Bloodied, but unbound

**DOMS** · 09-07-2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rocco32

Still looking good in here. Sounds like a bit of overtraining with the lack of motivation. I think changing the Eccentric time is good, I never thought about little changes in intensity like that affecting overtraining. Thanks for bringing that up, it's in my mellon now

The eccentric phase is where a the majority of the damage (in the good sense) is done to the muscles. It's probably also where the most taxing is done on the CNS. I say "probably" because this is just conjecture on my part. I'll have to do read up on it.

I'm really tring to keep the intensity, and volume as close to my limit without blowing out my CNS. So I'm working with all the variables to hit that sweet spot. Or, as the Fab 5 would say, I'm "tszujing" my workout.

**DOMS** · 09-07-2006, 01:39 PM

I guess I should note in my journal that I'm going to see an orthopedic specialist on the 14th. I have a bit of pain in my left shoulder. It only happens when I rise my arm over my head with 25 pounds or more. Actually, it's more like a feeling of discomfort than pain. I suspect that is might be interference from scar tissue from an injury that I had about 9 months ago.

Such is life...

**fufu** · 09-07-2006, 06:04 PM

Careful with that shoulder. Shoulder injurys are nothing to mess with. As you probably already know.

**DOMS** · 09-07-2006, 06:40 PM

As always fufu, your support gives me the warm and fuzzies.

I'm being reasonable careful. If you look back over my journal, you'll see that I've done several things to mitigate the stress I place on my shoulders. They include:

Dropping many BB exercises.
Increasing the intensity of my shoulder workouts without increasing the weight used (shorter RI, pre-exhausting, seated exercises).
Dropping "awkward" exercises like Single-arm Triceps Extensions.
The inclusion of rotational exercises.
Doing fewer sets on shoulder exercises.

Plus, thought it's not in my journal, I've been trying various recovery routines for my shoulder.

**fufu** · 09-07-2006, 07:52 PM

OHhhhh, very good then

**DOMS** · 09-07-2006, 08:37 PM

Speaking of shoulders...

Good news everyone! I just lost a shirt. I blew out the left shoulder seam (along the rear) of one of favorite shirts today.

**DOMS** · 09-08-2006, 06:03 AM

Recovery Journal

Hours of sleep: 7
Sleep quality: 10
Sleep interrupted: 0
Muscle soreness: 1
Joint soreness: 0
General fatigue: 0
Desire to train: 10
Motivation: 9
Morning HR: 72 BPM

My fatigue is back to 0, but I still had to push a little to get myself out of bed.

08/09/2006

**Rocco32** · 09-08-2006, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Speaking of shoulders...

Good news everyone! I just lost a shirt. I blew out the left shoulder seam (along the rear) of one of favorite shirts today.

What the hell dude?!? I've tried that...putting on like XXsmall to try and rip it, just makes my fat bounce around more

Congrats!!!

**DOMS** · 09-08-2006, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Rocco32

What the hell dude?!? I've tried that...putting on like XXsmall to try and rip it, just makes my fat bounce around more

Congrats!!!

That's what I get for buying from the thrift store.

Fat? Ha! I doubt that! I see your avatar. My entire back is like a portion of your back.

I am Rocco's hard working infraspinatus.

**Decker** · 09-08-2006, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

As always fufu, your support gives me the warm and fuzzies.

I'm being reasonable careful. If you look back over my journal, you'll see that I've done several things to mitigate the stress I place on my shoulders. They include:

Dropping many BB exercises.
Increasing the intensity of my shoulder workouts without increasing the weight used (shorter RI, pre-exhausting, seated exercises).
Dropping "awkward" exercises like Single-arm Triceps Extensions.
The inclusion of rotational exercises.
Doing fewer sets on shoulder exercises.

Plus, thought it's not in my journal, I've been trying various recovery routines for my shoulder.

All I have to offer is anecdotal evidence but I went through shoulder pain too a few years ago. It was damn near debilitating. I worked through it by doing increased warm-ups--rotating the arms and multiple lightweight warmup sets. In retrospect, some rowing would have alleviated much of the problem.

After seeing your choice of Single-arm Tricep extensions, I decided to give it a shot. My first impression was that the exercise felt unstable in my shoulder. (I try to avoid exercises that I can't cheat at--negative reps)

The volume of your schedule still amazes me. Every 3 months or so I get burned out on lifting and take a few weeks off. If I attempted your schedule (at my advanced age) I'd be burning out every month. Congratulations to your constitutions. I am envious.

Oh by the way, I took my wife horseback riding on our last day of vacation--she had a blast. Me, I got Apache the Wonderhorse--that fucker threw me once, tried to crush my legs against trees and, according to my wife, Apache was getting one off on some high bushes and was sporting a major boner. I'm not even spared humiliation on a vacation.

**Burner02** · 09-08-2006, 08:35 AM

you could have pulled a 'Conan the Barbarian' and punched the horse....

**DOMS** · 09-08-2006, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Decker

All I have to offer is anecdotal evidence but I went through shoulder pain too a few years ago. It was damn near debilitating. I worked through it by doing increased warm-ups--rotating the arms and multiple lightweight warmup sets. In retrospect, some rowing would have alleviated much of the problem.

After seeing your choice of Single-arm Tricep extensions, I decided to give it a shot. My first impression was that the exercise felt unstable in my shoulder. (I try to avoid exercises that I can't cheat at--negative reps)

What exactly was wrong with your shoulder? How long did it take to heal? Is it completely recovered?

I've been doing quite a bit of warmup and doing exercises that work the supporting musculature. I only have 4 more days of working out until I meet with the doctor. I just need my shoulder to hold out for that long. I suppose that I could simply stop working out until then, but I suppose I could also hit myself in the crotch with a hammer; But neither one of those are going to happen.

Originally Posted by Decker

The volume of your schedule still amazes me. Every 3 months or so I get burned out on lifting and take a few weeks off. If I attempted your schedule (at my advanced age) I'd be burning out every month. Congratulations to your constitutions. I am envious.

Like I've said before, there's no guarantee that I can keep up this kind of volume. Although, I must say that this morning's workout went by smoothly without the 3 second eccentrics. I've also found out that by doing 1/x/1/x, I get quite a good pump. Which is something I haven't really had since doing 1/x/3/x.

Don't be envious, it's more stupidity than stamina.

Originally Posted by Decker

Oh by the way, I took my wife horseback riding on our last day of vacation--she had a blast. Me, I got Apache the Wonderhorse--that fucker threw me once, tried to crush my legs against trees and, according to my wife, Apache was getting one off on some high bushes and was sporting a major boner. I'm not even spared humiliation on a vacation.

And now you've immortalized it here on IM. It sounds like you had a good trip! Now get back to work!

My last horse ride was more like Indiana Jones than your Blazzing Saddles.

**DOMS** · 09-08-2006, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Burner02

you could have pulled a 'Conan the Barbarian' and punched the horse....

I'm telling PETA!!!

**Burner02** · 09-08-2006, 09:40 AM

heh...I'd eat a nice, juicy steak RIGHT in front of their headquarters...

**DOMS** · 09-08-2006, 07:18 PM

Well, I decided to forgoe my shoulder workout today despite my desire to do otherwise. Oh well, now where did I leave my hammer...?

AM
DB Press (RI 3, 1/x/1/x)
65 @ 6
65 @ 6
65 @ 6
65 @ 5

Fly (RI 2, 1/1/1/x)
55 @ 6
55 @ 6
55 @ 6
55 @ 6

Skullcrusher (RI 2, 1/x/1/x)
60 @ 6
60 @ 6
60 @ 6
60 @ 6
- Add 5

Decline DB Triceps Extension (RI 2, 1/x/1/x)
25 @ 6
25 @ 6
25 @ 6
25 @ 6

Kickbacks (RI 2, 1/x/1/x)
- Ran out of time.

PM
- Cancelled.

08/09/2006
KW: chest, pecs, triceps, shoulders, delts, punk ass bitch

**DOMS** · 09-09-2006, 03:24 PM

Recovery Journal

I almost forgot to post this.

I've decided to take the day off and catch up on some things that I've been neglecting and give my should a bit of extra rest. Damn, I wish it was Thursday.

Hours of sleep: 10
Sleep quality: 10
Sleep interrupted: 1 (bathroom)
Muscle soreness: 0
Joint soreness: 0
General fatigue: 0
Desire to train: 10
Motivation: 10
Morning HR: 72 BPM

09/09/2006

**CowPimp** · 09-09-2006, 04:55 PM

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle....5-015-training

**CowPimp** · 09-09-2006, 04:55 PM

Oops, meant to comment. I just thought that article might interest you during this super high volume/frequency phase of training you're doing. If there was ever a time enhanced recovery could help, now is it!

**DOMS** · 09-09-2006, 05:59 PM

Thanks CowPimp. I'm already doing some of those. I really want to give cryotherapy and that hot chick a try.

If the Restorative Pulse Electromyostimulation device is not too expensive, I'll try that too.

**DOMS** · 09-10-2006, 07:51 AM

I'm not going to workout until I meet with the orthopedic specialist on Thursday. So I'm going to record my BMP as a baseline. Something I regretted not having done before I started my new routine.

BMP: 72

**fufu** · 09-10-2006, 08:46 AM

Good luck!

**DOMS** · 09-10-2006, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by fufu

Good luck!

Thanks man. I hope I can hold out until Thursday.

**DOMS** · 09-11-2006, 08:36 AM

Recovery Journal

Is it Thursday yet?

Morning HR: 72 BPM

10/09/2006

**KelJu** · 09-11-2006, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'm not going to workout until I meet with the orthopedic specialist on Thursday. So I'm going to record my BMP as a baseline. Something I regretted not having done before I started my new routine.

BMP: 72

That is funny; I have to see the orthopedic specialist Thursday also. Look on the bright side, we can both still do legs and abs. My legs are going to be bad ass. At least that is how I look at it to keep from falling in a slump. We can't stop and feel sorry for oursleves on account of our injuries, you know?

**DOMS** · 09-11-2006, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

That is funny; I have to see the orthopedic specialist Thursday also. Look on the bright side, we can both still do legs and abs. My legs are going to be bad ass. At least that is how I look at it to keep from falling in a slump. We can't stop and feel sorry for oursleves on account of our injuries, you know?

I'm a bodybuilding junkie. I have to go cold turkey. If it turns out that I have to abstain from shoulder workouts past Thursday, I'll create a new, shoulderless, routine. Until then, nada.

My appointment is at 3:30 PM, when's yours?

**KelJu** · 09-11-2006, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'm a bodybuilding junkie. I have to go cold turkey. If it turns out that I have to abstain from shoulder workouts past Thursday, I'll create a new, shoulderless, routine. Until then, nada.

My appointment is at 3:30 PM, when's yours?

Too weird...mine is at 3:00pm.

**Rocco32** · 09-11-2006, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

That's what I get for buying from the thrift store.

Fat? Ha! I doubt that! I see your avatar. My entire back is like a portion of your back.

I am Rocco's hard working infraspinatus.

I love that movie!!!

**Rocco32** · 09-11-2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Thanks CowPimp. I'm already doing some of those. I really want to give cryotherapy and that hot chick a try.

If the Restorative Pulse Electromyostimulation device is not too expensive, I'll try that too.

Everything you listed works well and has scientific evidence to back it up except for the girl. Let me try her out for a few weeks and then I'll report my findings to you...just to be safe

**DOMS** · 09-11-2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Too weird...mine is at 3:00pm.

You're the bitch that took the 3:00 PM time slot!

**Decker** · 09-11-2006, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

What exactly was wrong with your shoulder? How long did it take to heal? Is it completely recovered?

I had pain in the front part of the left shoulder joint. I couldn't BP cold 150#. I don't know what the nature of the injury was but back in those days I cared more for lifting than my own physical well-being. That's why I worked through it. I no longer have any pain (in 20 years, who knows?) but before every single set I do now, I rotate my left arm to see if it pops....like a knuckle. So far, so good.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I've been doing quite a bit of warmup and doing exercises that work the supporting musculature. I only have 4 more days of working out until I meet with the doctor. I just need my shoulder to hold out for that long. I suppose that I could simply stop working out until then, but I suppose I could also hit myself in the crotch with a hammer; But neither one of those are going to happen.

That's exactly how I felt at the time...nothing and I mean nothing kept me from lifting. In my opinion, you need that fire to build strength and a decent physique. Good for you--that's the biggest part of training: developing that psychological gumption.

Originally Posted by DOMS

...And now you've immortalized it here on IM. It sounds like you had a good trip! Now get back to work!

My last horse ride was more like Indiana Jones than your Blazzing Saddles.

Indiana Jones....shit, I wish. Back to work for the likes of me indeed.

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