S20's "5x5 Can Suck My Ass" Journal

Malley · 06-12-2007, 07:38 PM

Hell once you clean it you may not have the energy to lift it. I say power rack it.....

Stewart20 · 06-12-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Hell once you clean it you may not have the energy to lift it. I say power rack it.....

yeah, unfortunately I don't have that luxury at home, my rack is in the basement with a nice 7ft ceiling. I actually did the presses outside on my back deck!

Malley · 06-12-2007, 07:54 PM

Yeah I know the feeling, gotta work with what we got. I have no pullups bar so I do pullups on the rafters in the garage....it sucks.

Triple Threat · 06-12-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewart20

my rack is in the basement with a nice 7ft ceiling. I actually did the presses outside on my back deck!

I've got that same problem when I workout at home. I could move the equipment to the garage, but then it would be too cold in the winter.

Stewart20 · 06-12-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Yeah I know the feeling, gotta work with what we got. I have no pullups bar so I do pullups on the rafters in the garage....it sucks.

yeah I don't feel so bad, that sucks worse. I shouldn't complain, I really do have a lot of crap for a home gym, I have a squat rack, hyper/glute ham raise machine, pullup station, dip station, chest supported row machine, leverage squat machine, and my bench with lat attachment, plus 3 olympic bars, a trap bar, adjustable dbs, hex dbs from 10 lbs through 50 in pairs, and about 500 or so pounds in weights, oh yeah and an elliptical machine. Shit takes up over half of my basement! So I techincally have it ok, except for standing overhead stuff, lol

Malley · 06-12-2007, 07:59 PM

I got a salamander heater, but it does nothing for heat whenever its real cold. I simply freeze my ass off! But bundle up and get me a cold sweat going on.

Stewart20 · 06-12-2007, 08:00 PM

i have the opposite problem, it is hot as balls down there, and in the summer, it is borderline unbearable, even with fans going

Malley · 06-12-2007, 08:00 PM

Yeah you have a shit load of stuff. I normally go to my buddies, but right now money is tight so I have been doing it at home.

I have:

2 Benches, smith machine (I dont use hardly), OLY DB Handles, rafters (haha), and thats about it.....well I got 900lbs of weights.

Malley · 06-12-2007, 08:01 PM

Also I am going to try to read every entry of your blog. I get behind easily though. Bare with me.

Stewart20 · 06-12-2007, 08:01 PM

900 lbs?!?! The day you use all that weight at once is the day I will be very, very afraid of you!

Stewart20 · 06-12-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Also I am going to try to read every entry of your blog. I get behind easily though. Bare with me.

I am going to try to keep it up to date, I get lazy very easily!

Malley · 06-12-2007, 08:04 PM

I know the feeling....

yeah I dont have a need for 900lbs.....but its nice to have the extra 45's so I dont have to take things off of bars all the time. I have a buddy who comes around now and then....big basturd deads over 750lbs! So I need almost all of that weight for then. His bench is also around 570....so every once in a while it takes a beating. I just dont like for him to bench that much on my bench, it scares me....haha

Stewart20 · 06-12-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

I know the feeling....

yeah I dont have a need for 900lbs.....but its nice to have the extra 45's so I dont have to take things off of bars all the time. I have a buddy who comes around now and then....big basturd deads over 750lbs! So I need almost all of that weight for then. His bench is also around 570....so every once in a while it takes a beating. I just dont like for him to bench that much on my bench, it scares me....haha

yeah, I don't think my bench could handle 570 pounds!

Malley · 06-12-2007, 08:08 PM

Hes only been there one time to bench and I told him I didnt think he needed to do that ridiculous amount of weight at my house again. He needed to go to the high school to use their benches for that. All I need is for him to break his neck with my bench and I get sued for what little bit of shit I got.

Bakerboy · 06-12-2007, 08:14 PM

Stewart, don't you weigh 225 pounds.

No need to go outside just do handstand pushups next (up against a wall). Problem solved.

Stewart20 · 06-12-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Hes only been there one time to bench and I told him I didnt think he needed to do that ridiculous amount of weight at my house again. He needed to go to the high school to use their benches for that. All I need is for him to break his neck with my bench and I get sued for what little bit of shit I got.

yeah seriously, let him go sue someone else!

Stewart20 · 06-12-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bakerboy

Stewart, don't you weigh 225 pounds.

No need to go outside just do handstand pushups next (up against a wall). Problem solved.

Actually, I think I weigh about 222 now, lost a few pounds

. I never thought about doing them, I honestly don't think I could get myself into the starting position, I think I tried it once, and lets just say, it didn't end very nicely.....

I need to work on my balance a bit before I try those

Triple Threat · 06-12-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bakerboy

Stewart, don't you weigh 225 pounds.

No need to go outside just do handstand pushups next (up against a wall). Problem solved.

That's easy for you to say.

Burner02 · 06-13-2007, 02:38 PM

was'sup, you big, muscular bastage!

Stewart20 · 06-13-2007, 03:10 PM

June 13

Pull

Chinups (RI=recovery)
BW+90 x 3
BW+90 x 3
BW+80 x 3
*lowered the weight cause I wasn't happy with my form on the first 2 sets, it was probably a little bit too heavy. The third set was better

Barbell T-Bar Rows w/V-Handle(RI=90 sec)
4 plates x 8
4 plates+25 x 8
4 plates+25 x 8
*These hurt my low back a bit with the heavier weight. I may switch chest supported rows with these and then do a t-bar row drop set on my other pull day and a 3x8 with the chest supported rows next time on this day.

Upright Rows
135 x 11 (DS) 115 x 10 (DS) 95 x 10

DB Preacher Hammer Curls (RI=60 sec)
50 x 7
50 x 6

Stewart20 · 06-13-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Burner02

was'sup, you big, muscular bastage!

Burner! Hows it going buddy???..........hope all is well despite those long work days, hopefully that ends soon for ya

Malley · 06-13-2007, 08:22 PM

Thats some serious weight for upright rows!!!

Stewart20 · 06-14-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Double D

Thats some serious weight for upright rows!!!

yeah, my shoulders think so too...heh

Triple Threat · 06-14-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewart20

yeah, my shoulders think so too...heh

Upright rows caused me all sorts of shoulder problems when I hit my mid-30's. Constant discomfort, plus hindered my throwing a softball and playing basketball.

Stewart20 · 06-14-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

Upright rows caused me all sorts of shoulder problems when I hit my mid-30's. Constant discomfort, plus hindered my throwing a softball and playing basketball.

My shoulders aren't in any discomfort, they just worked real hard,

I haven't had any problems with them yet, I mean, I know you know all the cliches about them, you know, don't go past your nipples and keep a semi wide grip, blah blah, but to be honest, following that advice has worked well for me.

As I hopefully embark on a career as a trainer, it's going to be important for me to learn and understand the warning signs for contraindicting an exercise to someone. I believe that the body should be worked from every angle that you are able to do, and that includes upright rows. I would have a client do them, but immediately tell me whenever they experienced any discomfort. I know a lot of trainers automatically don't write them into their client's programs, but I think if the client is able to perform them and more importantly, wants to perform them, they should be able to do so, albeit on a strict leash. I happen to think they are a fantastic exercise for the shoulders and traps (forearms and biceps too)

Everone loves to do dips, and dips wreck people's shoulders far worse than upright rows IMO. I gotta say that I have not had any shoulder discomfort ever since I allowed myself to really focus on doing movements in all the planes, and this is even with repping 325 on the bench, doing reps on dips with my bodyweight + 160 and doing pullups, chinups, overhead presses and upright rows. I used to always get pains in my shoulders after benching or overhead pressing, I could not get passed a 275 bench press without pain. I almost quit trying to improve on bench cause the pain was not worth it. But now after looking back, it was only after focusing on all the angles and planes that I was able to increase on bench painfree.

I like to go by this example of opposite pairings:
bench press -- barbell/pendlay row
overhead press -- chinups/pullup
dips -- upright rows

I now try to incorporate this scheme into any program that I come up with, and make sure there is an even amount of work in all the planes. THAT I believe is the key to keeping the shoulders happy and generally strong and pain free.

rant over

Triple Threat · 06-14-2007, 01:36 PM

I didn't mean to scare you off them or suggest you don't do them. I was stating a fact that upright rows were not good for me, at least the way I was doing them. We're all built differently, etc.

Actually, the way they were effecting my sports playing was more painful than the discomfort I was feeling. Not being able to make an accurate throw from short stop to first base was not a good thing.

06-12-2007, 08:00 PM	#217
Stewart20 My little pain in the ass Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in my home gym Posts: 2,924 Photos: 2	i have the opposite problem, it is hot as balls down there, and in the summer, it is borderline unbearable, even with fans going
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06-12-2007, 08:01 PM	#220
Stewart20 My little pain in the ass Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in my home gym Posts: 2,924 Photos: 2	900 lbs?!?! The day you use all that weight at once is the day I will be very, very afraid of you!
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06-12-2007, 08:14 PM	#225
Bakerboy cat burglar Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: the city of champions Posts: 4,146 Photos: 3	Stewart, don't you weigh 225 pounds. No need to go outside just do handstand pushups next (up against a wall). Problem solved.
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06-13-2007, 02:38 PM	#229
Burner02 Super Hero in Training Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tip of the spear! Posts: 28,318	was'sup, you big, muscular bastage!
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06-13-2007, 03:10 PM	#230
Stewart20 My little pain in the ass Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in my home gym Posts: 2,924 Photos: 2	June 13 Pull Chinups (RI=recovery) BW+90 x 3 BW+90 x 3 BW+80 x 3 lowered the weight cause I wasn't happy with my form on the first 2 sets, it was probably a little bit too heavy. The third set was better Barbell T-Bar Rows w/V-Handle(RI=90 sec) 4 plates x 8 4 plates+25 x 8 4 plates+25 x 8 These hurt my low back a bit with the heavier weight. I may switch chest supported rows with these and then do a t-bar row drop set on my other pull day and a 3x8 with the chest supported rows next time on this day. Upright Rows 135 x 11 (DS) 115 x 10 (DS) 95 x 10 DB Preacher Hammer Curls (RI=60 sec) 50 x 7 50 x 6
	http://futuretrainer.blogspot.com/ --My new blog!!

06-12-2007, 07:38 PM	#211
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	Hell once you clean it you may not have the energy to lift it. I say power rack it.....

06-12-2007, 07:54 PM	#213
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	Yeah I know the feeling, gotta work with what we got. I have no pullups bar so I do pullups on the rafters in the garage....it sucks.

06-12-2007, 07:59 PM	#216
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	I got a salamander heater, but it does nothing for heat whenever its real cold. I simply freeze my ass off! But bundle up and get me a cold sweat going on.

06-12-2007, 08:00 PM	#218
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	Yeah you have a shit load of stuff. I normally go to my buddies, but right now money is tight so I have been doing it at home. I have: 2 Benches, smith machine (I dont use hardly), OLY DB Handles, rafters (haha), and thats about it.....well I got 900lbs of weights.

06-12-2007, 08:01 PM	#219
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	Also I am going to try to read every entry of your blog. I get behind easily though. Bare with me.

06-12-2007, 08:04 PM	#222
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	I know the feeling.... yeah I dont have a need for 900lbs.....but its nice to have the extra 45's so I dont have to take things off of bars all the time. I have a buddy who comes around now and then....big basturd deads over 750lbs! So I need almost all of that weight for then. His bench is also around 570....so every once in a while it takes a beating. I just dont like for him to bench that much on my bench, it scares me....haha

06-12-2007, 08:08 PM	#224
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	Hes only been there one time to bench and I told him I didnt think he needed to do that ridiculous amount of weight at my house again. He needed to go to the high school to use their benches for that. All I need is for him to break his neck with my bench and I get sued for what little bit of shit I got.

06-13-2007, 08:22 PM	#232
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,014	Thats some serious weight for upright rows!!!

06-14-2007, 01:36 PM	#236
Triple Threat ... Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 9,480 Photos: 6	I didn't mean to scare you off them or suggest you don't do them. I was stating a fact that upright rows were not good for me, at least the way I was doing them. We're all built differently, etc. Actually, the way they were effecting my sports playing was more painful than the discomfort I was feeling. Not being able to make an accurate throw from short stop to first base was not a good thing.