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My plans have been dashed! No medium pizza for me tonight. Sigh

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Tom_B

Right there with you, I use to be overweight, and developed a eating disorder myself, so I know where you're coming from.
But heres the thing Brutus, carbohydrates themselves DID NOT MAKE US OVERWEIGHT. The combination of excess calories + inactivity + highly processed carbohydrates containing little/no fiber, vitamins or minerals + Low protein is what made us overweight. We would sit on our ass all day and eat junk.
There is nothing wrong or to fear about whole grains such as oatmeal, oat bran, brown rice etc. They provide FIBER, VITAMINS, MINERALS! They're HEALTHY and by no means will they make you "fat" (especially in combination with a solid training routine performed at the correct intensity + frequency, and a good dose of protein and fats to accompany them.). How can you argue the fact that eliminating an entire food group as being part of a healthy diet? Hell Its extremely arguable that even eliminating carbs from your diet would even be good for body composition! Carbs play an important role in hormonal production, and your argument that carbs make you hungry is debatable as well. A good amount of Fiber (which can be found in the carbs you avoid) + Healthy fats + Protein is going to have the greatest satiety effect on your hunger.
But yes I agree with you .. you don't see too many people binging on steak and broccoli (I could however..), but I can guarantee you someone that sticks to eating only protein + veggies will eventually binge. Your setting your body up for one, you deprive yourself for so long and your body will let you know. However you treat your body well, you give it healthy amounts of everything it needs (including all those good vitamins/minerals found in carbs) and you can just sit back and watch the magic happen on body compostion.
Look at my gallery - I eat carbs, tons of them. But that hasn't prevented me from getting lean, if anything it has actually helped! (ps I'm actually a bit leaner now than what I am in those pics ... while eating carbs!)

Living a healthy lifestyle, while maintaining a healthy body means Balance. You can't find Balance whilst you deprive your body of something as essential as carbohydrates.

Pylon

Hey Dub -

Quick story. I knew a guy who was sitting in a bar and had some kid get all up in his grill. Dude looked at him, leaned back and said "You know, the interesting this is you don't know the first thing about me or who I am." Then he went back to his drink. Dude slinked away.

The point is, you never know who is out there. Be careful. Good story, tho.

"For beverages, I only drink water or whiskey and when I’m drinking whiskey, it’s usually when I’m working out. It gives me the courage to lift more than I can when I’m sober." - C. Bratton

Malley

Me and my buddy were talking and this whole story just seems unreal to me. I cant get over the nonsense that did happen. Normally my fights are over my wife. Someone gets smart with her and then a fight ensues. I am not the one who starts the fights however. You know I would think that at 5 foot 10 and around 210 people would think it through, but the fact is they dont. I have taken my lumps in the past and handed my share out, however I do agree with Stew. The thought of him pulling a knife and them being about 10 to our 2 was definitly scary. I know sometimes I need to swallow my pride, but damn its tough. If I stay around home this normally doesnt happen, but seems like every damn time I leave the county I get put through some dumb shit like this.

On another note you guys wont believe this:::::

I think my wife is preganant!!!!!! We shall find out for sure tommorow, but I need a boy I got 2 beautiful girls, but I need a boy.

Oh and training starts WEDS!!!!! I cant wait!!! I want to go back to westside, what do you guys think?

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Pylon

Fantastic news, Dub! My wife is due with our second boy at the end of next month. Good luck!

"For beverages, I only drink water or whiskey and when I’m drinking whiskey, it’s usually when I’m working out. It gives me the courage to lift more than I can when I’m sober." - C. Bratton

Burner02

yeah...blades suck...

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Burner02

wahoo! Hopefully, congrats, D!

yeah...you being a little largetr than your average guy and muscular...people are gonna want to test you. My friend; 6'2" , 210 and lean/musclar...I hear about some of the same type of stories he has to tell...
maybe 'cause I am all of 5'9"...I don't get messed w/ like that?

Success leaves clues. People who produce outstanding results do specific things to create those results

Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing NOW to solve our problem

THERE IS NO TOMORROW!
- Appollo Creed

Stewart20

Damn D, possibly 3 kids at age 25 WOW! I am 32 and just on my first, hehe.
you really need to post some pictures of yourself on here so we can see what all the fuss is about. We need a visual for all these crazy stories!

on to the training....why don't you just try some instinctive training for a couple of weeks until you know for sure what you really want to do. Meaning, have a general idea of what body parts you want to do, but just do whatever exercises and set/rep scheme you feel like doing on that day. Of course, try to follow some kind of progression so you aren't spinning your wheels, but I find it's a nice change when you are undecided about a set routine to follow, just do whatever you feel like. As long as you keep increasing the weights, you should be fine

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Stewart20

does your friend go out of his way to make sure people see his muscles? By that I mean does he wear tight shirts, or really tight short sleeve shirts in the winter time, you know, the kind of thing that overly draws attention to the fact that he is muscular?

you know those guys, you see them at bars in the middle of winter wearing tight ass ribbed t-shirts, while everyone else is wearing long sleeve shirts or sweaters. I have to laugh at them cause it is so obvious what they are trying to do, and maybe that's why people start with them cause they are just asking for it maybe?

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Brutus_G

I never said to never eat them. You should always have a carb up when on low carb diets. I also never said to eat only steak and broccoli, you should also eat healthy fats from varied sources. Veggies from varied sources should be eat protein from varied sources should be eaten. It can be argued that our ancestors didn't eat carbs(in the since of grains). There are more important nutrients in fruits and veggies of bright colors than carbs if you had to choose veggies or carbs(for health reasons) i think you would choose veggies. Also it should be noted i never said there was anything wrong with black eyed peas, chick peas so on. If you eat nuts,fruit,and veggies you get plenty of carbs. While i was eating 3000 calories i was eating 120g of carbs all that came from was nuts,seeds,veggies(including black eyed peas),and fruit. That 120g of carbs was 60g of fiber. The total amount of carbs to fiber is almost always higher in veggies than in carbs ie
green beans 120G serving 4g of carbs 2g of fiber. 20 calories

oatmeal(quaker old fashioned) 40g serving 27g of carbs 4g of fiber. 150 calories

Now thats a pretty crap amount of fiber per carbs.
Oatmeal
DV of
vitamin a 0% vitamin c 0% calcium 0% Iron 10%

Green beans (in a can)
DV of
Vitamin a 6% vitamin c 2% Calcium 4% iron 4%

It is also well noted that high carb diets cause inflammation so many problems stem from this ,but a few of the very well know ones are heart disease, ashma, and arthritis. First thing most notice after 1-3 weeks of low carb dieting is the lack of joint pain(if preexisting) also this is one of the main reasons we take fish oil is to prevent inflammation.

The final point i would life to make is that you should eat fresh foods, grains are usually not fresh and can last for a while(this excludes a couple like bread and so on).

"My main objective is to be professional but to kill him." "I want to rip out his heart and feed it to him [Lennox Lewis]. I want to kill people."- Mike Tyson

camarosuper6

Im like you. Confrontation doesnt bother me. I like people to get in my face, because I usually eat them alive.

But the older Ive gotten, and especially with a wife and daughter, the more my wife has to bring my ego back to reality.

No matter what it may LOOK like... you never know what the other person has in mind. Not just weapons, but just being mentally nuts.

I understand where your coming from, and I probably would have had a similar reaction.

But now I try to think more logically. I try to imagine that my daughter is everywhere I am, and how would I act if she were watching me.

It works pretty well.

"TOLERANCE is the virtue of a man without convictions"

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Archangel

Brother D2, Awesome news, hope she is pregnant!!! Wishing you nothing but the BEST my Friend!!!
Excellent post by Brother Camaro too, just be careful my Friend, you have 2 little ones, a wife and possibly a third on the way, things could have gotten ugly and you would never know, Not trying to preach, hope I didn't upset you, just letting you know people care!!!

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"For NOTHING is impossible with GOD" - Luke 1:37

Triple Threat

I for one like westside. Even though I do go off and experiment with other types of training periodically, I always enjoy coming back to westside.

Westside is like the faithful girlfriend, always there when you want/need it and the other training programs are flings, immensely enjoyable, but eventually you get tired of it.

Malley

PY Thanks buddy.

Burner I never wear anything to show off what I have worked for. I always wear button up shirts in the winter. I truelly dont get it.

Stewart I know I am never the guy who starts it, I am normally so laid back!
As far as instictive training I may try that for a while see how it goes.
Oh and its very wierd my wife gets negative on every pregnancy test she tries, but on the last 2 she was prego anyways.

Cam That is very solid advice. Its funny you say that because my girls was the first thing I thought about after that happened.

Archie Its ok, sometimes I need some sense talked into me.

Trips Old girlfriend huh? haha

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Burner02

he wears normal t-shirts...regualr shirts and has some fitting shirts.
I dunno..maybe he just has 'that look'?

heh...I wear tight shirts in the club..short shirts....all year long...

Success leaves clues. People who produce outstanding results do specific things to create those results

Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing NOW to solve our problem

THERE IS NO TOMORROW!
- Appollo Creed

Tom_B

I know you meant 'never eat carbs' and that you advocate Carb ups alot, I also know you never meant to only eat broccoli and Steak. The point that I was trying to get across is that one does not have to live a life on low carbs, with periodic carb ups, and that one who deprives themselves of carbs (By eating veggies+protein+fats) are going to end up craving them.. which can potentially set them up for binge patterns.
I was merely saying that living a low carb lifestyle isn't practical, and doesn't need to be done.
Just like it can be argued that back a few hundred years, the rich were associated with always feasting on things such as roast beef, lobster etc. Mostly fats and protein. And the poor were stuck with 'the poor food' which included mostly stuff like oatmeal. Weirdly enough the rich were the fat ones, and the poor were always thinner... key word being that the rich would FEAST on food. Once again it comes down to calories. (Showing that it's calories in vs calories out that make people put on weight.. not necessarily carbs vs protein.)
I know that one can survive without eating grains, but how healthy are they? How practical is that in todays society?

Well that's kind of a general statement..
If someone were to ask me - So for this meal should I have a cup of broccoli or a bowl of oatmeal? Which is healthier?
There are so many variables, whether said person trained that day, if they train at all, what their other meals for the day look like, what there total calories were for their other meals etc.
(But you're right, veggies are extremely healthy, and if someone were to ask me that I would almost always tell them either way to eat the broccoli, then asses to see if they needed the oatmeal or not.)
I honestly will never understand why one would bulk on low carbs.. just doesn't make sense to me...
1/ Carbs are cheaper on the wallet than protein
2/ Carbs are going to give you a more easily accessible source of energy, so you can go heavier and harder in the gym.
3/ Carbs are protein sparing.
4/ Carbs are less thermogenic, therfore you'll save some calories.
5/ Going to aid in repair
And so on and so on.

But if Low carb bulking works for you, then all the more power to ya!
See Green Beans And Oat bran, yes the green beans are going to have more fiber (that's obvious) but they're both sources of their own different vitamins/mineral, not just those four.
Sorry .. but I'm going to say this is too 'broad' of a comment. To say whole grains can be linked to things such as heart disease .. well just doesn't work for me.
Same thing could be said for a high fat, high protein diet .. it's just way to broad of a comment.


*Just to let you know Brutus I'm not saying everyone should always be following a diet with a moderate - high level of carbs. I do believe that low/no carbing it with timed refeeds do have their place in someones diet, especially depending on their goals. I'm just saying that for optimal health one shouldn't be living off a low carb lifestyle indefinitely, and that they'll be missing out on a lot of different vitamins/mineral and to a certain extent fiber.
This debate came around when I told DoubleD to eat some carbs during his break. The point of a break is rest, recover and repair - to get ready to hit the gym harder and stronger when you get back. And carbs will certainly help with that, and help get him out of his current 'rut' of shitty workouts with lowered strength. Remember Carbs aren't just going to affect ones physique, but strength in the gym as well.

LOL I think the whole carb thing could be argued over and over for years..there's tons of evidence supporting your claims, and tons supporting mine. Its really going to come down to trial and error, personal preference and what works for you and your body. So lets agree to disagree .
Good Debate though, it's nice seeing things from someone else perspectives.

Brutus_G

Agreed Tom. I would like to say one more thing. The rich could afford to gorge on pastries(which they did) they ate meat to prove their status this doesn't mean they ate alot of it. The poor usually couldn't eat enough to maintain weight so they ended up fat skinnys(fat from the crap carbs like beer ,pastries,bread,and so on.) A high fat diet raises testosterone one of the keys to muscle.

I think it is very possible to live a very healthy life with just protein,veggies,fruit,and healthy fats.
Once again Tom good to debate with you man.

LOL i know there are more than 4 vitamins and minerals of importance lol.

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Brutus_G

On one last thought i don't consider oatmeal,sweet potatoes, and beans crap carbs.

"My main objective is to be professional but to kill him." "I want to rip out his heart and feed it to him [Lennox Lewis]. I want to kill people."- Mike Tyson

yellowmoomba

I came in here looking for a workout but I found myself looking at Brutus' avi

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Malley

Well guys today is my first workout in a week. I hope it has been a productive week off. If I keep losing strength like I have been I am not going to be very happy. Whats the use of carrying a little more bf around if I cant be as strong as I want to be.

Oh and good argument Brutus and Tom. There sure was alot of writting in there. My wrists hurt looking at it.

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camarosuper6

What are the new goals?

"TOLERANCE is the virtue of a man without convictions"

G.K.Chesterton


Boot Shine and Polish $15.
New Uniforms: $250
New gun and holster: $450
Looking like a stud in uniform: Priceless

Girl: Me and this new guy are getting kinda chummy.
Me: Good chummy? Like friends forever?
Girl: Ya
Me: Or Chummy like, spank my ass chummy?

Malley

This is simple.

Stay or of course decrease bf%
deadlift more than I squat
Bench 350 (Current 320-330)