Tom_B

Ok ..
Well I was thinking about it today ... what if I did 1 cup of skim milk + whey + oats and then replace the banana with grape juice BUT instead of mixing it all together drink the grape juice seperate - or take out oats as well and have a greater intake of the grape juice , hell I could do that PWO as well.
Or I could also mix whey + yogurt without added sugar wonder if that would be better??
Hmm I need Emma's opioion on what would be better for me ..


Okay
How about we try this , since I think I'd be overdosing on my mono fats or would I?? I don't know I don't know my breakdown of poly vs mono.
Okay instead of having walnuts with meal 3 , I'll replace with olive oil. I can't with the other meals as well I can't mix the olive oil with anything and I don't want to chug it dry unless I ABSOUTLEY have too LOL. But also instead of having pure walnuts I'll have the butter more often , think that would be better??

LOL but there not , they are bigger then me , and I KNOW there joking and then will say I actually have twig legs etc..
But ugh .. it still bothers me kinda ..


But they do have muscles that's the thing! There really lean , and they do have muscles , sure there not huge by any means , but they do.. and they'd hardly be asking me about appearance .. and the thing is , is that they don't even look that skinny , I HATE scrawny guys I find them very unactractive , but there not scrawny ..
Ugh it just pisses me off I don't know anymore...

Tom_B

Guys what part of the back is right behind the waist/ rlower part of rib cage??? is that your lower back?? Cause if so I think I know why my waist might of increased .. lately I've noticed that part of my back have ben increasing greatly .. it sticks out and makes my waist look bigger ..

Tom_B

Training -Cardio
3 minute warm up

Did 20 minutes of fartlek I guess .. highest interval point was at 10.5mph at 6% incline , lowest was 6mph at 6% incline .. omg this killed me I orignally had planned for 30 minutes but I was getting cramps in my right stomach and then my right ribcage started hurting everytime I'd breath

So I then continued to do 5 minutes of 6mph , then 10 minutes at 4mph and then 5 minutes of 5mph .. wanted to do more but my ribs were bothering me way to much and my cramps got horrible ..

Diet -
Meal 1 - skim milk , oats , whey , banana,
*PW* skim milk , oats , whey , banana
Meal 2 - oats , EW , CC , banana, olive oil
Meal 3 - tuna , lettuce , apple ,walnuts , pearl barley
Meal 4 - chicken , olive oil , Sweet Potato , apple
Meal 5 - home made muesli mix (rye / barley / oat flakes) , skim milk , whey , fishies ,PB, CC
Meal 6 - walnuts , CC , fishies


Macros ~
Calories - 2816
Fat - 81G (10G sat)
Carbs - 331G (40G fibre)
Protein - 198G

Water -4L
Additonals - green tea , SF gum , SF maple syrup , lemon juice, peper , SF ketchup,
Sleep - 6 hours
+ 1 hour nap

had a fun night with Corey and Sarah , accidently fell asleep for an hour though LOL , I was so tired we were all kinda laying there listening to music and I dozed off.
Anyways Back day tomorrow can't wait , not ot mention 7 more days of school!!!!!

Emma-Leigh

Knew that already!

Your RIB CAGE = bone. Can't change that (not with any amount of cardio or with any amount of muscle mass). If your rib cage is large then it will be large and you are better off filling out the rest of you with some lean muscle so you look balanced, proportional and symmetrical (rather than trying to shrink things that are non-shrinkable - and so you end up weedy everywhere else).


I don't know tom... This sounds like a pretty big psychological issue that you probably need to address... People touching you (as long as it is not strangers) is usually a sign of friendship/intimacy and something people use to convey positive emotions and feelings. It is meant to be a NICE thing...

The fact that you don't like it might be that you have a fear of letting people in - of allowing people to get to know you..?? Or maybe you have a fear of people rejecting you if they find out what you are truly like?

You really need to sit down and think about why it is you don't like it...

Arggg... You have to hand it to kids - they are completely and utterly stupid sometimes (most times).

Way to call the bloke with a history of anorexia "thunder thighs"!!

Firstly - they are wrong and YOU KNOW IT! - So don't try to pick up on it and let it feed your "got to be sad/angry/unhappy about myself thing"...

You can't take it to heart... You need to be more robust than that.

If you don't like it - ask them to stop (or make it clear to them that you don't want them to call you that anymore).

Why? What is so good about a smaller scale number??

Also - Why do you want to be like 'everyone else'?? Is it because you actually LIKE that or is it because you want to BE like them?? You have to question the motivation behind the feelings...

Also - being 130 and 6'2 is down right unhealthy... You know it - and you cann't think that it is attractive in any way to look like a skeleton in a sack... Sick is not beautiful tom...

**sigh** But - I can't convince you to be healthy.... If you have it in your mind that 'thin' is beautiful then nothing I (or adrian) can say will change that. You have to come to the realisation yourself that what some societies protray as 'beauty' is down right disguisting.

eg: in china - think about foot binding (cause small deformed feet- you know, that's lovely ) or in some middle eastern countries where they feel female circumcision is a good thing (you want to read about a barbaric act - then read about this )...

You have to work out what is important to you - if you want to get strong, lean and healthy then you need to ALLOW yourself to think that strong, lean and healthy IS beautiful....

Also - as Adrian said - you are setting yourself up for a better future. At your age, if you set down the muscle/bone like you are you are going to be able to have it and MAINTAIN it much more easily when you are older (when all your friends finally realise that they want to be strong and lean - and they all hit the gym to do 'bicep curls' and 'bench' and get HYOOGE!! )...

You are also setting your health up for the rest of your life... Better insulin sensitivity, better cholesterol levels, healthier heart, better brain function (exercise helps prevent dementia and other things), less chance of injury (stronger, more muscles, better balance/co-ordination)... The list goes on...


Personally - I think that, if you can manage it, sit at 140 pounds and do the re-comp... Then see how you feel about how you look before you decide to distroy all your hard work and get yourself back to the weight at which you started this whole process.

this really doesn't make sense - you need 2800 cals to maintain your weight, but you would be 'alright' on 2400 cals/day....

That is 400 cals lower than maintainence... Which would result in weight loss...

Unless you have been eating 2400 cals/day all along and you have been telling us fibs about how much you are eating??

Don't "stick it out for us" tom.... Stick it out for yourself.

I don't want you to do it 'for me'... It kind of defeats the purpose of the whole activity.

See the doc and listen to what he suggests. If you don't find an allergy or some other disease (eg: IBD) you could try a few things yourself.

eg:
replace your oats with rolled rye (gluten free) and see if that helps.
replace your cottage cheese with egg-whites/eggs or other proteins and see if that helps

OO .. okay I'll stop , I'd usually have some with my potato fries , and my chicken / broccoli .. I'l reduce. LOL it isn't giving my a laxative effect though!! god I wish it would maybe I wouldn't be cramped up for half the day

That is fine. But no enema's or laxitives ok.


**sigh**

Do what you think is right tom....

Emma-Leigh

Seperate??



You mean you were drinking the MILK and JUICE TOGETHER before!!











**cough**

Sorry.... I'll compose myself again... Just give me a second...





Ok...

Tom - you are a sometimes!!

Juice = Pretty acidic in nature.
Milk = Alkaline.

Reaction = milk curdles (like when it goes RANCID)!!! And tastes PUTRID!

Results =

Well - milk is REALLY anabolic... But it would be better pre-workout if you were going to cut it out from one of the meals....

eg:
Preworkout - milk (or yoghurt), nana + whey
or
Preworkout - milk (or yoghurt), nana, oats + whey
or
Preworkout - milk (or yoghurt), oats + whey

But you will need more than just some milk/yoghurt pre-workout to get the carbs you will need (unless you can drink 60g of carb worth of yoghurt!! )...


PWO your grape juice (as I said before) would be good... eg:
PWO - Whey + Grape juice + oats

or, if you wanted some nana then:
PWO - nana + some juice (so they add up to "1 nana" in total) + oats + whey


Mono fats are good!

Add avocado or olive oil to meal 3 and keep the walnuts/nuts for meals 5 and 6 when you can't add oil (without making some more intersting taste sensations....

I can't believe you added JUICE and MILK together...
*cough*

.... Sorry...

In terms of pure butter v's nuts - no difference nutritionally, it is just whether one bloats you more.

Be strong tom - no one will 'save' you... You got to protect yourself from these things and let their jokes slide off your back.

Thick skin.

Tom - you can't be 130 pounds, 6'2 and have anything resembling a decent amount of 'muscle'...

Either they are not 130 pounds.... or they are not muscular.

Emma-Leigh

sticks out?? How???

BulkMeUp

I think you got Emma oponion. and maybe we found one reason for your Gas.

NOTHING will happen!!!!!! People go through their lives without thinking of balancing their fats. They live for decades. Do you honestly think you will drop dead if you stopped eating nuts for a few days????

I suggest you ABSULOTELY try it. I dont see what is wrong with mixing olive opil with your CC. No it wont taste the same, but we are not trying to make better tasting meals here. We are trying to fix the bloat problem. And it will be only for a few days.

Ok for a start, make the replacements as you suggested and see if there is a diff. I get the feeling you are back to your old ways of making things more complicated than they need be.

I reworked your diet in your old journal. Adjust the cals to get to the level that Emma suggests and give it a try for a week. It is different from what you usually do. So that will show if things make a diff.

They are not bigger than you. They are taller than you. Thats the diff.

I dont think so. Go with them to the pool/beach and you will see more bones and ribs than muscles. NO WAY 6'2"/130 is muscular in any sense. They might have a little more lbm and less bf than you which is why they look 'muscular'. It could be that they have been more physically active for years by playing sports, more than you(or me) have been in the past.

Dont forget you went down to being really really skinny and lost most of your lbm in the process. The only activity you did was cardio. cardio as you have realised by now, does not build muscle. So you need to give yourself time to get back the lbm.

And if you want to build muscle, how does lowering cals help????? I thought you would have learnt a lot in the past year about weight training and feeding muscles to grow..etc..

And oh yes, as Emma said develop a 'thick skin'..i remember saying this in your old journal towards the beginning of it.

BulkMeUp

The backbone is 'S' shaped. That lower part goes in. Dont see how it would stick out.

Tom_B

Opps sorry I wasn't clear on what I meant with some of the things I posted ..

I know that I can't shrink bone LOL I'm blonde but not that blonde .
What I meant was BECAUSE of my large rib cage things can go to one extreme or another .. like how I was before , because my rib cage is so large they stucked out alot , which gives an illusion of being really thin , as well when you would see me first thing that would pop in your head would be "ribs!"
Now with me right now .. because I do have such a large rib cage and I've added more mass to my chest / back it makes me look even more wider .. see with my chest the more mass I've been adding the moremy stomach sticks out = eg. not kinda concaved and becuase I do have such a large rib cage it looks weird , and makes me wider .. now for my back (that area I was talking about) is the worse!! becuase of it it makes my waist look bigger than what it actually is!! ugh damn ribs
It's jsut really complicated , it's somethign you have too see to understand , and it's hard taking pics of it as I have to turn my body to get in the mirror and raise the camera up etc..



Well I didn't mean like if someone came up and touched me on my shoulder or something .. I mean when my damn friends come up grab my love handles then grab the fat on my stomachor something. If anyone touches my stomach or near my stomach that's when I freak out ..


I know there just joking but sometimes it just gets at my skin , she even went to an extent of drawing a picture of me .. ugh. Anyways if they do start saying it again I will tell them to stop .. I just don't want to be mean and make her feel like crap or something when she's just fooling around .. *sigh*


No I wasn't telling that because I was saying I wante dto be like them .. I was using them an examples .. the fact that they don't have any health conditions or problems etc.. not that i want to look like them ..

also yes 130 6'2 , he is very skinny , and I forgot to mention I don't find it attractive. I meant basically everyone else besides him , like his brother the 6'2 140lbs , he plays soccer and is just plain active and very very smart (it's Andrew the guy I'm always talkign about) and he's really actractive , he is muscular , hell the other day me Sarah and Corey were talking about how he was a hot muscular geek. Not to mention the other guy who was my height 135lbs , he's probably our grades biggest jock , if not in the entire school. He plays Hockey , soccer , basketball and is the star person on each team ..
I was jsut giving examples that just cause there like 5 lbs underweight or something that there not unhealthy per say (except 6'2 130lbs , but he looks fine not suffering from anything and plays sports like his brother) so basically it wouldn't be THAT BAD of a thing if say after I do this recomp and I exhaust all my options (adding in cardio , calorie cycling , droping to 2700 cals) and I can't get my bodyfat below 10% wouldn't it be alright just to cut that last 5lbs I would need??

I know ... But I am gonna be strong lean and healthly, I'm sticking this recomp out. I'm not gonna sabatoge all those months I preped for this.

P.S. omg never heard of that femal circumsion thing before that's so sad ..



Yup I'm gonna stick this recomp out ~ just hopefully it's not gonna take like a year or so LOL


Noo ... I meant I think I'd be fine at 2400 cals eg. with bloat etc. It's not as bad on the day I only eat the 2400 cals. But I'm getting rid of that , 2 workouts in one day just doesn't go well with me , so I'm move my back days to Wed.


ok , I'll see this through for me, too see what's under all this fat that I've been working so hard to get ..


Ok, I can't wait for my doc appointement tues , I'm ready to get rid of this thing.



nope no laxitives

Okay i'll keep my cals like I've had them, that way if prgress slows (if it's even begun ) I can always have that as an option.

Tom_B

.. yes I was drinking them together LOL , o god now I know why it was so nasty! I kept thinking to myself "how could anyone drink this crap?!"

Hmm ... maybe I should reconsider dying my hair blonder


Hmm okay.

Well adrian said milk + nana causes bloat ..
So what about if I tried for pre workout skim milk + yogurt + oats + whey. Basically replace the amount of nana I would have (along with a little bit of oats) with yogurt. Wonder how that would taste??

And PWO hmm tryign to think of something. I DO want milk PWO .. hmm what about if in one shake I added a little bit of skim milk + whey + some oats and then in a SEPERATE conatainer I bring some grape juice??

But I shoulder probably just do like a glass of grape juice + oats + whey .



LOL I have no idea what I could add the olive oil to in meal 5 and 6 ..



Well I've always eaten butters and nuts my entire life .. I've always loved them and never had a prob with them (espically PB )
But I guess for now might be best to stick to butters ..


Thanks Emma
She's stoped so far .. but if she says it again I'm jsut gonna ask her to please stop.

O no he's not , he's pretty skinny - but I wan't giving those examples for that reason

Tom_B

No I don't expect to drop dead from having off balanced fats. Just I really don't feel nuts are the problem , I've eaten them all my life!! My entire family eats them non stop , we always have one of those HUGE containers of PB ..
I don't care nesacarrily about the taste of a meal, but I just don't think I can drink oil straight , (or add it in my CC) - ive tried it before and nearly puked. When I was putting olive oil on my sweet potato fries I had that little bit thats always lef ton the TBSP so being curious I licked it. Nearly puked it was so gross ..
I'm not trying to make things complicated .. I jsut thought it'd be best to keep my dietary habits right now untill the tests are over.... won't they only be able to check if I'm allergic (or have a problem with a certain type of food) if I've been eating it?? Like they can't just do a test and find out everything I'm allergic to or causes me discomfort... like for all I know I could be allergic to a weird chinese dish or something , that wouldn't show up on the test ...
Or am I just having another blonde moment?? LOL - I am stupid and that was just my way of thinking. I'd rather put up with this for a little while longer and find out what exactly is causing the problem ..
Or can they figure that out if I start taking things out of my diet??



Nope there bigger than me - not the same people , the person that said that is a girl that's either my weight with a higher BF or around 150 - 160lbs LOL


Ya the 6'2 130lbs dude isn't muscular but the rest are, .. you just need to see them.

O trust me I know .. I don't think there was ever a more skinny fat kid. I lost all my muscle and not too much fat .. espically in my legs , towards the end I could barley walk.

I know that - just with a recomp your suppos to eat slightly lower than maintenance , that was my understanding at least.

I know .. I take what people say to the heart too much .. I don't know I'm always stuck in a rut where I'm trying to please everyone

Tom_B

Well I got my lower lower back that goes in like adrian said. Then right where the bottom of my rib cage is / wasit it actually sticks out , and it keeps growing ..
So I'm guessing that's from lower back work would it be?? if so I think I'm stopping LOL. It looks really bad ..

Tom_B

Training -Back - Width

Wide Grip Lat Pulldown - *30lbs* 1x12 , *70lbs* 2x12 , 1x11 (got a little bit of a headache on this set as well) , 1x 7 + almost 1 more
V - Bar Pulldown - *80lbs* 3x8
Close Grip Lat Pulldown - *30lbs* 1x4 (first time ever doing this) , *70lbs* 1x7 + almost one (Bad M & M here) *60lbs* 2x8 (kinda bothered my elbows)
V Bar Pulldown for Middle Back on Floor - *80lbs* 2x8 , 1x6
DB Preacher Curls - *15lbs* 4x12
DB Curls - *15lbs* 2x12

Great Workout , took everything REALLY Slow , and was in control of everything. Form was great. Had Great M & M connection (all of these espically on wide grip lat pulldowns). The only exercise that wasn't great was the close grip lat pulldowns.

Diet - Well I had to arrange my meals diff considering I woke up an hour and a half late , so gym first thing in the morning was a no - no

Meal 1 - home made muesli mix (rye / barley / oat flakes) , skim milk , whey , fishies ,PB, CC
Meal 2 - tuna , lettuce , apple ,olive oil , pearl barley
Meal 3 - skim milk , oats , whey , banana,
*PW* skim milk , oats , whey , banana,
Meal 4 - oats , EW , CC , banana, olive oil
Meal 5 - chicken , olive oil , Sweet Potato , apple, broccoli
Meal 6 - walnuts , CC , fishies


Macros ~
Calories - 2816
Fat - 81G (10G sat)
Carbs - 331G (40G fibre)
Protein - 198G

OMG .. after meal 2 I think I was gonna die. I don't know what it was , maybe my body didn't like vinnegar , olive oil and miricle whip mixed together or something but the cramps .. o god the cramps. LOL in math class my friend gave me her pills her doctor has her on for when she's PMSing. On the bottle it says "Take 4 capsules daily for the monthly bitchy moments" honest to god . Today I think I broke my record as well. I visitied the potty 6 times today .. six. But I'm fine now , after meal 4 I've been fine..


Water -4L
Additonals - green tea , SF gum , SF maple syrup , lemon juice, SF ketchup, cinnamon , chili powder , garlic powder
Sleep - 7 and a half

Tiring day ugh. I don't know what it was but when I was in work today I started to kinda sweat and I felt like I was confinded in a very small room or something , and I had to constantly keep moving , and then I kinda had no air and I felt muggy and like things were closign in on me. It was really werid , everyone kept asking me if I was alright. Eventually i just had to go outside and let the air get at me...

P.S. it is now almost officaliay summer here!! The temp was 20 degrees! people are getting sun burnt , wearing skirts and t-shirts , flip-flops again. I loves it!

BulkMeUp

Get used to it. When you get your 6 pack, they will have their hands all over your tummy!


If you react badly, that could be cause for further teasing. Just ignore it and pretend it dosent bother you and that you really dont care ("I LOVE my thunder thighs, they make me feel sexy ..."). Or make a joke about it yourself! If they figure it upsets you, then will keep doing it just to upset you and wont really stop unless they know that you are able to and will pumell them to the ground! But if they figure that it dosent bother you and you really dont care what they say/think and they cant really get a reaction out of you, they will figure it is not worth going on with that. Just my 0.2 cents

Thats the spirit!!

Why worry how long it will take you have reached a weight where you dont want to get bigger presen