High Intensity...Boy this is really going to hurt

Pylon · 03-06-2007, 05:09 AM

Let's see...weak wrists...cranky knee...lowered endurace...Yup. Sounds like you're getting old.

fantasma62 · 03-06-2007, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pylon

Let's see...weak wrists...cranky knee...lowered endurace...Yup. Sounds like you're getting old.

Hey you are not that far behind, you'll be here soon too....

fantasma62 · 03-06-2007, 08:21 AM

Well, for the first time since I started this, I am literally sore all over.
My lats, my arms, my chest and my shoulders (in three different places) are sore.

That's all good news.

More good news, I don't feel any problems with my wrist.

My knee is sore like yesterday, but I was able to work thru the pain (not so much pain) and did well....

Today my plan is as follows:

DB Chest Press

DB Flyes

Inclined Hammer Curls

DB Prone Incline curls

DB Kickbacks

DB Single Calf Raises

DB Straight Legged DL’s

I am eliminating the lunges because of the lingering pain on my knee and will try to do the single calf raises and straight legged DL's.

I am going to remove the DB Lying Pull Over because today my back and lats are very sore, as if I had worked them out with weights. I am going to add a couple of ab exercises like crunches. Other than crunches, because they seem to target the upper abs (or maybe I am wrong), is there an ab exercise that may target one of my many, many, many, many problem areas, my lower abs. I want to eliminate as much as I can the overhang on my lower abs. Although I understand that it may not be completely possible, at least I want to try....

Pylon · 03-06-2007, 12:08 PM

Lower abs...hanging knee raises? Do you have a place to do them? If not, I guess you could do prone leg raises. Not as good, but same target area, I think.

fantasma62 · 03-06-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pylon

Lower abs...hanging knee raises? Do you have a place to do them? If not, I guess you could do prone leg raises. Not as good, but same target area, I think.

Thanks a bunch Pylon.
Hanging knee raises? Don't forget I am an old man with bad wrists. Seriously though, that's not a bad idea but my grip is pretty crappy and my hands will do a disservice to my abs.

I am interested in the prone leg raises, though...

JerseyDevil · 03-06-2007, 06:12 PM

Old at mid-30's? You young whipper snappers!

fantasma62 · 03-06-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

Old at mid-30's? You young whipper snappers!

Hey JD!!!

fantasma62 · 03-06-2007, 08:23 PM

Ok ladies, no laughing please...I say ladies because the guys are already laughing and this workout was funny enough to make even the girls laugh..

DB Chest Press: 25 reps x 25 pounds per DB

DB Flyes: 30 x 10

Inclined Hammer Curls: 21 x 15

DB Prone Incline Curls: 14 x 15

DB Kickbacks: 15 x 15

I am not too upset about this workout. This is my first full DB workout and I was gauging my weights.
I believe that come Thursday, there'll be some change on the weights.

My workout was interrupted by visitors tonight, so I was not able to do the ab exercises as I wanted to.

Oh well.....

fantasma62 · 03-06-2007, 09:28 PM

After analyzing things a bit for the last hour or so, I am still not unhappy with my short workout.

On Thursday my last lifting day of the week, I will have a better idea and better ratio of weights vs reps than I did today.
My target is to have no more than 8-12 reps per routine. That's what HIT normally allows for. I'll rephrase. HIT gurus recommend 8-12 rep range , so I'll try to conform to that while tweaing the weights of the DB's.

Tomorrow will be another day...

Pylon · 03-07-2007, 08:59 AM

What about hanging raises using wrist wraps?

fantasma62 · 03-07-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pylon

What about hanging raises using wrist wraps?

I love leg raises, I just got nowhere to hang from that I can't rip off the foundation.....

Today I am planning on ending my workout with the ab stuff I didnt do yesterday...

If I do find somewhere to hang from that won't break and get me hurt, I'll do it...

Archangel · 03-07-2007, 07:56 PM

Thats an excellent w/o Brother Tony, believe me there is nothing funny imo!!! Keep at it, your doin Great and only gettin better!!!

fantasma62 · 03-07-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Thats an excellent w/o Brother Tony, believe me there is nothing funny imo!!! Keep at it, your doin Great and only gettin better!!!

Thanks Arch....

fantasma62 · 03-07-2007, 10:52 PM

Boy, what a rookie mistake I made. I know how to do things but decided to get cocky and ....well, I'll get to that later...

Training:

*3 rounds heavy bag (3/1): I truly went all out and pounded the bag with all I had.

*7 rounds of shadow boxing (3/1): very happy with this. I threw a lot of punches again and when I wasn't throwing punches I was moving my legs up and down toward my stomach, kinda' skipping. But mostly I liked the fact that on the 7th round I literally left all of my energy and all of my stamina. I literally threw punches for 2 1/2 minutes non stop. That half a minute that I didn't was mostly because I needed to regroup after getting all disconbobulated throwing punches. When I finished I could barely lift my arms. I guess this was as intense I have gotten during training and I feel very good about it...

*2 rounds speed bag (3/1): ...so I took a minute off and started hitting the speed bag. Good rythm, good speed, getting better...

Let me go back and explain my very first comment. While hitting the heavy bag, my hand felt great and I was going full out. Suddenly in the third round I made a terrible mistake. I decided to throw hard body punches at the bag and if any of you have ever done any bag work, you know that the top part of the bag is not as solid as the bottom part of the bag, which is where the body would have been at. The way you need to figure the bottom part is like hitting a bag full of cement. Not solid, still powdery, but still all there...Anyway, my hand was not ready for that body work and I hurt it again. This time maybe a little worse. Nothing broken as far as I know because I am typing and can close my fist and move my hand around. My hands are normally pretty strong, however, it must have still been injured. It was a dumb mistake in my part because I knew better. I am just glad that this happened toward the end of the third and last heavy bag round, because had it happened in the first or second, I would have been moronic enough to continue on hurting it just for the sake of not letting myself down again.

I will see how I wake up tomorrow and I'll go from there.

I am heavily disappointed at myself for damaging what was going to end up being a great training session. I am just glad that I didn't stop everything and quit today's workout.

Archangel · 03-08-2007, 03:55 AM

Sorry to hear about the hand my Friend!!! Ice it and take good care of it!!!

Bagwork, especially bodywork is no joke, your wrists and hand must be wrapped fairly snug, try wrapping between all your fingers when you are healed, you would be suprised how stable that makes your hand!!!

fantasma62 · 03-08-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Sorry to hear about the hand my Friend!!! Ice it and take good care of it!!!

Bagwork, especially bodywork is no joke, your wrists and hand must be wrapped fairly snug, try wrapping between all your fingers when you are healed, you would be suprised how stable that makes your hand!!!

Thanks a bunch Arch... I am going to need to buy a longer wrap. I have been wrapping between the middle and ring finger, but I have a feeling I am going to have to do as you say...

Hand today feels the same as when it first got hurt, which isn't bad at all....It bothers, that's it...

fantasma62 · 03-08-2007, 12:03 PM

I am definitely going to let the hand heal properly this time. I had scheduled weights today, but again, one of the activities that cause the hand to hurt is lifting weights.

By the way, and I figured this was going to happen today, I am extremely sore all over...my goodness I am sore...
Usually I lift one day, the day after I am fine and suddenly, the day after that one, the pain comes in...

Archangel · 03-08-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fantasma62

Thanks a bunch Arch... I am going to need to buy a longer wrap. I have been wrapping between the middle and ring finger, but I have a feeling I am going to have to do as you say...

Hand today feels the same as when it first got hurt, which isn't bad at all....It bothers, that's it...

http://www.boxinggyms.com/tips/handwraps.htm
Take a look at this my Friend, it is VERY important to wrap your hands correctly!!! Trust me, When I kickboxed for 5 years my wraps where a top priority, and I had NO broken bones or sprains in my entire career, well okay my career was only 11 fights, LOL, but you know what I mean!!!

Let it heal ALL the way, you'll be much better for it my Friend, Best Wishes!!!

fantasma62 · 03-08-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

http://www.boxinggyms.com/tips/handwraps.htm
Take a look at this my Friend, it is VERY important to wrap your hands correctly!!! Trust me, When I kickboxed for 5 years my wraps where a top priority, and I had NO broken bones or sprains in my entire career, well okay my career was only 11 fights, LOL, but you know what I mean!!!

Let it heal ALL the way, you'll be much better for it my Friend, Best Wishes!!!

Hey Arch, thanks a bunch...By the way, if you check method one, that's how I wrap my hands. I actually have this one in my favorites.

I am going to check the other methods.

By the way, I also own these: http://store.everlastboxing.com/ever...ove-wraps.html

You know if these are good? They seem made for this...

Archangel · 03-08-2007, 05:26 PM

Hmmmmmm, those are interesting!!!
These are the exact ones I used http://store.everlastboxing.com/ever...handwraps.html

fantasma62 · 03-08-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Hmmmmmm, those are interesting!!!
These are the exact ones I used http://store.everlastboxing.com/ever...handwraps.html

Those are exactly the ones I use, but there is no way that the ones I have are 180" long like yours....how scary does that response sound to you? Yours is 180" long, blah blah blah.....Mine is not, blah, blah, blah....

Archangel · 03-08-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fantasma62

Those are exactly the ones I use, but there is no way that the ones I have are 180" long like yours....how scary does that response sound to you? Yours is 180" long, blah blah blah.....Mine is not, blah, blah, blah....

Good stuff!!!

You definatly should get the longer ones, that way you can wrap every part of your hand correctly, Best Wishes Brother Tony!!!

fantasma62 · 03-08-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Good stuff!!!

You definatly should get the longer ones, that way you can wrap every part of your hand correctly, Best Wishes Brother Tony!!!

Thanks for your opinions and good thoughts Arch.

Just finished watching Pride 33, UFC 67 and UFC 68 and I am still waiting for my son to fall asleep....

Funny, the hand doesn't even hurt now. It is the same fakeout as the last time, but don't worry, I am going to give it a week, even though I am dying to punch something.....

fantasma62 · 03-08-2007, 09:43 PM

I finally took a break today, not because I wanted to, but because I had to. See, my wife was out like a light at 7:30 pm.
Rest reasons: My son finally fell asleep at 11:00 pm, which means that if I had worked out, I would have probably fallen asleep at 12:30 -1:00 am and then having to wake up at 5:45 am makes no sense. Most imporantily, though, I am so sore, even my armpits hurt. I have lifted weights for a long time but never, have my armpits been sore. Even with that in mind, I was planning on going at it tonight anyway, but my son convinced me not to.

Hopefully tomorrow my armpits won't hurt and I'll be able to continue with my training.

Good night all....

fantasma62 · 03-09-2007, 01:27 PM

Still quite sore. I actually slept horribly last night and I am still tired, however, today I am not as sore as yesterday.

I plan to resume my boxing training tonight and lift my weights tomorrow. Then on Sunday, Tony will rest...I can't promise anything though...

My hand feels great today, however, no false sense of security, I will not hit the heavy bag until Monday. Arch, I am going to try to put th

03-06-2007, 05:09 AM	#61
Pylon Squishy Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Missing...presumed having a good time Posts: 6,392 Photos: 3	Let's see...weak wrists...cranky knee...lowered endurace...Yup. Sounds like you're getting old.
	"For beverages, I only drink water or whiskey and when Iâ€™m drinking whiskey, itâ€™s usually when Iâ€™m working out. It gives me the courage to lift more than I can when Iâ€™m sober." - C. Bratton

03-06-2007, 08:21 AM	#63
fantasma62 HIHT Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SoFla Posts: 2,516	Well, for the first time since I started this, I am literally sore all over. My lats, my arms, my chest and my shoulders (in three different places) are sore. That's all good news. More good news, I don't feel any problems with my wrist. My knee is sore like yesterday, but I was able to work thru the pain (not so much pain) and did well.... Today my plan is as follows: DB Chest Press DB Flyes Inclined Hammer Curls DB Prone Incline curls DB Kickbacks DB Single Calf Raises DB Straight Legged DL’s I am eliminating the lunges because of the lingering pain on my knee and will try to do the single calf raises and straight legged DL's. I am going to remove the DB Lying Pull Over because today my back and lats are very sore, as if I had worked them out with weights. I am going to add a couple of ab exercises like crunches. Other than crunches, because they seem to target the upper abs (or maybe I am wrong), is there an ab exercise that may target one of my many, many, many, many problem areas, my lower abs. I want to eliminate as much as I can the overhang on my lower abs. Although I understand that it may not be completely possible, at least I want to try....
	-Tony- HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

03-06-2007, 12:08 PM	#64
Pylon Squishy Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Missing...presumed having a good time Posts: 6,392 Photos: 3	Lower abs...hanging knee raises? Do you have a place to do them? If not, I guess you could do prone leg raises. Not as good, but same target area, I think.
	"For beverages, I only drink water or whiskey and when Iâ€™m drinking whiskey, itâ€™s usually when Iâ€™m working out. It gives me the courage to lift more than I can when Iâ€™m sober." - C. Bratton

03-06-2007, 08:23 PM	#68
fantasma62 HIHT Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SoFla Posts: 2,516	Ok ladies, no laughing please...I say ladies because the guys are already laughing and this workout was funny enough to make even the girls laugh.. DB Chest Press: 25 reps x 25 pounds per DB DB Flyes: 30 x 10 Inclined Hammer Curls: 21 x 15 DB Prone Incline Curls: 14 x 15 DB Kickbacks: 15 x 15 I am not too upset about this workout. This is my first full DB workout and I was gauging my weights. I believe that come Thursday, there'll be some change on the weights. My workout was interrupted by visitors tonight, so I was not able to do the ab exercises as I wanted to. Oh well.....
	-Tony- HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

03-06-2007, 09:28 PM	#69
fantasma62 HIHT Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SoFla Posts: 2,516	After analyzing things a bit for the last hour or so, I am still not unhappy with my short workout. On Thursday my last lifting day of the week, I will have a better idea and better ratio of weights vs reps than I did today. My target is to have no more than 8-12 reps per routine. That's what HIT normally allows for. I'll rephrase. HIT gurus recommend 8-12 rep range , so I'll try to conform to that while tweaing the weights of the DB's. Tomorrow will be another day...
	-Tony- HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

03-06-2007, 06:12 PM	#66
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,180	Old at mid-30's? You young whipper snappers!

03-07-2007, 08:59 AM	#70
Pylon Squishy Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Missing...presumed having a good time Posts: 6,392 Photos: 3	What about hanging raises using wrist wraps?
	"For beverages, I only drink water or whiskey and when Iâ€™m drinking whiskey, itâ€™s usually when Iâ€™m working out. It gives me the courage to lift more than I can when Iâ€™m sober." - C. Bratton

03-07-2007, 07:56 PM	#72
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,178 Photos: 4	Thats an excellent w/o Brother Tony, believe me there is nothing funny imo!!! Keep at it, your doin Great and only gettin better!!!
	"I can do ALL things through Christ, who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13 "For NOTHING is impossible with GOD" - Luke 1:37

03-07-2007, 10:52 PM	#74
fantasma62 HIHT Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SoFla Posts: 2,516	Boy, what a rookie mistake I made. I know how to do things but decided to get cocky and ....well, I'll get to that later... Training: 3 rounds heavy bag (3/1): I truly went all out and pounded the bag with all I had. 7 rounds of shadow boxing (3/1): very happy with this. I threw a lot of punches again and when I wasn't throwing punches I was moving my legs up and down toward my stomach, kinda' skipping. But mostly I liked the fact that on the 7th round I literally left all of my energy and all of my stamina. I literally threw punches for 2 1/2 minutes non stop. That half a minute that I didn't was mostly because I needed to regroup after getting all disconbobulated throwing punches. When I finished I could barely lift my arms. I guess this was as intense I have gotten during training and I feel very good about it... *2 rounds speed bag (3/1): ...so I took a minute off and started hitting the speed bag. Good rythm, good speed, getting better... Let me go back and explain my very first comment. While hitting the heavy bag, my hand felt great and I was going full out. Suddenly in the third round I made a terrible mistake. I decided to throw hard body punches at the bag and if any of you have ever done any bag work, you know that the top part of the bag is not as solid as the bottom part of the bag, which is where the body would have been at. The way you need to figure the bottom part is like hitting a bag full of cement. Not solid, still powdery, but still all there...Anyway, my hand was not ready for that body work and I hurt it again. This time maybe a little worse. Nothing broken as far as I know because I am typing and can close my fist and move my hand around. My hands are normally pretty strong, however, it must have still been injured. It was a dumb mistake in my part because I knew better. I am just glad that this happened toward the end of the third and last heavy bag round, because had it happened in the first or second, I would have been moronic enough to continue on hurting it just for the sake of not letting myself down again. I will see how I wake up tomorrow and I'll go from there. I am heavily disappointed at myself for damaging what was going to end up being a great training session. I am just glad that I didn't stop everything and quit today's workout.
	-Tony- HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

03-08-2007, 03:55 AM	#75
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,178 Photos: 4	Sorry to hear about the hand my Friend!!! Ice it and take good care of it!!! Bagwork, especially bodywork is no joke, your wrists and hand must be wrapped fairly snug, try wrapping between all your fingers when you are healed, you would be suprised how stable that makes your hand!!!
	"I can do ALL things through Christ, who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13 "For NOTHING is impossible with GOD" - Luke 1:37

03-08-2007, 12:03 PM	#77
fantasma62 HIHT Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SoFla Posts: 2,516	I am definitely going to let the hand heal properly this time. I had scheduled weights today, but again, one of the activities that cause the hand to hurt is lifting weights. By the way, and I figured this was going to happen today, I am extremely sore all over...my goodness I am sore... Usually I lift one day, the day after I am fine and suddenly, the day after that one, the pain comes in...
	-Tony- HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

03-08-2007, 05:26 PM	#80
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,178 Photos: 4	Hmmmmmm, those are interesting!!! These are the exact ones I used http://store.everlastboxing.com/ever...handwraps.html
	"I can do ALL things through Christ, who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13 "For NOTHING is impossible with GOD" - Luke 1:37

03-08-2007, 09:43 PM	#84
fantasma62 HIHT Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SoFla Posts: 2,516	I finally took a break today, not because I wanted to, but because I had to. See, my wife was out like a light at 7:30 pm. Rest reasons: My son finally fell asleep at 11:00 pm, which means that if I had worked out, I would have probably fallen asleep at 12:30 -1:00 am and then having to wake up at 5:45 am makes no sense. Most imporantily, though, I am so sore, even my armpits hurt. I have lifted weights for a long time but never, have my armpits been sore. Even with that in mind, I was planning on going at it tonight anyway, but my son convinced me not to. Hopefully tomorrow my armpits won't hurt and I'll be able to continue with my training. Good night all....
	-Tony- HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training