Thread: Jet with 228 aboard disappears

WOW. how sad.

Terrible!

This is why I hate to fly.

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Terrible!

This is why I hate to fly.

Very Terrible. But statistically you have a greater chance dying, driving around.

i think if you watch the news enough..you'll come to realize that, this has been happening a lot lately. i think its airplane companies taking shortcuts,because of the money situations.who ever is in charge in overseeing the matainence ,is most likely not doing their job.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Very Terrible. But statistically you have a greater chance dying, driving around.

This is very true, but the fear factor is all thought consuming.

Besides, before every flight this is my excuse to pound a few shots of Tequila and have a few beer chasers.

Really sad.....wonder what those people are going through....But planes have that GPS locater which start's homing, right?

Originally Posted by IronAddict

Besides, before every flight this is my excuse to pound a few shots of Tequila and have a few beer chasers.

What you don't do that every morning just dealing with life.... oh I guess it is just me.

Originally Posted by nkira

Really sad.....wonder what those people are going through...PROBABLY SOME SHARKS INTESTINES, though they could have had a pilot who gracefully skipped the plane on the water and they are floating on their seat cushions...But planes have that GPS locater which start's homing, right?

If you read the article they said the Black Box was likely deep under the ocean.....

Damn!!! Engineers!! They should make one that FLOATS!!

Originally Posted by maniclion

If you read the article they said the Black Box was likely deep under the ocean.....

Originally Posted by nkira

Damn!!! Engineers!! They should make one that FLOATS!!

If engineers were really bright they would make the whole plane a black box that floats, then we could ask the pilots what happened.....

I am flying on this Saturday, it's a short flight but still....

Air France Plane Missing

Possible Debris From Missing Jet Found
Airplane Seat Among Items Spotted in Atlantic Ocean
By MARCO SIBAJA
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BRASILIA, Brazil (June 2) – An airplane seat, a life jacket, metallic debris and signs of fuel were found in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on Tuesday by Brazilian military pilots searching for a missing Air France airliner.
The debris was spotted from the air about 410 miles (650 kilometers) north of the Brazilian island of Fernando de Noronha, roughly along the path that the jet was taking before it disappeared with 228 people on board, said Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral.
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This maps shows the flight path of Air France Flight 447, which disappeared over the Atlantic Ocean Monday after running into very turbulent weather. Authorities fear the plane crashed with all 228 aboard killed. Brazilian military pilots spotted some plane debris in the water on Tuesday.
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There were no signs of life in two sightings of separate debris areas about 60 kilometers (35 miles) apart.
"The locations where the objects were found are towards the right of the point where the last signal of the plane was emitted," Amaral said. "That suggests that it might have tried to make a turn, maybe to return to Fernando de Noronha, but that is just a hypothesis."
Amaral said authorities would not be able to confirm that the debris is from the plane until they can retrieve some of it from the ocean for identification. Brazilian military ships are not expected to arrive at the area until Wednesday.
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The discovery came more than 24 hours after the jet bound from Rio de Janeiro to Paris went missing, with all feared dead.
Rescuers were still scanning a vast sweep of ocean extending from far off northeastern Brazil to waters off West Africa. The 4-year-old Airbus A330 was last heard from at 0214 GMT Monday (10:14 p.m. EDT Sunday).
Investigators on both sides of the ocean were trying to determine what brought it down. Potential causes included shifting winds and hail from towering thunderheads, lightning or a combination of other factors.
An automatic message sent from the plane just before it disappeared said that the plane was losing pressure and had experienced an electrical failure.
If there are no survivors, as feared, it would be the world's worst aviation disaster since 2001.
On board the flight were 61 French citizens, 58 Brazilians, 26 Germans, nine Chinese and nine Italians. A lesser number of citizens from 27 other countries also were on the passenger list, including two Americans.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said he told family members of passengers that prospects of finding survivors are "very small."
Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva expressed hope that survivors could be found.
Air France was helping Brazilian relatives of the passengers at the airport in Rio. Bernardo Ciriaco, a civil servant, said he arrived at the airport in a panic because he knew his brother Gustavo was on one of two Air France flights heading to Paris on Sunday night.
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A small plane slammed into a home after taking off from the Fort Lauderdale Executive Airport in Florida on April 17. The pilot had reported a problem and was on his way back to the airport when he crashed. The accident killed the 80-year-old pilot and destroyed the house, but no one on the ground was hurt.
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About two hours later, he received a phone call from Gustavo, telling him he had landed safely in Europe.
Gustavo told him that he had been bumped to the flight that is missing but had insisted that he be allowed on the booked earlier flight and arrived safely.
"Our family is so relieved," Ciriaco said.
Retired professor Vasdir Ester told the Terra Web site that her 40-year-old daughter Adriana Francisca Van Sluings was on the flight. Ester said Van Sluings is afraid of flying and was very worried before taking the flight.
While what happened to the plane has not been determined, a Pentagon official said he'd seen no indication of terrorism or foul play. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the subject.
Sarkozy said the cause of the plane's disappearance remains unclear and that "no hypothesis" is being excluded.
The plane was cruising normally at 35,000 feet (10,670 meters) and 522 mph (840 kph) just before it disappeared nearly four hours into the flight. No trouble was reported as the plane left radar contact, beyond Brazil's Fernando de Noronha archipelago, at 10:48 p.m. local time (9:48 p.m. EDT Sunday, 0148 GMT Monday).
But just north of the equator, a line of towering thunderstorms loomed. Bands of extremely turbulent weather stretched across the Atlantic toward Africa, as they often do in the area this time of year.
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The plane "crossed through a thunderous zone with strong turbulence," Air France said. About 14 minutes later, at 11:14 p.m. local time, (10:14 p.m. EDT Sunday, 0214 GMT Monday), an automatic message was sent reporting electrical system failure and a loss of cabin pressure. Air France said the message was the last it heard from Flight 447.
Chief Air France spokesman Francois Brousse said a lightning strike could have damaged the plane. Henry Margusity, a senior meteorologist for AccuWeather.com, noted that the thunderstorms towered up to 50,000 feet (15,240 meters) in the area, so it was possible that the plane flew directly into the most charged part of the storm — the top of it.
Other experts doubted a bolt of lightning would be enough to bring the jet down. Some pointed to turbulence as a more dangerous factor.
"Lightning issues have been considered since the beginning of aviation. They were far more prevalent when aircraft operated at low altitudes. They are less common now since it's easier to avoid thunderstorms," said Bill Voss, president and CEO of Flight Safety Foundation, in Alexandria, Virginia.
Voss said planes are built to dissipate electricity along the aircraft's skin, and are tested for resistance to big electromagnetic shocks.
Former U.S. National Transportation Safety Board chairman Jim Hall said that since the A330 is widely used in international travel it was vitally important to locate the black boxes as quickly as possible and analyze what happened to Flight 447.
"At this point accident investigators can't rule out anything," he said. "But these aircraft are designed to withstand almost any lightning strikes or any level of turbulence."
Although aviation experts stressed it was much too early to speculate about the causes of the crash, they noted that the accident was most likely caused by various factors that combined to cause a catastrophic chain of events.
"It sounds like something that evolved into a problem, not something that happened instantly," Voss said. "It would appear that their systems were degrading but we don't know why they were degrading."
The plane disappeared in an area of the mid-Atlantic ocean not covered by radar. Brazilian, African, Spanish and French air traffic controllers tried in vain to establish contact.
Air France-KLM CEO Pierre-Henri Gourgeon said the pilot had 11,000 hours of flying experience, including 1,700 hours flying this aircraft.
Experts said the absence of a mayday call meant something happened very quickly.
"The conclusion to be drawn is that something catastrophic happened on board that has caused this airplane to ditch in a controlled or an uncontrolled fashion," Jane's Aviation analyst Chris Yates told The Associated Press. "Potentially it went down very quickly and so quickly that the pilot on board didn't have a chance to make that emergency call."
If all 228 people were killed, it would be the deadliest commercial airline disaster since Nov. 12, 2001, when an American Airlines jetliner crashed in the New York City borough of Queens during a flight to the Dominican Republic, killing 265 people.
Airbus spokeswoman Maggie Bergsma said it was the first fatal accident of a A330-200 since a test flight in 1994 went wrong, killing seven people in Toulouse.
The Airbus A330-200 is a twin-engine, long-haul, medium-capacity passenger jet that can hold up to 253 passengers. There are 341 in use worldwide, flying up to 7,760 miles (12,500 kilometers) a trip.

wow, such a sad story.