My Quest for 405

Double D · 09-08-2009, 07:44 PM

Nice bench big fella!

Stewart14 · 09-08-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Malley

Nice bench big fella!

eh, that's chump change for you right, what did you do the same weight for 5 reps today? Sheesh

Double D · 09-09-2009, 08:01 AM

345 is alot of weight regardless who puts it up for however many reps. I am sore as shit today! How about yourself?

Triple Threat · 09-09-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Stewart14

What a messed up workout. Nothing like sucking down a stim drink prior to working out, only to have to stop 15 minutes in

Something similar recently happened to Burner. I've also had it happen to me.

It's really annoying having all this pent-up energy and no way to release it.

Stewart14 · 09-09-2009, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple Threat

Something similar recently happened to Burner. I've also had it happen to me.

It's really annoying having all this pent-up energy and no way to release it.

top it off with the fact that I usually eat breakfast at like 8:00 and then do my workout around 11:30, so normally I am like ravaging hungry when I am done, but add in a 20 minute feeding break to that, and I was about to eat my hand off, I was so hungry.

And the worst part is, you want to keep going cause of the stimulant in you, but your belly is like eating itself, so it's a little hard to concentrate at that point

Stewart14 · 09-09-2009, 01:03 PM

Sept 9

BACK/BIs

Chest Supported Rows
160 x 6
160 x 6
160 x 6

Plate Loaded Pulldowns
145 x 6
145 x 6
145 x 6

DB Curls
52.5 x 6
52.5 x 6
52.5 x 6

Rear Laterals
40 x 8
40 x 8

DeFranco DB Power Cleans
20 x 10
20 x 10

*Splitting up the upper body work into a bench session and a back session. Still going to do a me bench day and a de bench day, I will use the same back day, just work up to 8 reps per set from 6 and then start over. Thought I was shortchanging my back work the other way, plus this lets me get more in on both days instead of combining stuff

Double D · 09-09-2009, 03:48 PM

Dude your curls are strong!

Archangel · 09-09-2009, 05:23 PM

Sweet Jesus the VOLUME is insane!!!

Excellent workouts in here my Friend!!!

Stewart14 · 09-09-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malley

345 is alot of weight regardless who puts it up for however many reps. I am sore as shit today! How about yourself?

I am not sore at all in the chest area. I am thinking that's gonna change next bench day since I suspect there will be a bit more volume...

Stewart14 · 09-09-2009, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malley

Dude your curls are strong!

eh, they're alright....when I get to 65 pound dbs, then you can say they are strong!

Stewart14 · 09-09-2009, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rks1969

Haven't checked in for a while. Just wondering if you've ever actually made the 405 bench press.

sorry i missed this, but nope, not even close! Actually I have been doing all different sorts of routines not geared toward that goal for the past while, but I'm getting back at it now. Something tells me however, that it's just not in the cards for me to do it, well, at least raw anyway. Maybe with the old bench shirt I might get there, but once I get in the 350ish range, I just stop dead, can't get any higher. Put up 345 the other day, but I guarantee next time I bench when I try 350, I only have a 50-50 chance of making it. We'll see

Stewart14 · 09-09-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Sweet Jesus the VOLUME is insane!!!

Excellent workouts in here my Friend!!!

Oh, I know you're scared of the volume Archie, but if you think this is a lot of volume, what do you say about TT's workouts lately?? You must pass out every time you read his workouts!

Archangel · 09-09-2009, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart14

Oh, I know you're scared of the volume Archie, but if you think this is a lot of volume, what do you say about TT's workouts lately?? You must pass out every time you read his workouts!

I aint scared, LoL!!! This is me and volume:

VOLUME vs.

From now on its the "V" word

You are BOTH insane!!!

Burner02 · 09-09-2009, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart14

sorry i missed this, but nope, not even close! Actually I have been doing all different sorts of routines not geared toward that goal for the past while, but I'm getting back at it now. Something tells me however, that it's just not in the cards for me to do it, well, at least raw anyway. Maybe with the old bench shirt I might get there, but once I get in the 350ish range, I just stop dead, can't get any higher. Put up 345 the other day, but I guarantee next time I bench when I try 350, I only have a 50-50 chance of making it. We'll see

hey Stew-
Definately sound like a mental block. You're already telling yourself you can't do it.
Is there anyway you can get someone there to spot you? Try some static holds or negatives w/ the 405? Once you see the weight moving under your power...you can break that barrier?

Your chest workout....for being cut short...lookin' good, bud

**Gazhole** · 09-10-2009, 10:12 AM

Looking good, man! Damn heavy benching.

Like Burner said, negatives might help getting past 350. Where in the bench do you lose it, usually? Could be a good idea to put in some focus work on just your weak portions of the rep using blocks or pins or something.

Stewart14 · 09-10-2009, 02:10 PM

Sept 10

Box Squats (8" box)
225 x 6
225 x 6
225 x 6

Bulgarian Split Squats
52.5s x 6
52.5s x 6
52.5s x 6

Glute Ham Raises
BW+10 x 6
BW+10 x 6
BW+10 x 6

*Some observations:

I decided to measure the bench I use as my "box" to see how low it was, and it measured around 8 inches. Well, that would make sense seeing how my hip joints felt like they were going to explode going down to sit on this thing. See, I am going wide to help protect my back, and may be inadvertantly screwing up my hip joints in the process. Maybe I will raise the "box" next time. I will say it is pretty damn hard getting up off an 8 inch box though...very tough even with this weight. The pause on the bench just makes it so much more difficult....

The only thing I have to say about the split squats is whoever invented that exercise should be shot on sight. thank you, good night.

Double D · 09-10-2009, 05:14 PM

I have been working with a few different sports trainers recently and they hate box squats. They say its ok to touch and go, but dont seperate the 2 movements because it places all the weight on your lower back.

Stewart14 · 09-10-2009, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malley

I have been working with a few different sports trainers recently and they hate box squats. They say its ok to touch and go, but dont seperate the 2 movements because it places all the weight on your lower back.

I respectfully have to disagree with them that it DOES NOT place all the weight on your low back IF you do them correctly. Now, from my understanding of it, the correct way is to assume a wide stance, initiate the movement by sitting back and keep sitting back until you land on the box under control, then release your hip muscles for a second while keeping everything else tight, then activate your hips, glutes and legs and get off the box. It looks like your sitting on it, but it's basically a gentle landing and slight rocking motion, you're not sitting down like in a chair with all that weight on your back, your leg muscles and hip muscles are always still supporting the weight.

I know it's anecdotal to say this, but when I do them, I feel ZERO anything in my lower back, I feel it all in my hips and legs.

Archangel · 09-10-2009, 07:20 PM

I say load the bar after warmups, with 360, try it once, It will break your muscle to mind block and then the barrier will be NON-Existant!!! Just my 2 cents my Friend!!!

Stewart14 · 09-10-2009, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archangel

I say load the bar after warmups, with 360, try it once, It will break your back and then the barrier will be NON-Existant!!! Just my 2 cents my Friend!!!

Fixed.

Stewart14 · 09-10-2009, 07:46 PM

it;s definitely not a "barrier" on squats...on my bench,maybe, but on squats, it's not that I am scared of the weight or have a mental block, I just can't physically do it. I know you will say that's bs, but my body mechanics cannot physically handle a heavy weight squat.

I am gonna focus on the box squats for a while and work up with that....if anything, technically if I get strong at these, it should really make for an easy free squat considering it is more difficult off the box, so we'll see.

Archangel · 09-10-2009, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart14

Fixed.

Was talking about your Bench, NOT squat!!!

Triple Threat · 09-11-2009, 11:52 AM

I agree with everything that Stew said about box squats. I feel no discomfort of any kind in the lower back.

Stewart14 · 09-12-2009, 10:29 AM

Sept 12

Bench Press
305 x 3
305 x 3
305 x 3

Standing OH Press
140 x 8
140 x 8
140 x 8

Side Laterals
30 x 8
30 x 8

Double D · 09-13-2009, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart14

I respectfully have to disagree with them that it DOES NOT place all the weight on your low back IF you do them correctly. Now, from my understanding of it, the correct way is to assume a wide stance, initiate the movement by sitting back and keep sitting back until you land on the box under control, then release your hip muscles for a second while keeping everything else tight, then activate your hips, glutes and legs and get off the box. It looks like your sitting on it, but it's basically a gentle landing and slight rocking motion, you're not sitting down like in a chair with all that weight on your back, your leg muscles and hip muscles are always still supporting the weight.

I know it's anecdotal to say this, but when I do them, I feel ZERO anything in my lower back, I feel it all in my hips and legs.

You definitely do them differently than me then. I feel it in my lower back pretty bad. But everyone squats differently.

Stewart14 · 09-13-2009, 12:36 PM

Sept 13

Sumo Deadlifts
315 x 3
315 x 3
315 x 3

Box Squats
225 x 6
225 x 6
225 x 6

Chinups
BW+25 x 6
BW+25 x 6
BW+25 x 6

*I did this workout as a test for my lower back, and as of writing this, I think it failed the test. Of course, I can completely lay off lower body training, which I really don't want to do, or I can be smarter about it, like not do this particular workout ever again, lol. The deads were super light and I purposely did squats after to test things. I am thinking the best course of action would be to stop completely, but not having any leg equipement at home to circumvent the low back (and no, lunges and single leg squats, STILL use the low back whether you want to or not) like leg extensions and curls, it will be hard to stop the leg work...I don't want to lose whatever base I actually do have.

Maybe, just separate these two movements into two different days, and just do the one movement then call it a day. Deads on one day for 3x3 followed by back and bis, then box squats for 3x6-8 on the other day plus back and bis. Might be more manageable.

Or, if I actually get some time I might go to a sports doc and get this checked out just to make sure I didn't actually herniate anything and I am really screwing it up by continuing...

Triple Threat · 09-14-2009, 06:33 AM

What kind of problems/symptoms are you having?

Stewart14 · 09-14-2009, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple Threat

What kind of problems/symptoms are you having?

Hard to explain, but when I am sitting say in a chair there is a general discomfort in my back, and then when I go to get up sometimes for lack of a better explanation, it seems like my back "locks up" and it takes a second or so for me to straighten up, and then it feels fine.

Bending over seems to cause discomfort as well, just like a sore feeling, which as the days go on seems to not be muscle. I am going with a tendon or ligament issue, I don't think I herniated anything, most people describe a pop or something when it happens, this just occurred after being a little overzealous that one week with the squats and deads, so maybe it is a strain from overuse, but of course I know nothing, so I might have to go see someone if this keeps up.

09-09-2009, 01:03 PM	#1596
Stewart14 Weapon of Choice Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in my home gym Posts: 3,604 Photos: 2	Sept 9 BACK/BIs Chest Supported Rows 160 x 6 160 x 6 160 x 6 Plate Loaded Pulldowns 145 x 6 145 x 6 145 x 6 DB Curls 52.5 x 6 52.5 x 6 52.5 x 6 Rear Laterals 40 x 8 40 x 8 DeFranco DB Power Cleans 20 x 10 20 x 10 *Splitting up the upper body work into a bench session and a back session. Still going to do a me bench day and a de bench day, I will use the same back day, just work up to 8 reps per set from 6 and then start over. Thought I was shortchanging my back work the other way, plus this lets me get more in on both days instead of combining stuff http://futuretrainer.blogspot.com/ --My new blog!!

09-09-2009, 05:23 PM	#1598
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,529 Photos: 4	Sweet Jesus the VOLUME is insane!!! Excellent workouts in here my Friend!!! "I can do ALL things through Christ, who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13 "For NOTHING is impossible with GOD" - Luke 1:37

09-10-2009, 10:12 AM	#1605
Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 7,999 Photos: 19	Looking good, man! Damn heavy benching. Like Burner said, negatives might help getting past 350. Where in the bench do you lose it, usually? Could be a good idea to put in some focus work on just your weak portions of the rep using blocks or pins or something. http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

09-10-2009, 02:10 PM	#1606
Stewart14 Weapon of Choice Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in my home gym Posts: 3,604 Photos: 2	Sept 10 Box Squats (8" box) 225 x 6 225 x 6 225 x 6 Bulgarian Split Squats 52.5s x 6 52.5s x 6 52.5s x 6 Glute Ham Raises BW+10 x 6 BW+10 x 6 BW+10 x 6 *Some observations: I decided to measure the bench I use as my "box" to see how low it was, and it measured around 8 inches. Well, that would make sense seeing how my hip joints felt like they were going to explode going down to sit on this thing. See, I am going wide to help protect my back, and may be inadvertantly screwing up my hip joints in the process. Maybe I will raise the "box" next time. I will say it is pretty damn hard getting up off an 8 inch box though...very tough even with this weight. The pause on the bench just makes it so much more difficult.... The only thing I have to say about the split squats is whoever invented that exercise should be shot on sight. thank you, good night. http://futuretrainer.blogspot.com/ --My new blog!!

09-10-2009, 07:20 PM	#1609
Archangel High Intensity Freak Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Intensity Island Posts: 10,529 Photos: 4	I say load the bar after warmups, with 360, try it once, It will break your muscle to mind block and then the barrier will be NON-Existant!!! Just my 2 cents my Friend!!! "I can do ALL things through Christ, who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13 "For NOTHING is impossible with GOD" - Luke 1:37

09-08-2009, 07:44 PM	#1591
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	Nice bench big fella!

09-09-2009, 08:01 AM	#1593
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	345 is alot of weight regardless who puts it up for however many reps. I am sore as shit today! How about yourself?

09-09-2009, 03:48 PM	#1597
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	Dude your curls are strong!

09-10-2009, 05:14 PM	#1607
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	I have been working with a few different sports trainers recently and they hate box squats. They say its ok to touch and go, but dont seperate the 2 movements because it places all the weight on your lower back.

09-10-2009, 07:46 PM	#1611
Stewart14 Weapon of Choice Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in my home gym Posts: 3,604 Photos: 2	it;s definitely not a "barrier" on squats...on my bench,maybe, but on squats, it's not that I am scared of the weight or have a mental block, I just can't physically do it. I know you will say that's bs, but my body mechanics cannot physically handle a heavy weight squat. I am gonna focus on the box squats for a while and work up with that....if anything, technically if I get strong at these, it should really make for an easy free squat considering it is more difficult off the box, so we'll see. http://futuretrainer.blogspot.com/ --My new blog!!

09-11-2009, 11:52 AM	#1613
Triple Threat End of the world Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 10,444 Photos: 6	I agree with everything that Stew said about box squats. I feel no discomfort of any kind in the lower back.

09-12-2009, 10:29 AM	#1614
Stewart14 Weapon of Choice Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in my home gym Posts: 3,604 Photos: 2	Sept 12 Bench Press 305 x 3 305 x 3 305 x 3 Standing OH Press 140 x 8 140 x 8 140 x 8 Side Laterals 30 x 8 30 x 8 http://futuretrainer.blogspot.com/ --My new blog!!

09-13-2009, 12:36 PM	#1616
Stewart14 Weapon of Choice Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: in my home gym Posts: 3,604 Photos: 2	Sept 13 Sumo Deadlifts 315 x 3 315 x 3 315 x 3 Box Squats 225 x 6 225 x 6 225 x 6 Chinups BW+25 x 6 BW+25 x 6 BW+25 x 6 *I did this workout as a test for my lower back, and as of writing this, I think it failed the test. Of course, I can completely lay off lower body training, which I really don't want to do, or I can be smarter about it, like not do this particular workout ever again, lol. The deads were super light and I purposely did squats after to test things. I am thinking the best course of action would be to stop completely, but not having any leg equipement at home to circumvent the low back (and no, lunges and single leg squats, STILL use the low back whether you want to or not) like leg extensions and curls, it will be hard to stop the leg work...I don't want to lose whatever base I actually do have. Maybe, just separate these two movements into two different days, and just do the one movement then call it a day. Deads on one day for 3x3 followed by back and bis, then box squats for 3x6-8 on the other day plus back and bis. Might be more manageable. Or, if I actually get some time I might go to a sports doc and get this checked out just to make sure I didn't actually herniate anything and I am really screwing it up by continuing... http://futuretrainer.blogspot.com/ --My new blog!!

09-14-2009, 06:33 AM	#1617
Triple Threat End of the world Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 10,444 Photos: 6	What kind of problems/symptoms are you having?

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