H (Hybrid) I (Intensity) T (Training) - Angel Style

Brutus_G · 02-11-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Which is like I said, they are at their maintenece level. Most powerlifters try to stay around that because if they ever have to cut weight its very tough to cut weight and keep strength. I do believe pl'ing requires more calories. And I do believe powerlifting boosts your metabolism much more than a bodybuilding routine. Simply because it puts so much more stress on the cns. So while you see alot of food, they see their maitenence level.

I know Dave Tate was eating 10000 calories before he stoped powerlifitng.

Double D · 02-11-2007, 11:52 AM

Pretty ridiculous. I wonder if theres any need for that?!?!

camarosuper6 · 02-11-2007, 11:54 AM

Im a firm believer in high cals for strength and mass training. If you time things properly, you can eat 7000 cals in a day, and keep fat gain to a minimal if you do things properly

(cut off carbs after 7, 1.5 grams of protein per lb, HIIT cardio on off days, or at least moderately intense cardio, etc)

Brutus_G · 02-11-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Pretty ridiculous. I wonder if theres any need for that?!?!

I think he was 300 something trying to gain weight lol.

Brutus_G · 02-11-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Im a firm believer in high cals for strength and mass training. If you time things properly, you can eat 7000 cals in a day, and keep fat gain to a minimal if you do things properly

(cut off carbs after 7, 1.5 grams of protein per lb, HIIT cardio on off days, or at least moderately intense cardio, etc)

depends on metabolism and size.

camarosuper6 · 02-11-2007, 11:56 AM

Well of course metabolisms adjust accordingly, but the rules still apply. To gain mass you need to eat a higher number of calories, and the fastest way to acheive that is eating as if you were the size of the person you wanted to become.

Brutus_G · 02-11-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Well of course metabolisms adjust accordingly, but the rules still apply. To gain mass you need to eat a higher number of calories, and the fastest way to acheive that is eating as if you were the size of the person you wanted to become.

What do you feel is the ideal weight gain per week?

Double D · 02-11-2007, 12:05 PM

I definitly feel this varies big time between actual powerlifting athletes and the everyday pl'ing joe. You can put up some big numbers without gaining weight.

Brutus_G · 02-11-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

I definitly feel this varies big time between actual powerlifting athletes and the everyday pl'ing joe. You can put up some big numbers without gaining weight.

So true i've lost 4-5 pounds and have gained 20 pounds on my squat.

Double D · 02-11-2007, 12:11 PM

Exactly. So thats why I say I dont believe your calories have to be in excess to be good at powerlifting and put up big numbers. Hell we arent ever going to be pros at it, so why act like it and eat enourmous amounts of cals?

camarosuper6 · 02-11-2007, 12:27 PM

Strength isnt directly correlated to size, so diet isnt quite as important. I think the ideal weight gain per week will vary. I think someone could put on a solid 30lbs in a years time if they eat like it, with the majority being muscle/water/glycogen.

Andalite · 02-11-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutus_G

I know Dave Tate was eating 10000 calories before he stoped powerlifitng.

u forgot to mention the roids brotha

Archangel · 02-12-2007, 03:18 PM

Wow, I go and get sick and I come back to a ton of info, I love it!!!
Still under the weather a bit, but decided to HIT it anyway!!!

2-12-07
BACK/BICEPS

RC=4/pause/2/pause

BACK
Pullovers
190x15

CG Pulldowns
220x6
r/p 10 seconds
220x3
r/p 10 seconds
220x1 1/2 + 1 Negative

Deadlifts
335x6
r/p enough to strip weight off
225x13

BICEPS
Preacher Curls
90x10
r/p 10 seconds
90x3
r/p 10 seconds
90x1 + 1 Negative

On a side note:
I agree you don't have to go overboard w/calories to Powerlift, however there is NO way I can Powerlift on a Hard Cut getting ready for a show, so I'm now leaning 75-25 towards Powerlifting!!!

Not that anyone cares, LOL!!!

Brutus_G · 02-12-2007, 03:34 PM

I never liked the mental drain of Hit, i think you'll end up liking not going to failure much better.

Archangel · 02-12-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutus_G

I never liked the mental drain of Hit, i think you'll end up liking not going to failure much better.

It is mentally draining, thats for sure!!! But I will prolly still encorporate HIT/Heavy Duty principles in my PLing routine!!!

WantItBad · 02-12-2007, 07:53 PM

I think you can lift like a powerlifter and still bodybuild at the same time.....

Pylon · 02-13-2007, 05:29 PM

Heya Archie. just checking in to see how things are in your casa. Everyone warm and safe?

Archangel · 02-13-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WantItBad

I think you can lift like a powerlifter and still bodybuild at the same time.....

I agree 100%............................UNTIL the hard cut!!!

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Originally Posted by Pylon

Heya Archie. just checking in to see how things are in your casa. Everyone warm and safe?

Thanks my Friend, we are all warm and safe!!!

Archangel · 02-14-2007, 02:14 PM

Don't have long, gettin ready for Valentines Dinner!!! Just droppin in to say My Friend and I have come to an agreement, we are pursuing PLing and letting the BBing aspect go for now at least!!! We are working on a routine, when done I'll post it!!! Have a Great Valentines everyone!!!

JerseyDevil · 02-14-2007, 06:17 PM

Can't wait to see the routine Arch!

Brutus_G · 02-15-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

It is mentally draining, thats for sure!!! But I will prolly still encorporate HIT/Heavy Duty principles in my PLing routine!!!

Then that's not really powerlifting unless you just mean on the 14 +rep sets and on the 1rms.

b_reed23 · 02-15-2007, 01:47 PM

I'm looking forward to it...your lifts are always insane Arch

Double D · 02-16-2007, 11:19 AM

Whats up Arch? Hope all is well.

Archangel · 02-16-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Can't wait to see the routine Arch!

About to be unveiled, LOL!!!

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Originally Posted by Brutus_G

Then that's not really powerlifting unless you just mean on the 14 +rep sets and on the 1rms.

Why isn't it??? Anyone who knows me can vouch for me, I do NOT follow to the T on anything, I ALWAYS put my little twist on things, of course they will always have something to do with the Intensity Principles!!!

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Originally Posted by b_reed23

I'm looking forward to it...your lifts are always insane Arch

Why thank you Sister Billie!!!

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Originally Posted by Double D

Whats up Arch? Hope all is well.

How goes it my Friend, All is well here!!! Going to a Bench only PLing meet tomorrow I just found out about, should be fun and interesting!!!

Archangel · 02-16-2007, 04:14 PM

Here it is!!!

My twist on the 5x5 routine

Mon.
Squat 5x5
Leg Press - Rest/Pause
SLDL's - Rest/Pause
Calve work - Rest/Pause

Wed.
Flat BB Bench Press 5x5
Incline DB Press alternated w/ Seated Overhead Presses - Rest/Pause
CG BB Bench - Rest/Pause
Pushdowns - Rest/Pause

Fri.
Deadlifts 5x5
Dorian Rows alternated w/ Seated Rows - Rest/Pause
Hyperextensions - Rest/Pause ss w/ Ab work - Rest/Pause
BB Curls - Rest/Pause

There it is, the 5x5 with a twist of Angel!!!

Will be starting a new journal since this is a totally different path than I am used to, Wish me luck or laugh at me, its all good!!!

Also on a side note:
Will be doing this for 4 weeks, and then doing Heavy Duty for 4 weeks, conducting an experiment on progression here!!!

02-11-2007, 11:52 AM	#422
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	Pretty ridiculous. I wonder if theres any need for that?!?!
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02-11-2007, 11:54 AM	#423
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,325	Im a firm believer in high cals for strength and mass training. If you time things properly, you can eat 7000 cals in a day, and keep fat gain to a minimal if you do things properly (cut off carbs after 7, 1.5 grams of protein per lb, HIIT cardio on off days, or at least moderately intense cardio, etc)
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02-11-2007, 11:56 AM	#426
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,325	Well of course metabolisms adjust accordingly, but the rules still apply. To gain mass you need to eat a higher number of calories, and the fastest way to acheive that is eating as if you were the size of the person you wanted to become.
	"TOLERANCE is the virtue of a man without convictions" G.K.Chesterton Boot Shine and Polish $15. New Uniforms: $250 New gun and holster: $450 Looking like a stud in uniform: Priceless Girl: Me and this new guy are getting kinda chummy. Me: Good chummy? Like friends forever? Girl: Ya Me: Or Chummy like, spank my ass chummy?

02-11-2007, 12:05 PM	#428
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	I definitly feel this varies big time between actual powerlifting athletes and the everyday pl'ing joe. You can put up some big numbers without gaining weight.
	www.crossfit.com

02-11-2007, 12:11 PM	#430
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	Exactly. So thats why I say I dont believe your calories have to be in excess to be good at powerlifting and put up big numbers. Hell we arent ever going to be pros at it, so why act like it and eat enourmous amounts of cals?
	www.crossfit.com

02-11-2007, 12:27 PM	#431
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,325	Strength isnt directly correlated to size, so diet isnt quite as important. I think the ideal weight gain per week will vary. I think someone could put on a solid 30lbs in a years time if they eat like it, with the majority being muscle/water/glycogen.
	"TOLERANCE is the virtue of a man without convictions" G.K.Chesterton Boot Shine and Polish $15. New Uniforms: $250 New gun and holster: $450 Looking like a stud in uniform: Priceless Girl: Me and this new guy are getting kinda chummy. Me: Good chummy? Like friends forever? Girl: Ya Me: Or Chummy like, spank my ass chummy?

02-12-2007, 03:18 PM	#433
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,178 Photos: 4	Wow, I go and get sick and I come back to a ton of info, I love it!!! Still under the weather a bit, but decided to HIT it anyway!!! 2-12-07 BACK/BICEPS RC=4/pause/2/pause BACK Pullovers 190x15 CG Pulldowns 220x6 r/p 10 seconds 220x3 r/p 10 seconds 220x1 1/2 + 1 Negative Deadlifts 335x6 r/p enough to strip weight off 225x13 BICEPS Preacher Curls 90x10 r/p 10 seconds 90x3 r/p 10 seconds 90x1 + 1 Negative On a side note: I agree you don't have to go overboard w/calories to Powerlift, however there is NO way I can Powerlift on a Hard Cut getting ready for a show, so I'm now leaning 75-25 towards Powerlifting!!! Not that anyone cares, LOL!!!
	"I can do ALL things through Christ, who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13 "For NOTHING is impossible with GOD" - Luke 1:37

02-12-2007, 03:34 PM	#434
Brutus_G Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,903 Photos: 24	I never liked the mental drain of Hit, i think you'll end up liking not going to failure much better.
	"People do it everyday, they talk to themselves... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."-Tyler Durden

02-12-2007, 07:53 PM	#436
WantItBad WantItBad Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,077 Photos: 22	I think you can lift like a powerlifter and still bodybuild at the same time.....
	"Strength is the product of struggle" "Your greatest challenge isn't another person. Its the burning in your lungs and the burning in your legs, its the voice in your head screaming STOP you cant do anymore. But you dont listen. You push harder and you start to hear a the whisper of YOU CAN. You realize you are not the person you thought you were is no match for the person you are."

02-13-2007, 05:29 PM	#437
Pylon Squishy Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Missing...presumed having a good time Posts: 6,319 Photos: 3	Heya Archie. just checking in to see how things are in your casa. Everyone warm and safe?
	"For beverages, I only drink water or whiskey and when I’m drinking whiskey, it’s usually when I’m working out. It gives me the courage to lift more than I can when I’m sober." - C. Bratton Fresh Start Journal

02-14-2007, 02:14 PM	#439
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,178 Photos: 4	Don't have long, gettin ready for Valentines Dinner!!! Just droppin in to say My Friend and I have come to an agreement, we are pursuing PLing and letting the BBing aspect go for now at least!!! We are working on a routine, when done I'll post it!!! Have a Great Valentines everyone!!!
	"I can do ALL things through Christ, who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13 "For NOTHING is impossible with GOD" - Luke 1:37

02-14-2007, 06:17 PM	#440
JerseyDevil Done Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,176	Can't wait to see the routine Arch!

02-15-2007, 01:47 PM	#442
b_reed23 this is why I'm hot! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 5,139 Photos: 34	I'm looking forward to it...your lifts are always insane Arch
	My Journal!

02-16-2007, 11:19 AM	#443
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 9,901	Whats up Arch? Hope all is well.
	www.crossfit.com

02-16-2007, 04:14 PM	#445
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,178 Photos: 4	Here it is!!! My twist on the 5x5 routine Mon. Squat 5x5 Leg Press - Rest/Pause SLDL's - Rest/Pause Calve work - Rest/Pause Wed. Flat BB Bench Press 5x5 Incline DB Press alternated w/ Seated Overhead Presses - Rest/Pause CG BB Bench - Rest/Pause Pushdowns - Rest/Pause Fri. Deadlifts 5x5 Dorian Rows alternated w/ Seated Rows - Rest/Pause Hyperextensions - Rest/Pause ss w/ Ab work - Rest/Pause BB Curls - Rest/Pause There it is, the 5x5 with a twist of Angel!!! Will be starting a new journal since this is a totally different path than I am used to, Wish me luck or laugh at me, its all good!!! Also on a side note: Will be doing this for 4 weeks, and then doing Heavy Duty for 4 weeks, conducting an experiment on progression here!!!
	"I can do ALL things through Christ, who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13 "For NOTHING is impossible with GOD" - Luke 1:37