Time to face the jury (and myself)

Trouble · 09-10-2006, 11:46 PM

Whoa, Reds a big mother. 6'2 or 6'3, maybe 255? In very decent shape. Nice toyz.

Peanut Gallery: I live out West. That theres our typical for a greetin. Don't get me started, I can do a mean Will Rogers dialectic when it suits.

Dev: Okey dokey, know this type of headache well (comment on the sinus med was the give away)l. I'll post my rationale for treating and preventing them tomorrow.

See the HR on that walk? You must have been on an incline. Still, you had a reaction typical of what I would expect for a stressful week. Bet you cut corners on sleep for a couple o days, too. Dehydration takes a good 2-3 days to recover from, meanwhile its not uncommon to see a HR like this in a stressed and tired individiual.

I'm glad you weren't doing the more dangerous work with the colts and fillies. Hope this next week sees you in safe work again; weather should be a bit more seasonable.

The Monkey Man · 09-10-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Devlin

The Monkey Man-

Nice reaction

I thought she was talking to you -

I feel you on the dehydration...
My Labor day hike messed me up for 5 days

Devlin · 09-11-2006, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Trouble

Whoa, Reds a big mother. 6'2 or 6'3, maybe 255? In very decent shape. Nice toyz.

Peanut Gallery: I live out West. That theres our typical for a greetin. Don't get me started, I can do a mean Will Rogers dialectic when it suits.

Dev: Okey dokey, know this type of headache well (comment on the sinus med was the give away)l. I'll post my rationale for treating and preventing them tomorrow.

See the HR on that walk? You must have been on an incline. Still, you had a reaction typical of what I would expect for a stressful week. Bet you cut corners on sleep for a couple o days, too. Dehydration takes a good 2-3 days to recover from, meanwhile its not uncommon to see a HR like this in a stressed and tired individiual.

I'm glad you weren't doing the more dangerous work with the colts and fillies. Hope this next week sees you in safe work again; weather should be a bit more seasonable.

Actually Trouble he's the shorter one, 5'6 I believe, but he is in very decent shape.

I won't venture a guess on his weight becuase I'm horrible at guessing people's weight. The pics do not do him justice

Yeah I did cut corners on sleep and I know this week I can't because by the end of the week I will be getting up much earlier than usual. I really felt the dehydration and atleast took sunday off from the gym.

The beginning of the week should be quiet, I hope, but come friday I'm back working with the colts and fillies all day for the whole weekend.

Devlin · 09-11-2006, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by b_reed23

hi Dev!!! I am now going to go see if Red has posted nude pictures....

If he did, someone would need to pick me up off the ground and perform CPR.

Burner02 · 09-11-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Trouble

Peanut Gallery: I live out West. That theres our typical for a greetin. Don't get me started, I can do a mean Will Rogers dialectic when it suits.

did I just get called a peanut????

West? Like...where?
Will Rogers...Happy Trails to you!

Trouble · 09-11-2006, 09:31 AM

Beg pardon to Red; misread facial features in your photos. Weight would be somewhere between 180-185. Yes, in good physical condition.

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Burner, I saw your comments on your neck hurting. Must be nerves regrowing into the scar tissue. I didn't call you a peanut; I named you as a denizen of the peanut gallery (Devs journal fan club).

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Devlin: I had these headaches from 1979-2001. They are caused by over activity of NMDA receptors. I'm working with a clever forum member on M2 who has cluster headaches - he is goldmine of useful info. He and I believe that its tied into excess excitatory chemistry. In me, I can count on having to fight one off if: I get dehyrated, I miss meals, I have interrrupted sleep or cut corners on sleep. Its far worse if I have injested fats that promote inflammation (cheese, for instance). And its more prevalent with monthly shifts in progesterone/estrogen ratio. Its more rare in men. Its typical in men with high aromatase enzyme expression in liver.

I find simple augmenting with taurine, magnesium, inositol, and a small bit of GABA will stop the progression of inflammation. Once it gets rolling (untreated), esp if there is dehydration, it becomes difficult to reverse quickly.

Since I began using this regimine, and took better care to avoid histamine triggers (that lead to congestion) and dehyration, while avoiding excess saturated fats and using more EPA and DHA, my headaches have become very rare - couple times a year at most. Almost always, when I get them, its after doing several very long days intense fieldwork, without many breaks, barely hydrates and underfed, and having to cut corners on sleep.

I found a product called Aching Head Rub. I use it on the back of my neck when the headache starts, and consume a LOT of water, with those ions/aminos. It relaxes those tensed muscles and delivers potent analgesics directly to the site of concentrated prostaglandin release (base of skull). Works like a charm. You can find it at Amazon.com

sgtklotz · 09-11-2006, 10:20 AM

Trouble

actualy my weight then was about 150, dropped some since I didn't do a thing when I was home on leave but work on my car and house and be out on the lake.

Trouble · 09-11-2006, 11:39 AM

The shot of you at your desk, was at a bodyweight of 150? The ones in front of the rigs, yes. What is your bodyweight now, Red? You drop lean mass easily?

Pylon · 09-11-2006, 11:56 AM

I could buy 150 as his weight in front of the PC....assuming he's only 4 ft tall....

Burner02 · 09-11-2006, 12:46 PM

I think the shadow of my ass weighs about 150....oops..did I say that out loud??

Burner02 · 09-11-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouble

Burner, I saw your comments on your neck hurting. Must be nerves regrowing into the scar tissue. I didn't call you a peanut; I named you as a denizen of the peanut gallery (Devs journal fan club).

then, a denzian I am!

oh...i think I slept wrong that night...it's much better now, thank you!

Devlin · 09-11-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouble

The shot of you at your desk, was at a bodyweight of 150? The ones in front of the rigs, yes. What is your bodyweight now, Red? You drop lean mass easily?

The shot of him at the desk....I'd guess he was up over 160. The ones in front of the trucks, 150. Yes he drops weight fast, especially given his diet

not only when he is overseas, but especially when he is home. (I'm so going to get my butt beat for that one

) It would help if someone got their ass to the gym when they are state side

Devlin · 09-11-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pylon

I could buy 150 as his weight in front of the PC....assuming he's only 4 ft tall....

Ok he's short, but not that short

As I mentioned above, I'd guess he was an easy 160 in the pic in front of the PC with low body fat as usual.

Devlin · 09-11-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Burner02

I think the shadow of my ass weighs about 150....oops..did I say that out loud??

Devlin · 09-11-2006, 06:42 PM

Trouble: Interesting info on the migraines. I know I had cut serious corners regarding sleep. That changes this week. Bedtime will be getting earlier and earlier every day so I can manage to get up at 3:30-4am fri, sat and sun. Hormones are naturally increasing right now and should peak in a couple days. What doses of the taurine, magnesium and inositol would you suggest? I have noticed since I have been taking individual vitamins (E, ester C, B complex, taurine, tyrosine, zinc) along with the usual extra calcium, vitamin D, glucosamine, chondrotin, and MSM, that I have overall felt better, more balanced. The migraines this weekend were the first in a while that were that bad.

The freeze gel I use on my forehead I believe works similar to the Aching Head Rub you mentioned. The freeze gel I use has menthol, camphor, Yerba mate in it.

Pylon · 09-11-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Devlin

The freeze gel I use on my forehead I believe works similar to the Aching Head Rub you mentioned. The freeze gel I use has menthol, camphor, Yerba mate in it.

What's the brand you use? My wife has occasional migranes, and anything that might help out is worth a shot...

Devlin · 09-11-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pylon

What's the brand you use? My wife has occasional migranes, and anything that might help out is worth a shot...

The human brand of the freeze gel is called Bio Freeze. http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keyw...code=qs&page=1 The brand I use is called HPQR (High Performance Quick REcovery). It is marketed for horses, but is made by the same company as Bio Freeze and has the same exact ingridents.

Pylon · 09-11-2006, 08:00 PM

I've used bio-f before, but never thought about it's app as a headache remedy. How do you use it? A little on the temples and forehead?

Devlin · 09-11-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pylon

I've used bio-f before, but never thought about it's app as a headache remedy. How do you use it? A little on the temples and forehead?

A light coating on the temples, forehead and back of neck into shoulders if needed.

Trouble · 09-11-2006, 10:06 PM

Stuff I am recommending is different than biofreeze. I would apply whatever you use to back of neck, under jawline up beside front and back of ears (to drain lymph glands in face), then use on upper back and shoulders. Wouldn't use my Aching Head Rub on face. Mildly occlusive agent.

As you dehydrate, the parotid glands become backuped as salivary secretions thicken. THey become inflammed and cause that familiar back pressure feeling and tenderness under the jawline, common for vascular/cluster/migraine type headaches resistant to convention pain killers.

sgtklotz · 09-11-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Devlin

The shot of him at the desk....I'd guess he was up over 160. The ones in front of the trucks, 150. Yes he drops weight fast, especially given his diet

not only when he is overseas, but especially when he is home. (I'm so going to get my butt beat for that one

) It would help if someone got their ass to the gym when they are state side

Yeah i do drop weight easily and fast. Too many years of doing just that for wrestling. Yes diet sucks here, too crazy of a schedule for what we do, very erratic. Plus not easy access to food and what we have in our house is all canned or boxed stuff. With heat over 130 makes ya kinda not hungry esp carrying around 70 lbs of extra gear all day long. SO yeah you'll get yours for that comment LOL but i'm guilty of it.

b_reed23 · 09-12-2006, 12:35 AM

I like him already

Devlin · 09-12-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtklotz

SO yeah you'll get yours for that comment LOL but i'm guilty of it.

Bring it on

Devlin · 09-12-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by b_reed23

I like him already

He does fit in doesn't he

09-11-2006, 11:56 AM	#3099
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09-11-2006, 12:46 PM	#3100
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09-11-2006, 06:42 PM	#3105
Devlin Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: KY Posts: 3,278 Photos: 27	Trouble: Interesting info on the migraines. I know I had cut serious corners regarding sleep. That changes this week. Bedtime will be getting earlier and earlier every day so I can manage to get up at 3:30-4am fri, sat and sun. Hormones are naturally increasing right now and should peak in a couple days. What doses of the taurine, magnesium and inositol would you suggest? I have noticed since I have been taking individual vitamins (E, ester C, B complex, taurine, tyrosine, zinc) along with the usual extra calcium, vitamin D, glucosamine, chondrotin, and MSM, that I have overall felt better, more balanced. The migraines this weekend were the first in a while that were that bad. The freeze gel I use on my forehead I believe works similar to the Aching Head Rub you mentioned. The freeze gel I use has menthol, camphor, Yerba mate in it.
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09-11-2006, 08:00 PM	#3108
Pylon Squishy Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Top 5!!! Posts: 6,473 Photos: 3	I've used bio-f before, but never thought about it's app as a headache remedy. How do you use it? A little on the temples and forehead?
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09-12-2006, 12:35 AM	#3112
b_reed23 this is why I'm hot! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 5,241 Photos: 34	I like him already
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09-10-2006, 11:46 PM	#3091
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	Whoa, Reds a big mother. 6'2 or 6'3, maybe 255? In very decent shape. Nice toyz. Peanut Gallery: I live out West. That theres our typical for a greetin. Don't get me started, I can do a mean Will Rogers dialectic when it suits. Dev: Okey dokey, know this type of headache well (comment on the sinus med was the give away)l. I'll post my rationale for treating and preventing them tomorrow. See the HR on that walk? You must have been on an incline. Still, you had a reaction typical of what I would expect for a stressful week. Bet you cut corners on sleep for a couple o days, too. Dehydration takes a good 2-3 days to recover from, meanwhile its not uncommon to see a HR like this in a stressed and tired individiual. I'm glad you weren't doing the more dangerous work with the colts and fillies. Hope this next week sees you in safe work again; weather should be a bit more seasonable.

09-11-2006, 09:31 AM	#3096
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	Beg pardon to Red; misread facial features in your photos. Weight would be somewhere between 180-185. Yes, in good physical condition. ------------------------------------------ Burner, I saw your comments on your neck hurting. Must be nerves regrowing into the scar tissue. I didn't call you a peanut; I named you as a denizen of the peanut gallery (Devs journal fan club). ------------------------------------------ Devlin: I had these headaches from 1979-2001. They are caused by over activity of NMDA receptors. I'm working with a clever forum member on M2 who has cluster headaches - he is goldmine of useful info. He and I believe that its tied into excess excitatory chemistry. In me, I can count on having to fight one off if: I get dehyrated, I miss meals, I have interrrupted sleep or cut corners on sleep. Its far worse if I have injested fats that promote inflammation (cheese, for instance). And its more prevalent with monthly shifts in progesterone/estrogen ratio. Its more rare in men. Its typical in men with high aromatase enzyme expression in liver. I find simple augmenting with taurine, magnesium, inositol, and a small bit of GABA will stop the progression of inflammation. Once it gets rolling (untreated), esp if there is dehydration, it becomes difficult to reverse quickly. Since I began using this regimine, and took better care to avoid histamine triggers (that lead to congestion) and dehyration, while avoiding excess saturated fats and using more EPA and DHA, my headaches have become very rare - couple times a year at most. Almost always, when I get them, its after doing several very long days intense fieldwork, without many breaks, barely hydrates and underfed, and having to cut corners on sleep. I found a product called Aching Head Rub. I use it on the back of my neck when the headache starts, and consume a LOT of water, with those ions/aminos. It relaxes those tensed muscles and delivers potent analgesics directly to the site of concentrated prostaglandin release (base of skull). Works like a charm. You can find it at Amazon.com

09-11-2006, 10:20 AM	#3097
sgtklotz Ssgtklotz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KY Posts: 12 Photos: 5	Trouble actualy my weight then was about 150, dropped some since I didn't do a thing when I was home on leave but work on my car and house and be out on the lake.

09-11-2006, 11:39 AM	#3098
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	The shot of you at your desk, was at a bodyweight of 150? The ones in front of the rigs, yes. What is your bodyweight now, Red? You drop lean mass easily?

09-11-2006, 10:06 PM	#3110
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	Stuff I am recommending is different than biofreeze. I would apply whatever you use to back of neck, under jawline up beside front and back of ears (to drain lymph glands in face), then use on upper back and shoulders. Wouldn't use my Aching Head Rub on face. Mildly occlusive agent. As you dehydrate, the parotid glands become backuped as salivary secretions thicken. THey become inflammed and cause that familiar back pressure feeling and tenderness under the jawline, common for vascular/cluster/migraine type headaches resistant to convention pain killers.