J'Bo's Physique Training Diary

w8lifter · 06-06-2002, 09:38 PM

No this is what I meant

Meals one and three: 35grams protein, 25 grams carbs, 10 grams fat.

Meals two, four and five: 30grams protein, 5 grams carbs, 10grams of fat.

We need to keep things all together so we can look at it all in one place.

Do you use fitday at all?

J'Bo · 06-06-2002, 09:49 PM

Whats fitday?

w8lifter · 06-06-2002, 10:00 PM

fitday.com is a diet journal...you can use it to log your foods, it's kinda handy for planning meals. It has a large database of foods already listed and allows you to input your own.

J'Bo · 06-06-2002, 10:01 PM

I noticed that in the last PM you said that i wont carb load the week after this one, that is the week of the comp. I just wanted to clear that up. I have 15 days til the comp.

w8lifter · 06-06-2002, 10:10 PM

Yes....you're right, lol

J'Bo · 06-06-2002, 10:20 PM

Now that thats cleared up. LOL
This is what i have so far.
Yes it takes me a while.
Seems like alot of food for meal one, but the numbers work out.

Meal One:
.5 scoop protein w/ water
4 egg whites
1 yolk
1/2 cup oatmeal
1 flaxseed oil capsule

Sound good so far?

Meal Two:
1.5 scoops protein with water
2 Tablespoons of raw peanuts

Meal Three:
Chicken Breast
sweet potato or 1/2 cup brown rice
2 cups salad w/ 1 tablespoon hempoil dressing

Meal Four:
1.5 scoops protein
4 strawberries and 1 Tablespoon Udo's Oil

Meal Five:
Tin Tuna
1 Tablespoon mayo
stalk of celery
1 cup broccoli or mixed veggies

Better Dr.Pain?

J'Bo · 06-06-2002, 10:41 PM

Well what do you think DPw8 team?

Dr. Pain · 06-07-2002, 06:47 AM

I think if you copy and paste all of those together on one page, like w8 has asked a few times....I could see what a day looks like!

I'm not liking meal four! Rather see cream or flax and a few strawberries than "more" nuts and carrots (not the best veggie, too much sugar)

DP

w8lifter · 06-07-2002, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
I think if you copy and paste all of those together on one page, like w8 has asked a few times....I could see what a day looks like!

I'm not liking meal four! Rather see cream or flax and a few strawberries than "more" nuts and carrots (not the best veggie, too much sugar)

DP

That's what I was going to say too. Also, meal 1, have the fruit or the oats, not both.

For meal one....1/2 a scoop of protein gives you 18 grams of protein?

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 07:35 AM

DP you think i could have strawberries again for meal 4? I thought i was to only have fruit at one meal? I would prefer not to do the cream anymore, it makes me feel bad.

So i cleaned up this entire thread and deleted some postings and put all my meals in one message, like a good little girl.

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 07:36 AM

Day Seven

Meal one:
6 egg whites (2 yolks)
1/2 cup oatmeal

Meal two:
package of soy nuts
1 scoop of protein in water

Meal three:
1/2 cup brown rice
1 tin tuna, 1 Tablespoon mayo, celery

Meal four:
shrimp and chicken breast
2 cups broccoli

Meal five:
200g turkey breast
1/2 avocado

Only managed to get 5 liters down today

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
I think if you copy and paste all of those together on one page, like w8 has asked a few times....I could see what a day looks like!

I'm not liking meal four! Rather see cream or flax and a few strawberries than "more" nuts and carrots (not the best veggie, too much sugar)

DP

Copy and pasted them all for the "DPw8 team"

W8 Quote:
"That's what I was going to say too. Also, meal 1, have the fruit or the oats, not both."

Well well that is quite possbily the best post i have ever read. I can replace oatmeal with strawberries in meal one? Man i am the happiest person right now

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 07:44 AM

Half a scoop of protein gives me 11 grams of protein, did i add it up wrong?

Because when i looked in the nutrition chart it was as follows:
.5 protein powder: 11P, 1C, .75F
4 egg whites: 13.6P, 0C, 0F
1 whole egg: 6.1P, 1C, 5.6F
1/2 cup oatmeal: 3P, 12C, 1F
1 cup strawberries: .4P, 10C, .3F

These totals are very close to the numbers you told me to eat.
So why is the strawberries and the oatmeal bad together?

Totals: 37.7P, 24C, 7.65F plus the flaxseed oil

Dr. Pain · 06-07-2002, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter

That's what I was going to say too. Also, meal 1, have the fruit or the oats, not both.

For meal one....1/2 a scoop of protein gives you 18 grams of protein?

GMTA!

See, helps to see it all together...I missed that!

Quote:

DP you think i could have strawberries again for meal 4? I thought i was to only have fruit at one meal? I would prefer not to do the cream anymore, it makes me feel bad.

So I cleaned up this entire thread and deleted some postings and put all my meals in one message, like a good little girl

J'Bo! You need to choose beter fat sources than nuts (althougth they are good, except Pre-competition)...if not cream...then flax in your shakes

2-3 Strawberries in any shake are exceptable....butt, (and a big butt if you don't) they are the only carb source!

DP

p.s W8, J'bo wanted an explanantion of "why" she is eating a certain way (protein, fat and fiber)...I don't have time..but could you please explain "insulin" and lipogenesis...and touch on hepatic gluconeogeneisi for her? Spanks Babe!

Or maybe a link to "Fat Loss Primer?"

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 07:51 AM

Ok so i wont eat the fruit with the oatmeal because the sugar in the fruit will cause me to store the fat. Right?

I made a couple of changes to the meal plan, can you see if its alright?

Dr. Pain · 06-07-2002, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo
Ok so i wont eat the fruit with the oatmeal because the sugar in the fruit will cause me to store the fat. Right?

We are more concerned about sugars spiking insulin and stopping the fat burning (lipolysis) process! Meal composition is crucial!

DP

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 07:55 AM

Thanks Dr.Pain!

You are my number one Dr. now!

w8lifter · 06-07-2002, 08:13 AM

Okay...I will explain 'why' when I get back from the gym

w8lifter · 06-07-2002, 10:40 AM

Alright...I was going to go into a detailed description of why, but I just read the Fat Loss Primer again and it sums it up better than I could (plus I'm too lazy when i can just point you to a link

). So I suggest you read this link

I will summarize though....Any carb you eat is going to cause a rise in blood glucose, in response to that your body releases insulin in an attempt to stabilize glucose levels. As you know the the Glycemic Index rates the glucose response from different carbs...high GI foods will produce a rapid rise in blood glucose while low GI foods will lead to a slower rise. Insulin will be released in relation to the blood glucose levels...a rapid rise will result in more insulin released. High insulin levels will halt fat-burning...the more insulin you produce, the less fat you burn.

So we use a combination of low GI carbs, protein fat & fibre (all of which slow digestion and insulin response), to control insulin levels and teach our bodies to use fat as fuel instead of sugar.

Two things...we can not rely solely on the Glycemic Index of foods...as the pasta vs. potato (in the article) points out...pasta is low on the GI, but it's still a processed wheat product, which = SATAN SUGAR. Last thing, since the article only touched on it..... protein can undergo a process called Gluconeogenisis if not eaten w/ the right things....big word that means if you don't eat your protein w/ either a fat or a carb, it will be broken down and used for energy instead of being used for tissue repair. One of the major reasons why I don't like high protein diets that keep both carbs & fats low (like someone who shall remain nameless uses)

Okay, so I babbled a bit, lol

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 11:09 AM

Thanks alot W8.
I completely understand now.

Does the diet look good for next week?
I just went out and got some Udos oil for my shakes.

w8lifter · 06-07-2002, 11:57 AM

Yes, much better J'bo...good job!

You can start that tomorrow

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 12:09 PM

Cant wait.
How is your diet going?
Are you going to reach your goal for Musclemania?
I am sure you are with amount of knowledge and dedication you have.

w8lifter · 06-07-2002, 12:16 PM

Depends on how much motivation I get

lol

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 12:43 PM

Oh do i have to kick your ass into gear girl?

When is Musclemania?

Dr. Pain · 06-07-2002, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter
Depends on how much motivation I get

lol

Baby, HOW MUCH motivation do you want?

I've got plenty of "Whoop Ass" saved up for both of you and NG too....What flavor(s) do Ya'll want!

DP

nikegurl · 06-07-2002, 02:31 PM

flax flavored please. i'm no wuss dp! still too soon for you to tell but you'll see.

(no tapping so don't even think it!)

w8lifter · 06-07-2002, 03:35 PM

Damn...the girl never quits...I'll take some DP&J cream

J'Bo · 06-07-2002, 04:01 PM

I Like honey flavored please, with a cherry on top.

Does anyone else get turned on by people talking about food, when they are dieting?
Geuss i am just freaky!

06-06-2002, 09:49 PM	#32
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Whats fitday?
	....and thats my $.02

06-06-2002, 10:01 PM	#34
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	I noticed that in the last PM you said that i wont carb load the week after this one, that is the week of the comp. I just wanted to clear that up. I have 15 days til the comp.
	....and thats my $.02

06-06-2002, 10:20 PM	#36
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Now that thats cleared up. LOL This is what i have so far. Yes it takes me a while. Seems like alot of food for meal one, but the numbers work out. Meal One: .5 scoop protein w/ water 4 egg whites 1 yolk 1/2 cup oatmeal 1 flaxseed oil capsule Sound good so far? Meal Two: 1.5 scoops protein with water 2 Tablespoons of raw peanuts Meal Three: Chicken Breast sweet potato or 1/2 cup brown rice 2 cups salad w/ 1 tablespoon hempoil dressing Meal Four: 1.5 scoops protein 4 strawberries and 1 Tablespoon Udo's Oil Meal Five: Tin Tuna 1 Tablespoon mayo stalk of celery 1 cup broccoli or mixed veggies Better Dr.Pain? Last edited by J'Bo : 06-07-2002 at 07:53 AM.
	....and thats my $.02

06-06-2002, 10:41 PM	#37
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Well what do you think DPw8 team?
	....and thats my $.02

06-07-2002, 07:35 AM	#40
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	DP you think i could have strawberries again for meal 4? I thought i was to only have fruit at one meal? I would prefer not to do the cream anymore, it makes me feel bad. So i cleaned up this entire thread and deleted some postings and put all my meals in one message, like a good little girl.
	....and thats my $.02

06-06-2002, 09:38 PM	#31
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	No this is what I meant Meals one and three: 35grams protein, 25 grams carbs, 10 grams fat. Meals two, four and five: 30grams protein, 5 grams carbs, 10grams of fat. We need to keep things all together so we can look at it all in one place. Do you use fitday at all?

06-06-2002, 10:00 PM	#33
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	fitday.com is a diet journal...you can use it to log your foods, it's kinda handy for planning meals. It has a large database of foods already listed and allows you to input your own.

06-06-2002, 10:10 PM	#35
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Yes....you're right, lol

06-07-2002, 06:47 AM	#38
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	I think if you copy and paste all of those together on one page, like w8 has asked a few times....I could see what a day looks like! I'm not liking meal four! Rather see cream or flax and a few strawberries than "more" nuts and carrots (not the best veggie, too much sugar) DP

06-07-2002, 07:36 AM	#41
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Day Seven Meal one: 6 egg whites (2 yolks) 1/2 cup oatmeal Meal two: package of soy nuts 1 scoop of protein in water Meal three: 1/2 cup brown rice 1 tin tuna, 1 Tablespoon mayo, celery Meal four: shrimp and chicken breast 2 cups broccoli Meal five: 200g turkey breast 1/2 avocado Only managed to get 5 liters down today Last edited by J'Bo : 06-07-2002 at 09:23 PM.
	....and thats my $.02

06-07-2002, 07:44 AM	#43
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Half a scoop of protein gives me 11 grams of protein, did i add it up wrong? Because when i looked in the nutrition chart it was as follows: .5 protein powder: 11P, 1C, .75F 4 egg whites: 13.6P, 0C, 0F 1 whole egg: 6.1P, 1C, 5.6F 1/2 cup oatmeal: 3P, 12C, 1F 1 cup strawberries: .4P, 10C, .3F These totals are very close to the numbers you told me to eat. So why is the strawberries and the oatmeal bad together? Totals: 37.7P, 24C, 7.65F plus the flaxseed oil Last edited by J'Bo : 06-07-2002 at 07:50 AM.
	....and thats my $.02

06-07-2002, 07:51 AM	#45
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Ok so i wont eat the fruit with the oatmeal because the sugar in the fruit will cause me to store the fat. Right? I made a couple of changes to the meal plan, can you see if its alright? Last edited by J'Bo : 06-07-2002 at 07:54 AM.
	....and thats my $.02

06-07-2002, 07:55 AM	#47
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Thanks Dr.Pain! You are my number one Dr. now!
	....and thats my $.02

06-07-2002, 08:13 AM	#48
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Okay...I will explain 'why' when I get back from the gym

06-07-2002, 10:40 AM	#49
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Alright...I was going to go into a detailed description of why, but I just read the Fat Loss Primer again and it sums it up better than I could (plus I'm too lazy when i can just point you to a link ). So I suggest you read this link I will summarize though....Any carb you eat is going to cause a rise in blood glucose, in response to that your body releases insulin in an attempt to stabilize glucose levels. As you know the the Glycemic Index rates the glucose response from different carbs...high GI foods will produce a rapid rise in blood glucose while low GI foods will lead to a slower rise. Insulin will be released in relation to the blood glucose levels...a rapid rise will result in more insulin released. High insulin levels will halt fat-burning...the more insulin you produce, the less fat you burn. So we use a combination of low GI carbs, protein fat & fibre (all of which slow digestion and insulin response), to control insulin levels and teach our bodies to use fat as fuel instead of sugar. Two things...we can not rely solely on the Glycemic Index of foods...as the pasta vs. potato (in the article) points out...pasta is low on the GI, but it's still a processed wheat product, which = SATAN SUGAR. Last thing, since the article only touched on it..... protein can undergo a process called Gluconeogenisis if not eaten w/ the right things....big word that means if you don't eat your protein w/ either a fat or a carb, it will be broken down and used for energy instead of being used for tissue repair. One of the major reasons why I don't like high protein diets that keep both carbs & fats low (like someone who shall remain nameless uses) Okay, so I babbled a bit, lol

06-07-2002, 11:09 AM	#50
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Thanks alot W8. I completely understand now. Does the diet look good for next week? I just went out and got some Udos oil for my shakes.
	....and thats my $.02

06-07-2002, 11:57 AM	#51
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Yes, much better J'bo...good job! You can start that tomorrow

06-07-2002, 12:09 PM	#52
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Cant wait. How is your diet going? Are you going to reach your goal for Musclemania? I am sure you are with amount of knowledge and dedication you have.
	....and thats my $.02

06-07-2002, 12:16 PM	#53
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Depends on how much motivation I get lol

06-07-2002, 12:43 PM	#54
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Oh do i have to kick your ass into gear girl? When is Musclemania?
	....and thats my $.02

06-07-2002, 02:31 PM	#56
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	flax flavored please. i'm no wuss dp! still too soon for you to tell but you'll see. (no tapping so don't even think it!)
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

06-07-2002, 03:35 PM	#57
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Damn...the girl never quits...I'll take some DP&J cream

06-07-2002, 04:01 PM	#58
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	I Like honey flavored please, with a cherry on top. Does anyone else get turned on by people talking about food, when they are dieting? Geuss i am just freaky! Last edited by J'Bo : 06-07-2002 at 04:06 PM.
	....and thats my $.02