Boilermaker Cut Down

Burner02 · 12-29-2005, 12:16 PM

'morning!

Archangel · 12-29-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

Thanks again for all the kind thoughts and words concerning Andi's grandfather. It is very much appreciated by myself and my family.

My pleasure my Friend, glad all is well Brother Boiler!!!

Triple Threat · 12-29-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

Yep, holiday is over and it's time to get back to cutting. I don't think the damage is too bad, but I feel pretty bloated from all the junk.

I'm sure that you're not the only one feeling that way these days.

boilermaker · 12-29-2005, 10:21 PM

Well, I used my HR monitor for the first time today. I did some treadmill intervals like I've been doing for a total of about 28 minutes, including warmup and cooldown. Calories burned were 304, Max HR was 176, Avg. HR was 145. How does this look for a cutting program? I need some feedback here on the duration and HR numbers.

**Emma-Leigh** · 12-30-2005, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

Well, I used my HR monitor for the first time today. I did some treadmill intervals like I've been doing for a total of about 28 minutes, including warmup and cooldown. Calories burned were 304, Max HR was 176, Avg. HR was 145. How does this look for a cutting program? I need some feedback here on the duration and HR numbers.

Ok - firstly - don't really bother about the calorie information - it is usually really inaccurate.

But in regards to the HR - It should be based on your working zones - which can be calculated using this online calculator.. It is more accurate because it takes into consideration your resting HR (most others just base it on age).

Generally speaking - with interval type things, your aim would be to get your working interval HR up above 85% max, and your rest intervals dropping under 75%...

But where you need to work also depends on how fit you are and how 'trained' you are in terms of both aerobic and anaerobic conditioning and also your genetics... (this will alter things like how easy it is to get your HR up and what your lactate threshold is)... So it is not really all that 'simple'...

And with that said - it is not going to have a huge impact on your fat loss if you do intervals at 85% v's intervals at 80%... It is minuta detail... What matters more is:
1. you are doing all the other big things (diet, weight training)
2. you are doing enough cardio to help with the diet and the weight training

After that, things like just ensuring that you are working HARD during the intervals if you choose to do intervals is enough!

BritChick · 12-30-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

Yep, holiday is over and it's time to get back to cutting. I don't think the damage is too bad, but I feel pretty bloated from all the junk.

I'm with ya on this one, think my New Years plans are getting cancelled and to tell ya the truth I don't really mind, would be nice to feel good for a change on Jan 1st!
Happy New Year boiler.
Good luck with your cut.

Archangel · 12-30-2005, 07:06 PM

Hows it goin Brother Boiler? Hope all is well with you and yours!!!

boilermaker · 12-30-2005, 07:09 PM

It is going good, Archie! And BC, I don't know if I'll make it to six pack abs, but I'm going to finish this cut a lot better off than I was in September when I found this site and started to work out and eat better

Thank you both for the inspirations!!!

Burner02 · 12-30-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BritChick

I'm with ya on this one, think my New Years plans are getting cancelled and to tell ya the truth I don't really mind, would be nice to feel good for a change on Jan 1st!
Happy New Year boiler.
Good luck with your cut.

what happened to your plans?

b_reed23 · 12-30-2005, 09:37 PM

Hi Boiler! glad the damage wasn't too bad! When are you planning on starting the creatine/bulk?

boilermaker · 12-30-2005, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Emma-Leigh

Ok - firstly - don't really bother about the calorie information - it is usually really inaccurate.

But in regards to the HR - It should be based on your working zones - which can be calculated using this online calculator.. It is more accurate because it takes into consideration your resting HR (most others just base it on age).

Generally speaking - with interval type things, your aim would be to get your working interval HR up above 85% max, and your rest intervals dropping under 75%...

But where you need to work also depends on how fit you are and how 'trained' you are in terms of both aerobic and anaerobic conditioning and also your genetics... (this will alter things like how easy it is to get your HR up and what your lactate threshold is)... So it is not really all that 'simple'...

And with that said - it is not going to have a huge impact on your fat loss if you do intervals at 85% v's intervals at 80%... It is minuta detail... What matters more is:
1. you are doing all the other big things (diet, weight training)
2. you are doing enough cardio to help with the diet and the weight training

After that, things like just ensuring that you are working HARD during the intervals if you choose to do intervals is enough!

Emma, I do intervals because I hate running at a steady state! I feel a lot better if I go one miute walk, 1.5 minute run intervals. This way, I can go hard and know it will be over shortly. Even though I know it will start again in one minute. This just is more satisfying to me than jogging for minutes on end. My interpretaton of your response is just to train hard when you are doing it and you will be fine. So stay on the same program, eat right and lift three times a week on my program and I should get leaner. Is this right?

Emma,you have followed my journey from the start, so, do you think I could have gained 6-8 pounds of muscle? My original goal was to get down to 175 lbs. I don't seem to be losing any more weight, but I seem to be getting more defined in the shoulder/upper arm areas. No six pack in sight, though. What are your thoughts with regard to this?

**CowPimp** · 12-31-2005, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

Emma, I do intervals because I hate running at a steady state! I feel a lot better if I go one miute walk, 1.5 minute run intervals. This way, I can go hard and know it will be over shortly. Even though I know it will start again in one minute. This just is more satisfying to me than jogging for minutes on end. My interpretaton of your response is just to train hard when you are doing it and you will be fine. So stay on the same program, eat right and lift three times a week on my program and I should get leaner. Is this right?

Emma,you have followed my journey from the start, so, do you think I could have gained 6-8 pounds of muscle? My original goal was to get down to 175 lbs. I don't seem to be losing any more weight, but I seem to be getting more defined in the shoulder/upper arm areas. No six pack in sight, though. What are your thoughts with regard to this?

Is there any way you can get ahold of some calipers and track your progress that way. The scale is about worthless by itself, although it is useful when you track other information concurrently.

Archangel · 12-31-2005, 11:13 AM

Have a Great and a Safe New Year my Friend!!!

Pylon · 12-31-2005, 12:45 PM

Have a great New Year's Eve, Boiler. Be safe!

Burner02 · 12-31-2005, 03:07 PM

Hey BM!
I'm kinda the same way with running..(When i used to do it)
even lifting...i'd rather put up a heavier weight for less reps...get bored quick...

If u are stagnating a bit....ya gotzta switch things up abit. Little different cardio? Instead of running...can u do a spin class? Have u tried that? WHEW! It's a killer! Just do some sort of shock-n-awe on the system to get it going again....u have dropped a LOT of weight...your body will plateau a bit to adjust to its new being. Switch it up and attack from a different angle.

gwcaton · 12-31-2005, 05:31 PM

Hey Boiler

Happy New Years !!!

Devlin · 12-31-2005, 07:37 PM

Happy New Year's!!!!

Triple Threat · 12-31-2005, 09:37 PM

Happy New Year, Boiler

**Emma-Leigh** · 12-31-2005, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by boilermaker

Emma, I do intervals because I hate running at a steady state! I feel a lot better if I go one miute walk, 1.5 minute run intervals. This way, I can go hard and know it will be over shortly. Even though I know it will start again in one minute. This just is more satisfying to me than jogging for minutes on end.

Sounds reasonable to me!

No point in doing the hamster thing if you do not like it - there are many ways to skin a cat - and the best thing you can do is something you WILL do... So stick with it!

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My interpretaton of your response is just to train hard when you are doing it and you will be fine. So stay on the same program, eat right and lift three times a week on my program and I should get leaner. Is this right?

To a point - yes... I was really just refering to your cardio and whether or not it would be 'sufficient to burn fat'.

But in terms of your overall program there will come a stage when you will need to alter your calorie intake or macronutrients... or you will need to change your training or the length/intensity of your cardio in order to continue to get results.... But as long as your current program continues to 'stress' your body, it will continue to change to try to adapt to that stress.

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Emma,you have followed my journey from the start, so, do you think I could have gained 6-8 pounds of muscle? My original goal was to get down to 175 lbs. I don't seem to be losing any more weight, but I seem to be getting more defined in the shoulder/upper arm areas. No six pack in sight, though. What are your thoughts with regard to this?

You could have easily gained muscle... And you very likely have...

6-8 pounds?? Hard to say - for a 'noobie' guy, such as yourself, training hard and eating right - this is not an unreasonable figure (seeing as you started from nothing).

You also have to remember that your muscles glycogen stores would have increased over this time too - so you will be carrying around more glycogen and water than when you started... PLUS all the 'connective tissue' that comes along with the muscle would have also developed - so this is going to increase your lean mass too..

The best thing you can do is, as cow said, get measurements of some type.. If you have been doing tape measurements then increases in lean mass would be indicated by increases in your upper arm, shoulder, chest (maybe - depending on how much fat you carried there), calf and maybe your thigh too... Decreases in fat mass would mainly be abdominal/waist decreases - but could also be reflected with your chest, hip and thigh (depends on where you carry the weight).

Strength increases will reflect lean gains (to a certain extent - you can get a lot stronger without adding mass - simply due to neural adaption)...

And, of course, alterations in piccies would also indicate changes...

If you are getting more vascular and defined, then I would certainly say you are still adding mass...

**Emma-Leigh** · 12-31-2005, 10:36 PM

ps:

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

boilermaker · 01-01-2006, 12:53 PM

Hey guys and gals, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!! I was out of town and away from my computer last night, so don't be offended that I didn't wish you all a happy one, too. You were with me in spirit!

Pylon, those puffs I made went over real big. That pate au choux, or however you spell it wasn't hard to make at all. The most difficult thing was getting it into the piping bag. I made a huge mess doing this, but damn, those things turned out awesome. I'd reccomend it to anyone looking for an appetizer to bring to a party. I brought 48 of them and they platter was cleaned by midnight. There was a lot of other stuff there, too. Meatballs, veggie platter, stuffed mushrooms, spinach dip, sausage and cheese platter, cream puffs, olives, shrimp cocktail, crackers and cheese and a sandwich platter. Me and the gal that brought the mushrooms were the only ones that didn't bring something store bought. Her mushrooms were real good too.

Here is what I stuffed the puffs with:

two cans lump crab meat
1 packaged of cream cheese
1/2 shallot
4 strips of bacon (cooked in microwave until crispy)
Salt and pepper
Sherry to taste (I think it was about 2 Tbs.)

topped with grated asiago and chopped parsley

Thanks for the Help, Pylon!!!!

dougnukem · 01-01-2006, 02:43 PM

Happy New Year, you puff-stuffer! (sorry, I couldnt resist

) Hope your New Year brings you the happiness and success that you and your family deserve.

b_reed23 · 01-01-2006, 08:19 PM

HAPPY NEW YEAR B!

Burner02 · 01-03-2006, 10:38 AM

Happy New Year, BM!
Hmm...getting hungry...must...eat.....

boilermaker · 01-03-2006, 04:50 PM

Hey there. Well, its my turn to be sick. Head is all stuffed up and I feel like crap. Worse, I'm on the road for work in Sandusky, OH and have to go out to dinner with a customer soon. No workouts for a while. Back on track tomorrow with diet and exercise. Diet wasn't bad today, just not enough food.

dougnukem · 01-03-2006, 05:00 PM

That sucks man. Rest up, and eat what you can. Hope you feel better.

12-29-2005, 12:16 PM	#691
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12-29-2005, 10:21 PM	#694
boilermaker On a Mission! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,290 Photos: 4	Thursday - 12/29 Well, I used my HR monitor for the first time today. I did some treadmill intervals like I've been doing for a total of about 28 minutes, including warmup and cooldown. Calories burned were 304, Max HR was 176, Avg. HR was 145. How does this look for a cutting program? I need some feedback here on the duration and HR numbers.
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12-30-2005, 07:06 PM	#697
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,183 Photos: 4	Hows it goin Brother Boiler? Hope all is well with you and yours!!!
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12-30-2005, 07:09 PM	#698
boilermaker On a Mission! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,290 Photos: 4	It is going good, Archie! And BC, I don't know if I'll make it to six pack abs, but I'm going to finish this cut a lot better off than I was in September when I found this site and started to work out and eat better Thank you both for the inspirations!!!
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12-30-2005, 09:37 PM	#700
b_reed23 this is why I'm hot! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 5,298 Photos: 34	Hi Boiler! glad the damage wasn't too bad! When are you planning on starting the creatine/bulk?
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12-31-2005, 11:13 AM	#703
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,183 Photos: 4	Have a Great and a Safe New Year my Friend!!!
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12-31-2005, 12:45 PM	#704
Pylon Squishy Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Top 5!!! Posts: 6,478 Photos: 3	Have a great New Year's Eve, Boiler. Be safe!
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12-31-2005, 03:07 PM	#705
Burner02 Super Hero in Training Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tip of the spear! Posts: 28,324	Hey BM! I'm kinda the same way with running..(When i used to do it) even lifting...i'd rather put up a heavier weight for less reps...get bored quick... If u are stagnating a bit....ya gotzta switch things up abit. Little different cardio? Instead of running...can u do a spin class? Have u tried that? WHEW! It's a killer! Just do some sort of shock-n-awe on the system to get it going again....u have dropped a LOT of weight...your body will plateau a bit to adjust to its new being. Switch it up and attack from a different angle.
	Success leaves clues. People who produce outstanding results do specific things to create those results Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing NOW to solve our problem THERE IS NO TOMORROW! - Appollo Creed

12-31-2005, 05:31 PM	#706
gwcaton Lookin' for abs ! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: central missouri Posts: 9,271 Photos: 28	Hey Boiler Happy New Years !!!
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12-31-2005, 07:37 PM	#707
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12-31-2005, 09:37 PM	#708
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01-01-2006, 12:53 PM	#711
boilermaker On a Mission! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,290 Photos: 4	Hey guys and gals, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!! I was out of town and away from my computer last night, so don't be offended that I didn't wish you all a happy one, too. You were with me in spirit! Pylon, those puffs I made went over real big. That pate au choux, or however you spell it wasn't hard to make at all. The most difficult thing was getting it into the piping bag. I made a huge mess doing this, but damn, those things turned out awesome. I'd reccomend it to anyone looking for an appetizer to bring to a party. I brought 48 of them and they platter was cleaned by midnight. There was a lot of other stuff there, too. Meatballs, veggie platter, stuffed mushrooms, spinach dip, sausage and cheese platter, cream puffs, olives, shrimp cocktail, crackers and cheese and a sandwich platter. Me and the gal that brought the mushrooms were the only ones that didn't bring something store bought. Her mushrooms were real good too. Here is what I stuffed the puffs with: two cans lump crab meat 1 packaged of cream cheese 1/2 shallot 4 strips of bacon (cooked in microwave until crispy) Salt and pepper Sherry to taste (I think it was about 2 Tbs.) topped with grated asiago and chopped parsley Thanks for the Help, Pylon!!!!
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01-01-2006, 02:43 PM	#712
dougnukem The American Dream Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 1,802 Photos: 6	Happy New Year, you puff-stuffer! (sorry, I couldnt resist ) Hope your New Year brings you the happiness and success that you and your family deserve.
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01-01-2006, 08:19 PM	#713
b_reed23 this is why I'm hot! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 5,298 Photos: 34	HAPPY NEW YEAR B!
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01-03-2006, 10:38 AM	#714
Burner02 Super Hero in Training Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tip of the spear! Posts: 28,324	Happy New Year, BM! Hmm...getting hungry...must...eat.....
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01-03-2006, 04:50 PM	#715
boilermaker On a Mission! Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,290 Photos: 4	Hey there. Well, its my turn to be sick. Head is all stuffed up and I feel like crap. Worse, I'm on the road for work in Sandusky, OH and have to go out to dinner with a customer soon. No workouts for a while. Back on track tomorrow with diet and exercise. Diet wasn't bad today, just not enough food.
	My Journal: Are We Almost There Yet?

01-03-2006, 05:00 PM	#716
dougnukem The American Dream Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 1,802 Photos: 6	That sucks man. Rest up, and eat what you can. Hope you feel better.
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