderate Cardio 10 minutes, kept a good steady pace (could've been better)
Track run 1 lap (~2-3 mins), seems like I pulled my calf or something so I decided to stop after 1 lap, my calf feels alright now though.
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Old 04-25-2005, 07:07 PM   #46
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Brother Alaric, thats one heckuva w/o there!!! Very nice numbers!!!



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Old 04-25-2005, 07:13 PM   #47
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Nice wo !

First time through ? if so the second 3 weeks are much better, the third 3 weeks even better and after you finish your first 9 week cycle you really are getting it down pat and boom !!! it's time to take break and let the bod recoup. Second cycle , look out !

No wait , you 've been doing this for awhile right ? Its the cut that is new ?



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Archangel - Thanks for stopping by, its good motivation when I'm getting support from someone with your strength.

gwcaton - What I meant to say was, this was my first time doing "decline flyes" I've never actually done the exercise before. I'm sort of new to the P/RR/S, I'd say this is my first or second cycle. However, all before that I was doing P/RR for a bit.

I've cut before, but I did it in a stupid fashion (I just dropped my calories from 4000 to 1800 or so), and ended up losing most of my gains. I'm going to be smarter about it this time around.

Side note: I weighed in at 194.4 before my workout, so at least I'm back on track again.
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Old 04-26-2005, 11:31 AM   #49
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No Update on training today, looks like I'll be doing a 1 on 3 off split this week again.

My Gym membership expires this friday, so I'll probably take a week off after Friday until I find a new local gym.

Creatine Starts Today - April 26, 2005
Loading Creatine for 4 days, end my creatine cycle on July 26, 2005.

I really don't know what to expect from this, never used creatine while cutting, we'll see what happens.
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Archangel - Thanks for stopping by, its good motivation when I'm getting support from someone with your strength.
My pleasure, and thank you for the compliment!!!



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Abs - Negative crunches/obliques/crunches. Slow controlled movements, my stomach was burning after this and i'm sure my face resembled that of a tomatoe.
Lol, I love the imagery... Imma start followin yer journal, if you dont mind...



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Archangel -

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Old 04-27-2005, 01:04 PM   #53
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Its going to be Leg Day today, I'm curious to try out the 20 rep squats. I haven't decided if I'll do it or not, but if I do it'll most likely be supersetted into Leg Extensions (I have a feeling it'll be painful).

Anywho, I've got some time to decide whether or not I'll do it, but I'm going to be putting in my new stance for squats today, so I'll be lifting "light"
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Can't wait to see your results Brother Alaric!!!



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Ah Thanks Archangel, but it was nothing spectacular today.

Actually, I'm quite disappointed with my workout today. No one really to blame but myself, I was feeling pumped up until I stepped into the gym. Then I started thinking about my job interview tomorrow, and all of a sudden my heart just wasn't in it.

Training Quads/Hams/Calves

Leg Extension/ATF Squat 262.5x8/135x15
Was going to do a 20 rep squat, but I bailed out after 15 reps. I should say that I cracked up my knee doing warmups (just the bar), I don't know what happened, I just heard this loud crack in my right knee and a sudden surge of pain. Was fine a couple mins later, but I was scared to push myself any further.

Leg Extension/Leg Press - 250x8/200x9
Nothing to write home about, I just wasn't in the mood to trian legs anymore after my first superset

Lunge - 95x10/85x8
My mind was elsewhere, I couldn't remmeber if I did both my legs, or the same leg twice (did them one at a time). Blah

Seated Leg Curl (Dropset) - 100x8/75x10
Change in plans here, the Lying leg curl machine had a lineup going on.

Seated Single Leg Curl (drop set) - 50x10/37.5x10 per leg
This felt weird when i was doing my left leg, cause I didn't know where to put my right leg, so as I brought the leg curl back it'd smash into my right leg. Was pretty painful since I was trying to be explosive on these, lol. Good job to me for not using my brain!

Calves (seated HUMP practising thingy) - 70x8
The name itself should tell you how dumb I'm feeling right now :P I'm going to shut up now before I look like an even bigger jackass.

[edit] Another thing that threw me off was that I weighed in at 192.4 lbs (before my workout). What the heck, I dropped 2 lbs in like 2 days....Something is not right, better stop doing cheat meals.

I have a feeling this cut is going to be a battle of mentality vs strength. I've only cutted once before this, and that didn't go so well (I lost a lot of strenght and mass). SO its kinda psyching me out for this cut, I'm expecting my numbers to drop, but I'm doing the best that I can to keep them stable (or even raise them). We'll see if I can beat 'em mind games....

Oh ya one last thing, I'm gonna be compressing this week into 3 days. No workout tomorrow since I gotta do a job interview on the opposite side of town. Friday I'll be doing back/arms (great...) followed by cardio
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Don't be so down on yourself Brother, thats still one heckuva w/o!!!
Good Luck on your interview tomorrow!!!
Cutting is a Killer too, why do you think hardly anyone does it?!!
I will be in the same boat as you though, I'm getting ready to go on a cut myself, I want to get down to 205, thats like 50 pounds for me, but I want to concentrate on getting cut now. Keep at it Brother!!!



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Thanks for the words of encouragement and support Archangel, mucho appreciated. I don't even know why I'm feeling down, its just this interview that's getting at me I guess.

Good point on the cutting, but I thought cutting was easier than bulking? Holy cow, a 50 lb cut, you're gonna be RIPPPED and SHREDDEDD as hell. Keep some before/after pics if you can, I'm sure