About that time II (training)

Pylon · 01-17-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Andalite

hhmmmm....a narrow minded "grown-up" individual playing the age card on me without knowing me, huh? oh well....im thinking: should i bother responding?

no.

Hey, I don't get accused of being a grown up very often. Thanks.

But the bottom line is there are a ton of people who know a whole lot on the subject, spending their lives on it. You shouldn't dismiss their knowledge so quickly.

(BTW, declaring any move to be "the worst" would be the definition of close minded. People who live in tin houses shouldn't throw can openers.)

Andalite · 01-17-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pylon

But the bottom line is there are a ton of people who know a whole lot on the subject, spending their lives on it. You shouldn't dismiss their knowledge so quickly.

ok i think ill respond to this. the rest uve typed to show me ur a macho guy. i dont need to bother responding to that to satisfy ur ego.

but this is interesting. u are aware that a LOT of ppl who have been lifting for longer than u and me combined are aware of the fact that the upright row sucks and use it either sparingly or through its subtle variations like wide-grip or cleans or high pulls or power cleans, right?

Andalite · 01-17-2007, 09:40 PM

ok so i thought perhaps u know what ur talking about in relation to upright rows.

so i went and i reread (for the 9th and 10th time on some) the articles at www.westside-barbell.com

westside doesnt like upright rows

then i went and reopened Mark Rippetoe's books (i have them both).

mark rippeote doesnt think too highly of upright rows. hence they are not even mentioned.

then i went and i searched madcow's site for upright rows being mentioned on the bill starr 5x5 programs

no luck

so i decided to look up their value over at DC....they dont like upright rows too much either...

then i went and i searched on IA's site. he doesnt really love the lift.

hmm.....guess they're all 18 year olds like me too, huh?

Andalite · 01-17-2007, 09:43 PM

oh, and last i recall...even Iron Man doesnt like upright rows. he doesnt even like deadlifts being trained to failure. actually, he's right: the deadlift is the most taxing lift ever...training it to failure aint a good idea...

bt back to topic: i opened arnie's book and yeah: he recommends the use of upright rows....oh and yes: so does ronnie.......but i guess if i didt listen to them and if i didnt dedicate a special day each week for arms i wouldnt be a good teenager, huh?

Pylon · 01-17-2007, 10:28 PM

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ok i think ill respond to this. the rest uve typed to show me ur a macho guy. i dont need to bother responding to that to satisfy ur ego.

Easier to skip it than to defend against? I'm ok with that.

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oh, and last i recall...even Iron Man doesnt like upright rows. he doesnt even like deadlifts being trained to failure. actually, he's right: the deadlift is the most taxing lift ever...training it to failure aint a good idea...

I've heard of him. Didn't get run off from these parts a while back? Or am I thinking of someone else? And when did we start talking about deadlifts to failure? ("Most taxing lift ever?" It's an ass kicker, but let's not go down this road right now.)

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bt back to topic: i opened arnie's book and yeah: he recommends the use of upright rows....oh and yes: so does ronnie.......but i guess if i didt listen to them and if i didnt dedicate a special day each week for arms i wouldnt be a good teenager, huh?

I think you proved my point. There are mixed opinions on the lift. Good for some, not for other. Looks like you're learning.

And don't get so defensive about being young. It's not a knock, it's just a fact. You'll grow out of it, I promise. But part of youth is having to realize you can't always speak as an expert on a topic and expect to be acknowledged as such, whether you are one or not.

Pylon · 01-17-2007, 10:31 PM

BTW, sorry to clutter up your journal, Dub.

Andalite · 01-17-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pylon

Easier to skip it than to defend against? I'm ok with that.

im the kid here......rrrriiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhttttttt.. ........

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I think you proved my point. There are mixed opinions on the lift. Good for some, not for other. Looks like you're learning.

no, there are some opinions which are unanimously shared:
1.) they are not the BEST exercise for ur delts
2.) they do lead to shoulder injuries
3.) u are not supposed to go balls-out on them

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you can't always speak as an expert on a topic and expect to be acknowledged as such, whether you are one or not.

that is irrespective of age.....

Pylon · 01-18-2007, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Andalite

im the kid here......rrrriiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhttttttt.. ........

Well....yeah. You are.

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no, there are some opinions which are unanimously shared:
1.) they are not the BEST exercise for ur delts
2.) they do lead to shoulder injuries
3.) u are not supposed to go balls-out on them

Ah, but your earlier comment was:

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but i have to add here: doing upright rows is the studest thing one can do for a whole bunch of reasons which i do not have the energy to get into....

i just want to say this to anyone who is interested in upright rows: this THE most unnatural and abusive exercise for ur shoulders. if u value ur shoulders and ur health please do not do them.

Had you made your the first set of comments instead of the second, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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that is irrespective of age.....

Yes, but is especially true with youth because it is such an easy thing upon which to measure and judge someone.

Malley · 01-18-2007, 08:51 AM

On a lighter a better note, heres my DE Bench day

Speed Bench
185x2 (10 sets)

DB Bench
100x6 *EASY
110x6
115x6
*Well guys these are going up and I knew once I started doing them they would no problem!

Cable Rows
220x10
230x10
235x10

Pullups
BWx10
BWx10
BWx10
*Nice and strict, but I was pooped after those Rows.

Seated OH Press
185x6 *Very Easy!!!
205x6 PR!!!
205x6 PR!!!

Skulls
125x6
135x6
135x5 *One more and I wouldve reached failure and you guys know how much I hate failure!!!

Hammer Curls
55x10
55x10
55x8
*First 2 were very easy, but I fizzled out.

Bent over side raises
30x10
30x10
*Both very easy, but working on form

Side Lateral
45x10

Workout Time 1 hour and 20 minutes (Wouldve been shorter, but wasnt working out by myself)

Overall I thought it was a massive workout. The OH Presses were amazing!!! I dont know where it came from, I guess it was all of the stress from losing my job built into that lift! Plus DB Press are going up as well. Up 10lbs from last week. Now I am trying to get back to that 365 bench I had about 3 years ago! Along with Skulls at 135 for 8-10 reps. One of these days I tell ya!

Tom_B · 01-18-2007, 09:12 AM

That's one fucking hardcore workout right there!! Holy shit DoubleD seriously..

God I'd be happy (well more like ECSTATIC) just throwing up HALF of those numbers! Keep going for those PR's your on a streak!

Malley · 01-18-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Andalite

upright rows are the worst thing u can do.

I can throw a big disagree with that. The worst thing you could do for it would be swinging a 50lb sledge hammer around your head with it....

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However I would have to say if you feel no pain from upright rows then these are fine to do. I for one like em. While I wouldnt suggest them for every single program, now and then they are a god lift to suplement. And I think most would agree with me on this one.

Malley · 01-18-2007, 09:15 AM

It was that week I took off it made me much stronger and I am hoping to atleast get back to my 330 bench and then back to my all time high of 365. But we shall see.

Malley · 01-18-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_B

Gah .. sorry to hear about the work situation...
But hey look at it from the positive - now not only will you have 'set' days, but if you were to pursue a job in personal training, you'd actually be doing something you love and is already a larger part of your life. Only problem would be the relocating and how your little girls would react to it..
For advice on becoming a PT I would probably PM P-funk, DaleMabry or Cowpimp.. they all could give you some good tips and advice.
But what about your friend that owns that gym 45 minutes away? The one that offered you a free gym membership a while back? Would you maybe be able to set something up with him? That way you wouldn't have to worry about relocating ASAP and you wouldn't be that far from your current location and you as well as your little girls could easily keep in contact with friends..

Best wishes to Ya DoubleD.

The thing with that gym he owns is I just dont think theres enough people there to make any money. However I do think my girls would be fine by relocating simply because they are young yet. Ones 4 and the others 1. I will look into it.

Malley · 01-18-2007, 09:21 AM

Thanks Tom. I have been eating like a hog and my midsetion is showing it. However I think that around softball time I will have to problem losing that blubber. My diet is ok, but my activity level is pretty low. Keep in mind I live in BFE. And theres no where to go around here to get some sort of activity going on. But as soon as summer is here, I play ball about 5 days a week.

BTW-thanks for the reponse, I was very pleased with that workout.

Pylon · 01-18-2007, 09:27 AM

Nice work Dub. I second Tom's response on those numbers!

Malley · 01-18-2007, 09:37 AM

I dont care to see alot of cluttering my journal with a huge argument anyore either. I would just soon if theres any argument go ahead and take it to the training section.

I am not trying to be rude guys, please realize that, but I dont want for people to have to go back 3 pages to find a workout. Thanks guys.

Malley · 01-18-2007, 09:37 AM

BTW-Thanks Py, I was impressed with myself!!!!

AKIRA · 01-18-2007, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

On a lighter a better note, heres my DE Bench day

Speed Bench
185x2 (10 sets)

DB Bench
100x6 *EASY
110x6
115x6
*Well guys these are going up and I knew once I started doing them they would no problem!

Cable Rows
220x10
230x10
235x10

Pullups
BWx10
BWx10
BWx10
*Nice and strict, but I was pooped after those Rows.

Seated OH Press
185x6 *Very Easy!!!
205x6 PR!!!
205x6 PR!!!

Skulls
125x6
135x6
135x5 *One more and I wouldve reached failure and you guys know how much I hate failure!!!

Hammer Curls
55x10
55x10
55x8
*First 2 were very easy, but I fizzled out.

Bent over side raises
30x10
30x10
*Both very easy, but working on form

Side Lateral
45x10

Workout Time 1 hour and 20 minutes (Wouldve been shorter, but wasnt working out by myself)

Overall I thought it was a massive workout. The OH Presses were amazing!!! I dont know where it came from, I guess it was all of the stress from losing my job built into that lift! Plus DB Press are going up as well. Up 10lbs from last week. Now I am trying to get back to that 365 bench I had about 3 years ago! Along with Skulls at 135 for 8-10 reps. One of these days I tell ya!

Holy shit, thats a lot of volume. This is the kind of workout I used to do years ago, but I didnt incooporate pulls on push days.

135lbs on skulls?! Fuck, I am pretty sure I couldnt do that, not for 5 reps!

I like the seated OH Press numbers,

I havent done them in months. I am walys standing or seated, but with light DBs. I dont remember my personal best. I think it might had been 205 too...

Even the hammer curls are impressive. How the fuck is your chest behind everything else? And what kind of template is this?

(I had to take a gander in the journal today when you commented in mine about the 115lb DBs.)

Malley · 01-18-2007, 10:01 AM

This is westside, however I did a little more than normal. My body responds so well to volume! Although I am one of the few that it actually does. I wont hit upper again until like next Monday though. I give plenty of rest and plenty of food and I am normally fine. I do believe my chest is lagging. Hell I am DB rowing 150's for reps so I would figure I would be able to bench atleast 350, but this is just not the case.

fufu · 01-18-2007, 10:48 AM

Wow, noice job on everything. Crazy workout. You the man!

Triple Threat · 01-18-2007, 11:18 AM

Look who jumped on the PR band-wagon.

Brutus_G · 01-18-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

This is westside, however I did a little more than normal. My body responds so well to volume! Although I am one of the few that it actually does. I wont hit upper again until like next Monday though. I give plenty of rest and plenty of food and I am normally fine. I do believe my chest is lagging. Hell I am DB rowing 150's for reps so I would figure I would be able to bench atleast 350, but this is just not the case.

Amen brother D

Very wicked workout you probably scared the women and personal trainers with that sic lifting.

Malley · 01-18-2007, 04:30 PM

Brutus remember I dont lift in a gym. I lift in my garage. Thanks guys, I needed a workout like that!!!

Andalite · 01-18-2007, 05:09 PM

hey D: im done arguing. i came here to cheer u on. sorry i took a tangent. dont worry, im 100% on board now!

Andalite · 01-18-2007, 05:09 PM

hey D...i was thinking...u know in the westside thread u set up, i posted some Westside programs....u might want to have a look at that....at the routines i mean</

01-17-2007, 09:40 PM	#273
Andalite PowerBuilder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas, USA Posts: 468	ok so i thought perhaps u know what ur talking about in relation to upright rows. so i went and i reread (for the 9th and 10th time on some) the articles at www.westside-barbell.com westside doesnt like upright rows then i went and reopened Mark Rippetoe's books (i have them both). mark rippeote doesnt think too highly of upright rows. hence they are not even mentioned. then i went and i searched madcow's site for upright rows being mentioned on the bill starr 5x5 programs no luck so i decided to look up their value over at DC....they dont like upright rows too much either... then i went and i searched on IA's site. he doesnt really love the lift. hmm.....guess they're all 18 year olds like me too, huh?
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01-17-2007, 09:43 PM	#274
Andalite PowerBuilder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas, USA Posts: 468	oh, and last i recall...even Iron Man doesnt like upright rows. he doesnt even like deadlifts being trained to failure. actually, he's right: the deadlift is the most taxing lift ever...training it to failure aint a good idea... bt back to topic: i opened arnie's book and yeah: he recommends the use of upright rows....oh and yes: so does ronnie.......but i guess if i didt listen to them and if i didnt dedicate a special day each week for arms i wouldnt be a good teenager, huh?
	PowerBuilding Journal Part 1 www.StrengthMill.net www.BodyBuilding.net

01-17-2007, 10:31 PM	#276
Pylon Squishy Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Top 5!!! Posts: 6,478 Photos: 3	BTW, sorry to clutter up your journal, Dub.
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01-18-2007, 08:51 AM	#279
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	On a lighter a better note, heres my DE Bench day Speed Bench 185x2 (10 sets) DB Bench 100x6 EASY 110x6 115x6 Well guys these are going up and I knew once I started doing them they would no problem! Cable Rows 220x10 230x10 235x10 Pullups BWx10 BWx10 BWx10 Nice and strict, but I was pooped after those Rows. Seated OH Press* 185x6 Very Easy!!! 205x6 PR!!! 205x6 PR!!! Skulls* 125x6 135x6 135x5 One more and I wouldve reached failure and you guys know how much I hate failure!!! Hammer Curls* 55x10 55x10 55x8 First 2 were very easy, but I fizzled out. Bent over side raises* 30x10 30x10 Both very easy, but working on form Side Lateral* 45x10 Workout Time 1 hour and 20 minutes (Wouldve been shorter, but wasnt working out by myself) Overall I thought it was a massive workout. The OH Presses were amazing!!! I dont know where it came from, I guess it was all of the stress from losing my job built into that lift! Plus DB Press are going up as well. Up 10lbs from last week. Now I am trying to get back to that 365 bench I had about 3 years ago! Along with Skulls at 135 for 8-10 reps. One of these days I tell ya!
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01-18-2007, 09:15 AM	#282
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	It was that week I took off it made me much stronger and I am hoping to atleast get back to my 330 bench and then back to my all time high of 365. But we shall see.
	www.crossfit.com

01-18-2007, 09:12 AM	#280
Tom_B Tom_B Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Amherst, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 3,589	That's one fucking hardcore workout right there!! Holy shit DoubleD seriously.. God I'd be happy (well more like ECSTATIC) just throwing up HALF of those numbers! Keep going for those PR's your on a streak!

01-18-2007, 09:21 AM	#284
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	Thanks Tom. I have been eating like a hog and my midsetion is showing it. However I think that around softball time I will have to problem losing that blubber. My diet is ok, but my activity level is pretty low. Keep in mind I live in BFE. And theres no where to go around here to get some sort of activity going on. But as soon as summer is here, I play ball about 5 days a week. BTW-thanks for the reponse, I was very pleased with that workout.
	www.crossfit.com

01-18-2007, 09:27 AM	#285
Pylon Squishy Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Top 5!!! Posts: 6,478 Photos: 3	Nice work Dub. I second Tom's response on those numbers!
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01-18-2007, 09:37 AM	#286
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	I dont care to see alot of cluttering my journal with a huge argument anyore either. I would just soon if theres any argument go ahead and take it to the training section. I am not trying to be rude guys, please realize that, but I dont want for people to have to go back 3 pages to find a workout. Thanks guys.
	www.crossfit.com

01-18-2007, 09:37 AM	#287
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	BTW-Thanks Py, I was impressed with myself!!!!
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01-18-2007, 10:01 AM	#289
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	This is westside, however I did a little more than normal. My body responds so well to volume! Although I am one of the few that it actually does. I wont hit upper again until like next Monday though. I give plenty of rest and plenty of food and I am normally fine. I do believe my chest is lagging. Hell I am DB rowing 150's for reps so I would figure I would be able to bench atleast 350, but this is just not the case.
	www.crossfit.com

01-18-2007, 10:48 AM	#290
fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,442 Photos: 7	Wow, noice job on everything. Crazy workout. You the man!
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01-18-2007, 11:18 AM	#291
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,480 Photos: 6	Look who jumped on the PR band-wagon.

01-18-2007, 04:30 PM	#293
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	Brutus remember I dont lift in a gym. I lift in my garage. Thanks guys, I needed a workout like that!!!
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01-18-2007, 05:09 PM	#294
Andalite PowerBuilder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas, USA Posts: 468	hey D: im done arguing. i came here to cheer u on. sorry i took a tangent. dont worry, im 100% on board now!
	PowerBuilding Journal Part 1 www.StrengthMill.net www.BodyBuilding.net

01-18-2007, 05:09 PM	#295
Andalite PowerBuilder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas, USA Posts: 468	hey D...i was thinking...u know in the westside thread u set up, i posted some Westside programs....u might want to have a look at that....at the routines i mean</