min0 lee

You know your unto something here.

Dale Mabry

What about a publicly funded liberation of the Iraqi people? I assume you have no problem with that. No one is taking anything away from you, you already pay for people without health care and will be allowed to use your private insurance. What we are talking about is a gov't policy to compete.

And I would love to hear the logic you use to go from publicly funded healthcare to a publicly funded motorcycle.

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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min0 lee

Meaning I want a free motorcycle.

Dale Mabry

We already have publicly funded food, publicly funded unemployment, publicly funded financial aid...What is it about publicly funded health care that will get the gov't saying, "Fuck it, you know what, let's give away motorcycles."?

What I would also like to know is how Prince, who has already said he pays for private insurance, is looking for a handout. Obviously he sees a problem and is looking for a solution, he's not looking for a handout. Even better, the problem affects him very little, if at all, and he is looking for a solution. Hell, I didn't use my health insurance once last year and my premium went up $50, how the fuck is that just? How is that a fluidly working system?

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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Prince

Is that what I said? Of all the people and posts in here you quoted me, it seems that you just wanted to attack me personally, many others are saying the same thing I am in this thread.

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Prince

nice statistic, yeah I am sure that is 100% accurate.

Built is Canadian and she seems to be happy with the health care they have.

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IainDaniel

Ditto.

However I like that we are starting to see a two tier system happening, where if you have the money you can get looked at quicker.

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

Michael Jordan

ALBOB

This logic has baffled me since time began. Yeah, we're already paying for shit, so what? That doesn't make it RIGHT. It's exactly the same as another hot button issue; "The illegal aliens are already here so let's just go ahead and give them all the benefits of citizenship". Sorry, in my mind that's moronic.

Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

bio-chem

this right here i wish was more of a wake up call to the US.

IainDaniel

Why?

No one is saying either system is perfect.

However, when medical care is bankrupting people, there is a serious problem

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

Michael Jordan

min0 lee

I heard you were ancient but I always thought it was just a gag.

dg806

Isn't this what it is all about anyway. You have money, no problem.
No money, you are screwed either way.

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dg806

We pay for everything now. Don't people realize that is why we are in this mess now, and looking for the government to fund everything? When will people realize this can't go on. It's got to get to a point where people pay for their own just like you do. And I also think employer based insurance needs to go private. Most pay high premiums anyway and could just as easily pay for private insurance. And for those who don't work, they won't have any. Sorry. Days of the free ride is over. Handicapped or really disabled people should be provided for, but not lazy people who want handouts.

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IainDaniel

How are you screwed?

I can go to the Doc anytime. Certain things have longer timelines.

I don't have to worry about insurance dropping me, cause I am too big of a liability. Or ridiculous increases to my premium

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

Michael Jordan

maniclion

Are we really giving handouts to people just because they are lazy?

"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
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maniclion

This Rubiks Cube thing is easier than that durn'd Health Care Issue, good luck with that one ObaOne The Chosen.....hehe, it's like the gift I left for you in the master turdlet.....

"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

ALBOB

Are you really saying you've never heard of welfare??? Obama's idea of healthcare is nothing more than an extension of that.

Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

ALBOB

Which is exactly why people should listen to me more.

Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

maniclion

A handful of individuals may take advantage of welfare programs, but many of the recipients are in need of it, not everyone in our nation can get a high paying job. I've known people who should have been on welfare who were too proud to accept it (my father was one of them) then there are people with no shame in milking their welfare for all they can, even cranking out more children to stay eligible. Some may say my cousin in Texas is just lazy because he has PTSD, and his family is receiving welfare, it's just shell shock right, thousands of men came back from WWII with it and went right into working normal jobs and taking care of their own families. But back then men could make good wages doing low stress labor work, we had a lot of factories and other jobs that paid enough to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table.

"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

Dale Mabry

That's not the logic at all. The logic is that the system is broke, so the gov't needs to fix it. With 60% of bankruptcies coming from med bills and 75% of those people having insurance, the system is obviously broken. If we can liberate and bring democracy to Iraq, we can take care of our own. What baffles me is that people are just stonewalling it even though there are obvious solutions. BAW says her clinic would save a chunk on administrative costs and the gov't wouldn't profit off of it, so there is a huge chunk of change that can be passed on to the consumer. What is wrong with a gov't plan that competes with the insurance companies or a 2-tier system. This pro/con on the healthcare issue could not be any more down partisan lines. You have the wack jobs on one side that want everything provided to them, then you have people on the other side who are adamantly against this "entitlement program" that haven't said word one about the $5 trillion we have spent on Iraq. This doesn't have to be welfare, it can be something competitive with the insurance companies that everyone who uses pays in to, but instead it has to be either extreme so nothing gets done. Of course some people are going to abuse the system, but that already happens and is one of the primary reasons premiums go up every year. People who will be using this plan are people who pay taxes, but can't afford their premium going up 20% every year or the risk of being dropped for not being profitable. The people who state the gov't can't run anything are correct in some respects, but more of an impediment to progress than anything else.

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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maniclion

Albob doesn't care because he can always go get free health care at the VA......

"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
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Dale Mabry

It is usually those that have it provided to them (Union workers, cops, firemen, military, politicians) that raise the biggest stink.

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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min0 lee

We have it now and I can honestly say it's way better than the crap we had before.


Guess who pays for the Union workers, cops, firemen, military and politicians health care.....the tax payers do, but we do work for it at least.

ALBOB

And that right there boys and girls is the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives.

My view, as a conservative, is that the government can't fix shit. Every single thing they stick their fingers in they fuck up. The government needs to stay the hell out of healthcare because if they get involved they'll only make it worse.

Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

ALBOB

And I worked damn hard to EARN that so you can go fuck yourself with your righteous indignation.

Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

ALBOB

And you're another one who can go fuck yourself. It's isn't PROVIDED, it was EARNED.

Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

IainDaniel

How well are the insurance companies running health care?

Are there any stats comparing how medicaid(gov plan) and the insurance run the health care?

Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it.

Michael Jordan

Dale Mabry

So, if it's broke, don't fix it? I'm not a liberal or a conservative, but that is retarded no matter which side you are on. Isn't that why the gov't is ineffective as it is? I don't really agree with the assumption that the gov't is completely ineffective. When I was a kid, my republican parents needed gov't assistance and they were too proud to take it until they absolutely needed it. Without that shitty gov't cheese and the checks, my family would have starved. Then, if I wasn't able to take out student loans and grants, I would have never gotten a Bachelor's degree and would be pumping gas for $5 an hour right now. As a result of the "entitlement program food" my father had to use for 6 or so months, we lived on, my father has a fat gov't contract making over half a mill a year (I don't know what the taxes are on that, but the gov't got more than they put in on that entitlement program in taxes about 100 fold). Almost $200k of it every year goes to Dr.'s bills that he was insured for but got dropped because they considered the rheumatic fever he had when he was 4 was a pre-existing condition. They had no problem taking his money for 10 years before dropping him, and he didn't get a refund of that money. So you tell me, if you were in that situation, would you just want the status quo?

You certainly earned it, but at the end of the day, you have a safety net few have, so your decision is easier. People are already taking advantage of the system, and that's not going to change. Those people are taken care of no matter what, why not give people who would benefit and pay into a program like that the option?

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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Dale Mabry

Shitty choice of wording, I apologize. Of course I respect the sacrifice of our servicemen.

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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