No whining

**Built** · 09-17-2008, 01:37 AM

Smart man.

Can you do some pre/rehab stuff during the layoff? Maybe go for a swim and a hottub?

nadirmg · 09-21-2008, 12:22 PM

well I was gonna try swimming today, but something weird is happening with my shoulder - actually the exact muscle that I strained two weeks ago.

it's twitching. sometimes muscles twitch but by the time you realize it and try to feel it twitching with your hand it stops. know what I mean?

well today my right rear delt has been twitching like CRAZY. since 8am, so over 4 hours. not constantly but off and on for 10-30 seconds at a time. it's doing it right now. i'm looking over my shoulder and can see it freakin' dancing right now. WTF.

not sure what to do. may it needs a good stretch with swimming? maybe i should leave it the hell alone?

**Built** · 09-21-2008, 10:12 PM

Potassium?

nadirmg · 09-21-2008, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Potassium?

It's been doing it off and on this whole day. 8am to as late as 10pm. Totally weird. Sure. I'll try some potassium. Sweet potatoes!

**Built** · 09-21-2008, 11:15 PM

And bananas. I wouldn't worry about it - I've had these too. Get your electrolytes up - potassium, calcium, sodium.

nadirmg · 09-22-2008, 08:06 PM

Had some more twitching/spazzing but nothing compared to yesterday. I'm tired of doing nothing so I'm gonna start swimming a bit 3-4 times a week for the next 1-2 weeks and see how I do.

Might do bananas before I swim but I'm really trying to stay away from simple carbs since I'm not very active these days.

**Built** · 09-22-2008, 08:07 PM

Just get a potassium supp. I need one myself, actually.

If you're not in any pain, I say go for it.

nadirmg · 09-22-2008, 09:46 PM

I've been productive tonight

I've got the potassium supplement plus a sugar-free fiber supplement I've been needing since I'm low carbing it, except for my 25g of fibrous veggies - just no brown rice or oatmeal, which I'm usually getting.

Also hit the pool for about 12 minutes of laps. I'm gonna sleep so well tonight. Swimming will kick your face in. Finished it up with 10 min in the sauna, 3 min in the hot tub, 5 min of steam room, and a 3 gallons of water that I'll be peeing every 1 hour or so during the night.

nadirmg · 10-22-2008, 04:07 PM

I've been easing back into the gym for about two weeks now. I'm usually there 3 days a week. I'm gaining back the strength that I've lost over the past several weeks.

In fact I ripped a new PR on rack pulls this week: 315lbs.

My shoulders still have not fully recovered. I'm thinking what I need/want to do is this: continue working out but not hit my shoulders with heavy/direct exercises (ex. hang clean and presses).

I'm back on BGB and doing everything pretty much minus said exercises. I need to start counting my cals again because I know I haven't been eating enough.

I'm kind of at a crossroads though. I don't really want to get much bigger. Except for maybe my pecs. Anyway I'm toying with the idea of cutting. I'm pretty sure I can lose so fat, but I really want to lose the handles and pudge of fat over my lower abs. But I've gotta add in cardio.

Built, I've been reading your articles on doing cardio to help me set up how I'm going to do it. I want to get started on it Monday next week and am ready to drop the pudge!

**Built** · 10-23-2008, 12:17 AM

You don't need to add in cardio to drop fat - but a little is good for your heart and your circulation.

I am SO sorry to hear of your ongoing shoulder-woes. Dammit. Are you working with a physiotherapist for it?

What is your diet looking like lately? You tracking at all?

**Merkaba** · 10-23-2008, 03:18 AM

lol...curling in the squat rack! Righto!

Good progress in the body composition. This is my first time checking out this thread.

nadirmg · 10-24-2008, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

You don't need to add in cardio to drop fat - but a little is good for your heart and your circulation.

I am SO sorry to hear of your ongoing shoulder-woes. Dammit. Are you working with a physiotherapist for it?

What is your diet looking like lately? You tracking at all?

Nah, I haven't been seeing anyone to help me nurse it back to health. I don't have the money for it right now. I did see someone almost a year ago, so I'll most likely resume the rehab stuff he taught me.

My diet...

I've been eating healthy and clean. But I haven't been paying attention to how many cals I'm getting. Haven't been tracking in weeks. But I am consciously eating 20-30g of protein each time I eat (5-6x a day), and I know I'm getting eat least 60g of fat a day. So I can be too far off where need to be with my fat and protein. Fiber I'm keeping up with broccoli and spinach. Other carbs, however, I've been cutting drastically unless it's directly before/after a workout.

Speaking of which, I just did horizontal pull/push today and I'm famished. Dropping the carbs really does make me feel puney in the gym (but it's helping me start to look good naked).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkaba

lol...curling in the squat rack! Righto!

Good progress in the body composition. This is my first time checking out this thread.

Thanks, Merkaba - welcome to my thread... which I've not been posting in for a while. Anyways welcome! Is that you in your avi?

nadirmg · 10-24-2008, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

You don't need to add in cardio to drop fat - but a little is good for your heart and your circulation.

Really? I guess creating a calorie deficit and continuing to lift heavy is what does it then...

See, I'm already pretty lean for the most part. I just can never seem to get rid of the last little bit. That's why I thought I might need to add in cardio. I'd really rather not do HIIT <yawn>. lol

But I've always heard that people getting ready for competitions will do cardio to get down into the single digits. Eventually you gotta add in cardio, right?

What's the REAL story, Built?? Teach me!

**Built** · 10-24-2008, 08:58 PM

They do a shit tonne of cardio because they started their cuts too late, and they think they're going to train off the fat.

Then end up training off the muscle, too.

You may benefit from a little HIIT at some point along the way, to mobilize fat stores so the steady-state cardio that ensues will have a fuel substrate that isn't muscle tissue, but most of your results will come from your diet.

You still dropping weight, or are you in maintenance now?

nadirmg · 10-24-2008, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

You may benefit from a little HIIT at some point along the way, to mobilize fat stores so the steady-state cardio that ensues will have a fuel substrate that isn't muscle tissue, but most of your results will come from your diet.

You still dropping weight, or are you in maintenance now?

I haven't weighed myself in weeks but my shirts still fit tight and I haven't noticed my pants getting ANY baggier, so my guess is that I haven't lost much.

In terms of strength, I'm still pushing myself to make gains where I can but I'm probably maxed out on stuff with my gimp shoulder like it is. Strength did go down in my weeks off but I've regained most of that ground I lost.

I take some pictures so I can compare and see what's happened over the past couple weeks.

**Built** · 10-24-2008, 09:25 PM

Track your calories and your weight so you can see what's happening. If you have some notion of your maintenance calories, drop those by 20% starting now. Or Monday if now is too fast.

nadirmg · 10-26-2008, 11:50 AM

Alright, I believe my maintenance to still be around 2500 calories. I'm still lifting about the same amount I was when I was lifting my heaviest and eating 3000+. So I'm going to shoot for 2000, maybe 2100. And see how I do.

Incidentally about 2000 is what I've been eating at these days anyway. I may not have been 'tracking' my cals, but I do have a good idea of what I've been eating. It generally follows something like this:

Breakfast:
4 whole eggs w/olive oil
1 tbsp of FF cream cheese

Mini meal:
1 scoop protein
15 almonds

Lunch:
1.5 cups of broccoli
5-6 oz boiled boneless skinless chicken breast

mini meal:
1 scoop protein
15 almonds

workout shake:
1 scoop protein
2 tbsp dextrose

dinner:
1 brick of frozen spinach
1 can of tuna
1 tbsp of FF cream cheese

snack
1/2 cup FF cottage cheese
1 tbsp peanut butter

Roughly it works out to the below screenshot:

Really sucks not having my morning oatmeal and a piece of fruit right before workouts. 'Welcome to cutting', right?

nadirmg · 10-26-2008, 01:29 PM

10.26.08 - lower - quad dominant ham accessory

back squat
185 x 5
225 x 5
225 x 5
225 x 5
225 x 5

back squat
135 x 8
145 x 8
135 x 8

split squats
85 x 10
75 x 10
no third set

standing BB curls
70 x 8
70 x 8
70 x 6

seated high incline DB curls
25 x 8
25 x 8
25 x 8

those split squats did me in today.

**Built** · 10-26-2008, 07:11 PM

Split squats are intense. All that balancing.

Good job.

nadirmg · 10-26-2008, 10:47 PM

So, Built. A while back I commented on how you haven't posted any new articles on your blog. You said you had some ideas/things you were working on.

Are they done yet?? Inquiring minds want to know.

**Built** · 10-26-2008, 11:31 PM

Ahhh, you got me. Yep, I've got a few things in the hopper at the moment, but nothing ready to roll. Current interests of mine include satiety, glucose uptake, steroid-readiness and precontest prep.

nadirmg · 10-27-2008, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Ahhh, you got me. Yep, I've got a few things in the hopper at the moment, but nothing ready to roll. Current interests of mine include satiety, glucose uptake, steroid-readiness and precontest prep.

I motion for precontest prep! I'd love to get the breakdown on how to methodically lose that last bit of fat.

**Built** · 10-27-2008, 09:44 AM

Precontest prep isn't about fat loss - it's about preparing the sculpture for display. It's a manipulation, not a diet.

Stubborn fat loss though, that's another baby of mine.

We'll talk...

**Merkaba** · 10-27-2008, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nadirmg

Thanks, Merkaba - welcome to my thread... which I've not been posting in for a while. Anyways welcome! Is that you in your avi?

Yea thats me. Thanks alot to Built actually.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nadirmg

Really? I guess creating a calorie deficit and continuing to lift heavy is what does it then...

This is the epiphany that so many don't understand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nadirmg

But I've always heard that people getting ready for competitions will do cardio to get down into the single digits. Eventually you gotta add in cardio, right?

What's the REAL story, Built?? Teach me!

And i bet that those you "heard" it from either were on "help" themselves or had either read it out of a magazine from someone who had a little extra "help" holding onto muscle density while doing that cardio as well, making it that much more targeted to fat.

nadirmg · 10-29-2008, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Precontest prep isn't about fat loss - it's about preparing the sculpture for display. It's a manipulation, not a diet.

Stubborn fat loss though, that's another baby of mine.

We'll talk...

Looking forward to it!

nadirmg · 10-29-2008, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merkaba

Yea thats me. Thanks alot to Built actually.

And i bet that those you "heard" it from either were on "help" themselves or had either read it out of a magazine from someone who had a little extra "help" holding onto muscle density while doing that cardio as well, making it that much more targeted to fat.

Built has helped me out a ton too. I know I'd still be a skinny bastard if she hadn't.

Your pics look great, dude. And all natural, eh? Props.

nadirmg · 10-29-2008, 09:43 AM

10.28.08 - Vertical Pull-push
weighted pull-ups
+35 x 5
+35 x 5
+35 x 5
+35 x 5
+35 x 5

un-weighted pull-ups
bw x 8
bw x 8
bw x 8

unilateral pull-downs
50 x 10
60 x 10
60 x 10

unilateral corner press
35 x 8
35 x 8
35 x 8

calf press
90 x 10
135 x 10
135 x 10
90 x 10

I weighed myself yesterday (148). Today I was 147. Looks like I didn't lose much muscle during my weeks off. Still a good 15 lbs heavier than I was back in March

I'm really excited about the cut that I'm on but on day 3 I'm already missing carbs.. oatmeal, beans and rice.... Built, today I'm going to go back and read your carb-cycling article.

How do you feel about refeeds during cuts? Maybe that's just plain counter-productive (stupid)?

**Built** · 10-29-2008, 03:19 PM

Refeeds are GOOD!

As you lean out, you need 'em more and more.

Nice work on the weighted chins! And Merkaba is indeed natty. Remarkable physique.

You're not doing so bad yourself...

Now, the carb cycling. I can set you up if you like. PM me this and I'll run some numbers:

LBM
Desired average calorie limit
Roughly how many grams protein you find comfortable
Roughly how high and how low your carb limit seems to feel
A ballpark of how many grams of fat you like to consume
Remind me it's for a four-day split.

I have a little calculator I built that spits out the numbers.

nadirmg · 10-29-2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Refeeds are GOOD!

You just made my day!

Quote:

As you lean out, you need 'em more and more.

That's kinda what I've been doing for a while now - but it's always been because I just felt like eating carbs and not because it was a planned refeed. Usually it'd been a day on the weekend when I'm not working out and just resting.

RasPlasch · 12-13-2008, 12:01 AM

.......Where'd you go?

09-17-2008, 01:37 AM	#541
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Smart man. Can you do some pre/rehab stuff during the layoff? Maybe go for a swim and a hottub? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

09-21-2008, 12:22 PM	#542
nadirmg hardr bettr fastr strongr Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 975 Photos: 7	well I was gonna try swimming today, but something weird is happening with my shoulder - actually the exact muscle that I strained two weeks ago. it's twitching. sometimes muscles twitch but by the time you realize it and try to feel it twitching with your hand it stops. know what I mean? well today my right rear delt has been twitching like CRAZY. since 8am, so over 4 hours. not constantly but off and on for 10-30 seconds at a time. it's doing it right now. i'm looking over my shoulder and can see it freakin' dancing right now. WTF. not sure what to do. may it needs a good stretch with swimming? maybe i should leave it the hell alone? w/o log 5'5" - currently bulking - 145lb on 5/16 weight goal I: 150 :: bench goal II:170 :: squat goal II: 250 :: weighted chin goal IV: +35 x 5 x 5

09-21-2008, 10:12 PM	#543
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Potassium? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

09-21-2008, 11:15 PM	#545
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	And bananas. I wouldn't worry about it - I've had these too. Get your electrolytes up - potassium, calcium, sodium. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

09-22-2008, 08:06 PM	#546
nadirmg hardr bettr fastr strongr Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 975 Photos: 7	Had some more twitching/spazzing but nothing compared to yesterday. I'm tired of doing nothing so I'm gonna start swimming a bit 3-4 times a week for the next 1-2 weeks and see how I do. Might do bananas before I swim but I'm really trying to stay away from simple carbs since I'm not very active these days. w/o log 5'5" - currently bulking - 145lb on 5/16 weight goal I: 150 :: bench goal II:170 :: squat goal II: 250 :: weighted chin goal IV: +35 x 5 x 5

09-22-2008, 08:07 PM	#547
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Just get a potassium supp. I need one myself, actually. If you're not in any pain, I say go for it. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

09-22-2008, 09:46 PM	#548
nadirmg hardr bettr fastr strongr Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 975 Photos: 7	I've been productive tonight I've got the potassium supplement plus a sugar-free fiber supplement I've been needing since I'm low carbing it, except for my 25g of fibrous veggies - just no brown rice or oatmeal, which I'm usually getting. Also hit the pool for about 12 minutes of laps. I'm gonna sleep so well tonight. Swimming will kick your face in. Finished it up with 10 min in the sauna, 3 min in the hot tub, 5 min of steam room, and a 3 gallons of water that I'll be peeing every 1 hour or so during the night. w/o log 5'5" - currently bulking - 145lb on 5/16 weight goal I: 150 :: bench goal II:170 :: squat goal II: 250 :: weighted chin goal IV: +35 x 5 x 5

10-22-2008, 04:07 PM	#549
nadirmg hardr bettr fastr strongr Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 975 Photos: 7	I've been easing back into the gym for about two weeks now. I'm usually there 3 days a week. I'm gaining back the strength that I've lost over the past several weeks. In fact I ripped a new PR on rack pulls this week: 315lbs. My shoulders still have not fully recovered. I'm thinking what I need/want to do is this: continue working out but not hit my shoulders with heavy/direct exercises (ex. hang clean and presses). I'm back on BGB and doing everything pretty much minus said exercises. I need to start counting my cals again because I know I haven't been eating enough. I'm kind of at a crossroads though. I don't really want to get much bigger. Except for maybe my pecs. Anyway I'm toying with the idea of cutting. I'm pretty sure I can lose so fat, but I really want to lose the handles and pudge of fat over my lower abs. But I've gotta add in cardio. Built, I've been reading your articles on doing cardio to help me set up how I'm going to do it. I want to get started on it Monday next week and am ready to drop the pudge! w/o log 5'5" - currently bulking - 145lb on 5/16 weight goal I: 150 :: bench goal II:170 :: squat goal II: 250 :: weighted chin goal IV: +35 x 5 x 5

10-23-2008, 12:17 AM	#550
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	You don't need to add in cardio to drop fat - but a little is good for your heart and your circulation. I am SO sorry to hear of your ongoing shoulder-woes. Dammit. Are you working with a physiotherapist for it? What is your diet looking like lately? You tracking at all? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

10-23-2008, 03:18 AM	#551
Merkaba "King of Cheat Meals" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: sc Posts: 1,625	lol...curling in the squat rack! Righto! Good progress in the body composition. This is my first time checking out this thread. Ban 2 1/2 's !!!!!! -------------------------------------------- Some Pics. All Natural

10-24-2008, 08:58 PM	#554
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	They do a shit tonne of cardio because they started their cuts too late, and they think they're going to train off the fat. Then end up training off the muscle, too. You may benefit from a little HIIT at some point along the way, to mobilize fat stores so the steady-state cardio that ensues will have a fuel substrate that isn't muscle tissue, but most of your results will come from your diet. You still dropping weight, or are you in maintenance now? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

10-24-2008, 09:25 PM	#556
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Track your calories and your weight so you can see what's happening. If you have some notion of your maintenance calories, drop those by 20% starting now. Or Monday if now is too fast. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

10-26-2008, 11:50 AM	#557
nadirmg hardr bettr fastr strongr Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 975 Photos: 7	Alright, I believe my maintenance to still be around 2500 calories. I'm still lifting about the same amount I was when I was lifting my heaviest and eating 3000+. So I'm going to shoot for 2000, maybe 2100. And see how I do. Incidentally about 2000 is what I've been eating at these days anyway. I may not have been 'tracking' my cals, but I do have a good idea of what I've been eating. It generally follows something like this: Breakfast: 4 whole eggs w/olive oil 1 tbsp of FF cream cheese Mini meal: 1 scoop protein 15 almonds Lunch: 1.5 cups of broccoli 5-6 oz boiled boneless skinless chicken breast mini meal: 1 scoop protein 15 almonds workout shake: 1 scoop protein 2 tbsp dextrose dinner: 1 brick of frozen spinach 1 can of tuna 1 tbsp of FF cream cheese snack 1/2 cup FF cottage cheese 1 tbsp peanut butter Roughly it works out to the below screenshot: Really sucks not having my morning oatmeal and a piece of fruit right before workouts. 'Welcome to cutting', right? w/o log 5'5" - currently bulking - 145lb on 5/16 weight goal I: 150 :: bench goal II:170 :: squat goal II: 250 :: weighted chin goal IV: +35 x 5 x 5

10-26-2008, 01:29 PM	#558
nadirmg hardr bettr fastr strongr Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 975 Photos: 7	10.26.08 - lower - quad dominant ham accessory back squat 185 x 5 225 x 5 225 x 5 225 x 5 225 x 5 back squat 135 x 8 145 x 8 135 x 8 split squats 85 x 10 75 x 10 no third set standing BB curls 70 x 8 70 x 8 70 x 6 seated high incline DB curls 25 x 8 25 x 8 25 x 8 those split squats did me in today. w/o log 5'5" - currently bulking - 145lb on 5/16 weight goal I: 150 :: bench goal II:170 :: squat goal II: 250 :: weighted chin goal IV: +35 x 5 x 5

10-26-2008, 07:11 PM	#559
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Split squats are intense. All that balancing. Good job. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

10-26-2008, 10:47 PM	#560
nadirmg hardr bettr fastr strongr Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 975 Photos: 7	So, Built. A while back I commented on how you haven't posted any new articles on your blog. You said you had some ideas/things you were working on. Are they done yet?? Inquiring minds want to know. w/o log 5'5" - currently bulking - 145lb on 5/16 weight goal I: 150 :: bench goal II:170 :: squat goal II: 250 :: weighted chin goal IV: +35 x 5 x 5

10-26-2008, 11:31 PM	#561
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Ahhh, you got me. Yep, I've got a few things in the hopper at the moment, but nothing ready to roll. Current interests of mine include satiety, glucose uptake, steroid-readiness and precontest prep. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

10-27-2008, 09:44 AM	#563
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Precontest prep isn't about fat loss - it's about preparing the sculpture for display. It's a manipulation, not a diet. Stubborn fat loss though, that's another baby of mine. We'll talk... Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

10-29-2008, 09:43 AM	#567
nadirmg hardr bettr fastr strongr Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 975 Photos: 7	10.28.08 - Vertical Pull-push weighted pull-ups +35 x 5 +35 x 5 +35 x 5 +35 x 5 +35 x 5 un-weighted pull-ups bw x 8 bw x 8 bw x 8 unilateral pull-downs 50 x 10 60 x 10 60 x 10 unilateral corner press 35 x 8 35 x 8 35 x 8 calf press 90 x 10 135 x 10 135 x 10 90 x 10 I weighed myself yesterday (148). Today I was 147. Looks like I didn't lose much muscle during my weeks off. Still a good 15 lbs heavier than I was back in March I'm really excited about the cut that I'm on but on day 3 I'm already missing carbs.. oatmeal, beans and rice.... Built, today I'm going to go back and read your carb-cycling article. How do you feel about refeeds during cuts? Maybe that's just plain counter-productive (stupid)? w/o log 5'5" - currently bulking - 145lb on 5/16 weight goal I: 150 :: bench goal II:170 :: squat goal II: 250 :: weighted chin goal IV: +35 x 5 x 5

10-29-2008, 03:19 PM	#568
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,120	Refeeds are GOOD! As you lean out, you need 'em more and more. Nice work on the weighted chins! And Merkaba is indeed natty. Remarkable physique. You're not doing so bad yourself... Now, the carb cycling. I can set you up if you like. PM me this and I'll run some numbers: LBM Desired average calorie limit Roughly how many grams protein you find comfortable Roughly how high and how low your carb limit seems to feel A ballpark of how many grams of fat you like to consume Remind me it's for a four-day split. I have a little calculator I built that spits out the numbers. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

12-13-2008, 12:01 AM	#570
RasPlasch Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,038 Photos: 3	.......Where'd you go?

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