Thread: Young D's First AAS Cycle

Originally Posted by Mags

Haha, is this guy trying to be me? I think the last thing D wants is another HCG dispute taking up endless posts in his journal. I think D decided to run it during the cycle to sustain his own natural test levels from the suppressive activity of the AS. Kind of stopping the problem before it occurs. Besides, it cant be fun feeling ya bollox shrinking, mine are already small enough,ha.

im going through therapy for hypogonadism. i took 10000iu of HCG starting 5 days after my last shot og test and deca... I ran it for 3000 every 5 days and 1000 my last day, well what they didnt inform me was that deca takes about 3 montsh to get outta your system so basically I wasted the HCG and now (2 years later) My Dr put me on a 12 week cycle of HCG and my test levels went from 247 to over 400. I am no longer on the HCG but I am still visiting the Endocrinologist every month or so for bloodwork and maintenance

Originally Posted by motopsyko32

im going through therapy for hypogonadism. i took 10000iu of HCG starting 5 days after my last shot og test and deca... I ran it for 3000 every 5 days and 1000 my last day, well what they didnt inform me was that deca takes about 3 montsh to get outta your system so basically I wasted the HCG and now (2 years later) My Dr put me on a 12 week cycle of HCG and my test levels went from 247 to over 400. I am no longer on the HCG but I am still visiting the Endocrinologist every month or so for bloodwork and maintenance

well im guessing that Young D has done his research and therefore won't be shooting 3000IU in a day.

i did my research on how to shoot it and my research said 10000 IU and split it up 3000 iu every 5 days with 1000 ius on the last day. This is the first i hear that it was the wrong way to do it...

Originally Posted by motopsyko32

i did my research on how to shoot it and my research said 10000 IU and split it up 3000 iu every 5 days with 1000 ius on the last day. This is the first i hear that it was the wrong way to do it...

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I'm not saying what you did was wrong but i think 3000iu at once is probably too much.

Originally Posted by motopsyko32

i did my research on how to shoot it and my research said 10000 IU and split it up 3000 iu every 5 days with 1000 ius on the last day. This is the first i hear that it was the wrong way to do it...

Dont know too much of your situation, but for people getting off the gear (maybe this only applies to beginners and what AS you take) but I've only ever read about taking 500ius every 5 days (Ive read many posts/articles on HCG and had many disputes with other guys on here about this bloomin' subject). I thought 3000iu would be too much, maybe even suppressive itself at high doses for 12 weeks. As I said though, Im not totally sure, just passing on what Ive read etc.

Anyway, please can we get away from the HCG thing now, this aint the place to talk on and on about this topic. So D, hows you getting on now? You finishing the Dbol this week lad?

Originally Posted by Mags

Anyway, please can we get away from the HCG thing now, this aint the place to talk on and on about this topic.

Originally Posted by Mags

So D, hows you getting on now? You finishing the Dbol this week lad?

the cycle is going awesome, i'm feeling possibly bigger than ever right now, at a mega 203lbs! (and i'm only 3.5 weeks in), i'd say i've got back all of what i lost from my 1ad cycle (weight is a little higher because of the extra water i think), now i'm starting to go into new territory in terms of size, so this is where it starts to get really exciting for me!

strength has not gone up quite as much as i'd maybe hoped, you hear about some guys adding 20, 30, sometimes even 50+ lbs to their major lifts on a cycle! so far my major lifts are up no more than 5kg/10lbs, but its early days yet and its only really last week that i really started to feel things

i'm planning on staying on the dbol for another week, maybe 2, so i'll either be 4.5 weeks or 5.5 weeks, as i started my cycle on a wednesday, i'd like to end it on a sat/sun at the end of the week you know, i'll prob do the same with the test, run it 10.5 weeks so i can schedule my pct to start around the sun/mon

i had a bit of a gyno scare this morning (sore, lumpy left nipple), so i took 140mg tamoxifen and 1.25mg letrozole, hopefully symptoms will subside over the next couple of days

You really should focus on upping them calories. Keep it up, and eat, eat, eat.

well that nolva+letro seems to have stopped the gyno in its tracks, no developments in the symptoms today, i'll start running 80mg (which according to PFH's intellegence should work out around 48mg tamoxifen) a day, and hopefully it will have totally cleared in a few days time, i'm not sure whether i should run a maintenance dose or not? maybe some low such as 20(12)mg EOD will keep it at bay, or ED until i'm off the dbol then EOD when i'm test only, i woke up a bit lighter today at 202lbs and dropped to 15% BF, which i assume is due to water loss from the nolva/letro, although my face still looks bloated as hell

I think the bloat is one of the things Im not looking forward to when I finally pull my thumb out and get on my cycle, don't want it to look too obvious Im on something (although I guess that most will just think Im got a bit fatter etc,ha) but Im sure its just paranoia and isn't as bad as we think (unless you're banging super doses i imagine). I thought you'd further the use of Dbol, I think I'll be the same. Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about the lifts increasing at the mo, just be patient and careful and they'll come. As for adding 50lbs to various lifts, again that must be based on the specifics of the drugs, dose and individual. Don't go shit crazy with pushing up your lifts before you're really ready as I read (sorry to sound like your dad lecturing as you've probably read up more stuff than me) that test weakens connective tissue slightly. Hope the gyno stops and doesnt cause anymore trouble. Keep up the good work lad and i'l be reading on!

Originally Posted by Mags

I think the bloat is one of the things Im not looking forward to when I finally pull my thumb out and get on my cycle, don't want it to look too obvious Im on something (although I guess that most will just think Im got a bit fatter etc,ha) but Im sure its just paranoia and isn't as bad as we think (unless you're banging super doses i imagine). I thought you'd further the use of Dbol, I think I'll be the same. Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about the lifts increasing at the mo, just be patient and careful and they'll come. As for adding 50lbs to various lifts, again that must be based on the specifics of the drugs, dose and individual. Don't go shit crazy with pushing up your lifts before you're really ready as I read (sorry to sound like your dad lecturing as you've probably read up more stuff than me) that test weakens connective tissue slightly. Hope the gyno stops and doesnt cause anymore trouble. Keep up the good work lad and i'l be reading on!

yeah the bloat sucks but i guess you just gotta put up with it, it should go down a little once i get off the dbol, looking back on things maybe i should of run some proviron on this cycle, but its too late now, and the bloat does make you look/feel bigger, so i guess its not all bad

i've just measured my arms and they are just shy of 16inches! they are looking real good, still lean but quite a bit thicker, real happy with em, they were just over 15 when i started the cycle, so i've probably added around 3/4 of an inch on them so far, i think i'm gonna aim to get them up to 17's by the end of the cycle, gee, that would be nice for a skinny dude like myself

17 would be a good size, just ensure its not just water helping with that extra half inch to fill those t shirt sleeves. My arms never used to grow till I trained them together then they got to a good 16 inches cold(and im pretty lean, with good definition too). Then I had my injuries (wrist sprain then car crash) and didn't even look at a weight for 8 weeks. Didnt keep up my caloric intake either so have dropped to 13st in 2 months.Shit! I wanna get back up to just over 200lbs where i was before then start on my first cycle so i'll probably be back in here pesting ya for advice. Keep up the good work g.

Glad to here things are goin well for ya. Any negative sides yet except the gyno scare?

Originally Posted by celt

Glad to here things are goin well for ya. Any negative sides yet except the gyno scare?

no, no major side effects yet, no shrinkage, acne, aggression or anything, only side effects so far was that gyno scare last weekend, and really bad lethargy which i'm still getting, this is why i don't think the test is doing a lot yet but hopefully i'll start feeling it soon, also i've had troubles sleeping the past couple of nights, i seem tired during the day and really alert and focused at night, its pretty messed up, i can only think its do do with taking the dbol during the day, i'm gonna try 10mg before bed and hopefully that will fix things, planning on running the dbol for its final week this week (so 5 weeks total), also got some sdrol today which i'm thinking of running over the last 3-4 weeks of the cycle, and i'm thinking about extending the cycle an extra couple of weeks so my body gets a good month off the orals

workouts are going good, added a good 10kg now to my major lifts (bench, rows, squats, deads), although i had to cut my back workout short on tues due to getting down the gym late again which i'm pissed off about, my chest is still aching from monday more than my lats are

been hammering in the food lately, really eating my arse off, gonna hit shoulders and abs today, haven't trained my abs hard for ages, i'm always worried about my abs getting too big and losing that thin waistline, but i'm losing them so i'm gonna hit them hard today, and i also plan on doing my first session of cardio for a month at the end of this workout, had my blood pressure checked the other day and apparently it is pretty high (right on the top end of the healthy zone, it was well below that when i started), hopefully a little cv will also help with the lethargy and give me a mental lift, as i normally feel great for doing it, i'm gonna try and run at least 1-2 times a week from now on for the rest of the cycle, just to keep healthy and keep the fat off as i start to transist to a see food diet

good to hear your eating a ton now. you got to eat big to get big, keep it up.

Yo D, what's up my man!

Just finished reading from where I left off, and things seem like they're going pretty well. I just have a few comments that may help ya...

First, i've said it before, and i'll say it again along with everyone else...EAT, bro. The reason you're on a cycle is to add mass. If you don't eat, you're not capatalizing on having those hormones in your body.

Secondly, make sure you're getting enough sleep. I know you have work, school, girlfriend etc., but you hafta be SURE you're giving your body recuperation time. That's when you grow, playa, and it's not different when you're on juice.

Thirdly, the reason your shoulders burn so badly when training is most likely b/c you're overusing them. In other words, when you're benching, you're probably pushing mostly with your delts, and not squeezing your chest like you should be doing. Same thing on like biceps curls and everything else....thus you gotta make sure you're just squeezin', peakin contracting, and fighting the negative. THATS how you train correctly. So lower those weights, don't let the weights battle with your ego, esp. on the juice, cuz you feel like you should be training with cars instead of weights. You wanna grow, don'tcha?

Lastly, as far as the gyno, keep running that nolva for a few weeks. 100% better safe than sorry, TRUST me haha.

Keep up the good work, playa.

FLEX

.....and if you need me to take care of your girlfriend, i'll kill the bitch for $50.

Fuck her after your morning workout and again before 5pm. Then tell her you've got to sleep so go the fuck away

Originally Posted by Flex

.....and if you need me to take care of your girlfriend, i'll kill the bitch for $50.

HAHAHA, its a deal!

i'm on week 5 now, and my strength is definately up from last week! i was benching 125kg today, before i started this cycle i was benching around the 105kg mark, thats crazy! i could NEVER lift that sort of weight without the juice, all the guys in the gym can't believe it, these 2 mean lookin black dudes were struggling on 60kg, while i was using it for my warm-up sets, then i start pressing over 2x what were pressing with ease, i'm getting everyone asking ''wow... how long have you been lifting? do you use creatine? do you use protein drinks? you should play rugby with strength like that!'' lol, its great, i feel like superman!

oh and i got called ''Arnie'' today, made my day

Originally Posted by young d

i'm on week 5 now, and my strength is definately up from last week! i was benching 125kg today, before i started this cycle i was benching around the 105kg mark, thats crazy! i could NEVER lift that sort of weight without the juice, all the guys in the gym can't believe it, these 2 mean lookin black dudes were struggling on 60kg, while i was using it for my warm-up sets, then i start pressing over 2x what were pressing with ease, i'm getting everyone asking ''wow... how long have you been lifting? do you use creatine? do you use protein drinks? you should play rugby with strength like that!'' lol, its great, i feel like superman!

oh and i got called ''Arnie'' today, made my day

LOL, yeah its deadly hwen they just stare at ya thinkin "How the hell....." . Glad that things are still goin well. Have ya a target bench press that ya wanna reach, and how are your other exercises doin?

hey dude, where are ya? Hope all is going well still pal

Originally Posted by Mags

hey dude, where are ya? Hope all is going well still pal

hi bro

sad news i'm afraid, i stopped the cycle about 2 weeks back, i was getting really worried over my high blood pressure, and it really messed my head up (i just couldn't go on living with the anxiety), even worse was when i realised i had formed lumps in under BOTH nipples (right being slightly worse than the left), i don't know how long they had been there for but i think they just went unnoticed for a while, and when i finally looked in the mirror one day and saw my right pec looking a bit different (like kinda pointy) i knew that i had developed full on GYNO!

i've been running 80-60mg nolva ED over the last 2 weeks, onto 40mg right now, and i will stay on the nolva for another week or 2 for my PCT, luckily the gyno has gone down slightly, it is not too noticable right now thank God! but its bad news to know that i am prone, this means plently of AE/AI/SERMs over my future cycles

i plan to get back on again soon, another test/dbol lined up towards the end of the year, will be running proviron and nolva throughout help prevent edema and gyno, was going to run deca, but TBH i think i'm big enough already, 1 more cycle would just be the icing on the cake for me, and i want to get it right next time!

i went from 184lbs to 207lbs over them 5 weeks, once i'd dropped the dbol and hit the nolva i fell to 201lbs, and now i'm up at 203lbs, so i've put on an impressive 19lbs!! but my bodyfat has risen from 14.5% before the cycle, to 17%, it works out at about 12lbs LBM gain and 7lbs fat gain, overall i'm VERY satisfied with the results of this cycle, i made some mistakes (not going deep enough with the jabs, not doing enough cv, and dropping the nolva on cycle), but i've learnt from them, its been a great learning experience and i don't stop getting compliments from people right now about how great i'm looking so its all good!

thanks all for your support, shame this cycle didn't work out as well as it should have done, but under the circumstances i felt it was in my best interests to come off when i did

Sorry to hear you had problems, but it happens to us all at least once. I would recommend that the next time you don't repeat the same cycle that gave problems. Just stick to the basics first "test", it's best to see how you react to a basic test cycle before you start mixing drugs. Don't let it get you down.

19 pounds is a hell of a lot of weight. Good job and sorry to hear it didn't work out perfectly as we all here were hoping for.