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12 Dead, 31 Wounded in Shootings at Fort Hood in Texas

A shooting at Fort Hood military post in Texas killed 11, wounded as many as 31, and left the gunman dead, the Army said.

The shooter was killed and two other suspects were in custody, Lt. General Bob Cone said. All three were U.S. soldiers.

Cone said witnesses reported seeing more than one shooter.

The shooting took place 1:30 p.m Thursday at the post's Soldier Readiness Center where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening.

"We have a terrible, tragic situation here," said Cone. "Soldiers, family members and the civilians that work here are absolutely devastated."

Cone said the injuries "vary significantly."

A motive wasn't immediately known.

The victims were a mix of civilian and military, officials said.

The FBI ruled out terrorism.

Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison said the shooting was a terrible tragedy for all of the military families affected.

The base and area schools were on lockdown after the mass shooting, and all those on the Army post were asked to gather for a head count.

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devildog88

I hate to say it but I think we are goign to have to start profiling people with Muslim names. I realize that all followers of islam are not violent, fact is; it is a very peacefull religion. However the main threat to our society seems to come from people of middle eastern desent. Our military, and all public transportation should in fact use profiling techniques to identify potential threats.

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maniclion

They do and have been....

"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

Big Smoothy

The media is going fill about 1 1/2 weeks of time gap on this one.

I can see it now.

"Analysis." --> Why?

Shrinks will be on TV probing this man's inner thoughts and motivations.

Working as a Trauma specialist at Walter Reed for 6 years, yes, this guy may have issues.

Eyewitnesses will be reporting what they saw and heard.

Larry King will have survivors and shrinks on his show for 4 straight days.

303 million people in the US, and lots of guns, these horrible things happen. Tragedy, yes.

But more die in car accidents.

Another media sensational story.

Military men are dumb, stupid animals, to be used as pawns for foreign policy
– Henry Kissinger (January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter)

maxpro2

You had a post that made sense until you said this.

Big Smoothy

It's not the same, I agree.

Murder is not an accident.

Accidents are not murders.


And yes, this is a horrible tragedy, not only for those killed of course but for those injured (some permanently disabled I'm sure) and their families.

My point is that the media sensationalized this sick, horrible, crime.

Pictures of crying family members is tasteless.

And then the post analysis follow-ups to get ratings.


Sorry for the rant. I stopped watching TV about 3-4 years ago. No TV. 0% of the time (except when I visit family for 2 weeks in the Summer in the US), and I only watch about 20 minutes per day, b/c it's so bad.

But I do read the news online.

Military men are dumb, stupid animals, to be used as pawns for foreign policy
– Henry Kissinger (January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter)

Little Wing

there are a lot of mentally ill people in the psychiatric field, muslim or not.

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maniclion

It has to be hard being surrounded by the simple minded galoots like the many I knew in the Navy talking shit about Muslims/Arabs all the time. In a way the Military can feel like prison when you have your little racial and cultural cliques, I knew skinheads, gang bangers, and others in the Navy talking shit all the time.... Of course going on a shooting rampage isn't an option, but resigning is. He could have easily gotten out if he'd given the reason that he couldn't deal with the constant harassment for being muslim

"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

Marshmallow

Such a tragedy!

min0 lee

To think the guy was a shrink..
One thing that I find pretty stupid, if he was against the war then why would you join the military?

lnvanry

right! Guess he thought the free med school pass, wouldn't oblige him to serve...what dummy. That guy committed mass murder, in TX, on a military base. He is going to get the death penalty

min0 lee

I hope he gets hanged.

Big Smoothy

Me, too.

The only downside is the prick may consider himself a "martyr" and get the 72 virgings.

Military men are dumb, stupid animals, to be used as pawns for foreign policy
– Henry Kissinger (January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter)

jmorrison

This just happened and you are willing to make excuses for him!? "It must have been hard.." fuck that, life is hard. He could have resigned to escape the constant harrassment? What Navy were you in? Assuming that there was harrassment in the first place, in the military that I remember, an officer would have you by the balls if you harrassed him.

I'm sure that there is a LOT of smack talk going on about muslims/arabic people in the military. These guys get shot at on a daily basis by extremist muslims, I'm sure that they may have some racial bias issues when they get back.

The lack of accountability in shit like this is amazing. The guy didn't even have combat stress to pin any of this on, he was just a whiney troublemaker that grabbed a gun to shoot at men and women that were more heroic than he could ever be.

I normally agree pretty much with the things you say here Manic, but I can't get behind that at all.

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bandaidwoman

Little wing is right, this is a case of a sick mentally disturbed individual, ,muslim or not.

I'm from Malaysia and people in this country thinks muslims have a monopoly on terrorism because western media is clear about associating any violent act with the person's muslim religion and not other religions. When christian serbian terrorist are bombing bosnian muslim mosques and raping and killing muslim bosnians en masse, it's called "ethnic cleansing", not christian terrorism. When Japanese terrorists were gassing people in the subways, the western media does not associate them with buddism. When christian terrorists were doing their thing en masse in Indonesia and Malaysia in 2007, not a word mentioned in our western media, when christian terrorists of the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) continue its sickening crusade in India, once again, no media scrutiny.

Just pointing out that your valued western media is not without some bias.

This is a case that is horrifying in two ways, as a physician, this man violated a very sacred hypocratic oath, and second the muslims that serve in our military who love and believe in fighting for this country will be thrust in harms way. My neighbor next door is a muslim and has two kids, one daughter and one son in the military. His daughter is a plane mechanic for the airforce and his son serves in the army, both would put their lives down for what this country stands for.

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maniclion

I do things like this to try and make sense of what would drive someone to do it... I made no excuses, my wording was that a shooting rampage is not an option.....there are a million non-violent options for dealing with stress.... I have really been diving into understanding that our brains are not all wired the same...what would normally stress one person out is considered a day of fun and adventure for someone else..... Whenever something like this happens I try to remember times when I had been so stressed out I wanted to explode and then I think about what would have happened had I not used a positive outlet to channel my frustrations....I also think about when I had been cruel or callous as a child to some other kid or even as an adult, but I rarely do such things anymore because I have matured beyond that type of thing.

My one problem with this whole thing is that some people are saying he yelled Allah Akbar before opening fire and others say not. Last night they had a soldier on and first he said he heard him yell Allah Akbar and when asked is that what he said, the soldier responded "I believe so" in a tone that was like, I heard others say thats what he said but I don't remember hearing it....

"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

mcguin

This military officer over the past few years has on record denounced american activity and fighting against the extremists in the mid east. This wasnt just about some sicko that had a meltdown and decided to shoot people up. It sounds a lot better for all the U.N. loving humanitarians out there to say, he's not a muslim nut job, hes a human nut job, but truth be told, I dont buy it. This was an act of terrorism whether you want to sugar coat it or not, and its quite disappointing how much this is being downplayed into something closer to a mental case going on a rampage.

min0 lee

Army brass promoted Fort Hood gunman Nidal Malik Hasan even after attempt to contact Al Qaeda

Big Smoothy

^ I am starting to wonder about this "Al-Qaeda" link?

Is this a False Flag?

I mean, come on.

A guy in the military - and officer - who's going to be deployed is contacting....Al Qaeda, and he gets a promotion.

Or perhaps, investigators were waiting to get more info? Possible.

Anyway, we'll hear more about this story, I think.

Military men are dumb, stupid animals, to be used as pawns for foreign policy
– Henry Kissinger (January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter)

bandaidwoman

Noone is discounting that he is a muslim nut job. Using religion as a motivation for any hostile or irrational act is insanity, whether it's a radical jihadist or other religion. Religiously motivated actions, when violent, are basically insane. But christian religious conservatives aren't castigated as a group every time an abortionist is shot, or the catholics when the IRA in Northern Ireland bomb public gatherings or the baptist church when the NFLT massacres villages of hindis or muslims.

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KelJu

Lol, the Catholics are the bloodiest murderers in civilized history. These days they are doing less murdering, and more molesting, but still doing plenty of evil. 1 guy shot 30 people and we make a bigger deal out of it than us killing a thousand Arabs. Bias, barely even covers it. Cognitive dissidence is the rule of human nature.

And before somebody jumps on my nuts claiming that I am defending anything, I just want to say I'm not. I'm simply pointing out the ignorance and irrational behavior by almost all parties involved here.

Its a cycle of hate which will not go away until one side stops reciprocating the hate back to the other. It is hard to hate somebody that doesn't hate you.

I would love to know the shooters story. I want to know the reason he did it. Maybe more information will come out, but by the time the truth does come out, the media will be all over another story.

bandaidwoman

Perhaps, but the bloodiest civil war in history and until ww II, the bloodiest conflict in history ,Taiping Rebellion in my home country was started and led by an errant Protestant missionary convert. Our history books cite it as one of the worst examples of religious warfare and it happens to be christian based. unfortunately, this horrifying religious civil war was used by Mao as a tool for brainwashing the chinese against religion and solidifying communism. ( By the way if you ever wonder why the chinese are so paranoid about missionaries, then you need to only read up on this pivotal conflict in chinese history)

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mcguin

sounds horrible, but if you want to talk apples to apples, the holocaust cant be ignored, 6 million jews were murdered, and not for land, or money or gold, or religious freedom, simply for being jewish. Not sure what kind of argument is brewing here, the simple facts in regards to fort hood are as follows, due to liberal political correctness, this muslim american officer was left active in the military while we turned our heads from all of these warning signs of him preaching about muslim ideals over american wars to stop terrorism, and now rather than call this a terroristic act, people feel better saying, this was just an insane human doing an insane thing, but lets look at the big picture here, this wasnt just an insane act, it was an act brought against a country and innocent people who wake up everyday in the service of their country.

bandaidwoman

We are not arguing nomenclature. There is no doubt he is a terrorist. All terrorists are insane in my book.

You are talking to someone who's home country was devastated by christian ( taiping rebellion) and communist ideology ( Mao's purging of the classes), not muslim ideology. I am just pointing out that American Western Media is very quick to link terroristic acts to islam more quickly than similar terroristic activities associated with other religions. You really need to realize that your own media has its own brand of censorship.

( In fact I am appalled at the censorship of western history books about the Taiping Rebellion).

There is no doubt he is a terrorist, I am not arguing with you on that. However, he is no more a terrorist than Eric Rudolf who killed people in the name of christian religious conservative dogma or timothy mcveigh who was catholic but called "right wing" rather than christian terrorist or mass murder david koresh's warped brand of christianity that was labelled as "cultist". .

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Little Wing

i don't think it was terrorism at all. i think it was the final desperate act of a man that made it very clear he did not want to go to war and was being forced to go anyway. it is exactly why many feel the draft is potentially dangerous.

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bandaidwoman

I don't think we know the whole story. But once again, I find it interesting this man's religious beliefs are widely questioned while Dr. Tiller's killer in Kansas , his beliefs ( obviously christian) seemingly plays no role his motivations according to the media.

Once again, I am looking at this from an outsider.

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Little Wing

soldiers that do not want to fight is nothing new.
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Desertions and AWOLs. In 1971, seventeen of every 100 soldiers went AWOL and seven of every 100 soldiers deserted (went AWOL for more than 30 days). This translates as 98,058 deserters in the Army in 1971, 67% of whom came from the lowest ranks.

Combat Refusals. According to one writer, "The latter stages of the Vietnam War produced no fewer than ten major incidents of mutiny." According to another writer, "By 1975, there were 35 separate combat refusals in the Air Cavalry Division alone." And for each of these major refusals there were dozens of minor ones or situations in which combat orders were effectively thwarted.
Simply refusing to fight became the main way the troops in Vietnam opposed the war. It generally took the form of "advancing only so far" (rather than refusing to advance at all), or refusing to "engage" the enemy ("search and destroy" missions were dubbed "search and avoid").
In the fall 1971, 1,200 of 4,500 sailors on the attack carrier Coral Sea signed a petition opposing a return to Vietnam. A thousand antiwar protesters gathered to support them. Three junior officers resigned and condemned the war and 35 sailors deserted the ship.
A year later Black sailors revolted on the carrier Kitty Hawk demanding an end to racism on the ship and a withdrawal of the carrier from the war.
A month later 150 Black, Chicano, and some white sailors seized parts of the carrier Constellation for 24 hours, forcing the ship to return to San Diego.

Fragging. Col. Heinl wrote in his Armed Forces Journal article: "Word of the deaths of officers will bring cheers at troop movies or in bivouacs of certain units." Officially there were 239 fragging attempts in 1969, 386 in 1970, 333 in 1971 and 58 in 1972. Only killing by hand grenades counted in these statistics. Attempts to kill officers using rifles, automatics, claymore mines, "misdirection of hostile ambush" (i.e., shooting your officer in the back while in combat), and so on, did not count as fragging. So the real number of attacks on officers was much higher. Many officers received "friendly warnings" like a grenade pin on their bunks.
One veteran recalled: "Nobody fucked with nobody in the field. An officer knows if he messed with you in the field, in a fire fight you could shoot him in the head. This was standard procedure in any infantry unit [by the end of the war]. Anybody tells you differently, he's shitting you."
Each incidence of fragging had a multiplier effect. One Army judge warned that "once an officer is intimidated by even the threat of fragging, he is useless to the military because he can no longer carry out orders."

Fraternization with the Enemy. Jack Anderson reported in a 1980 column:
"According to military sources... as many as 500 American GIs actively assisted the enemy in Vietnam. About 30 prisoners of war went over to the enemy and played active anti-American roles in the POW camps. And as many as six Americans are believed to have taken up arms against U.S. troops in Vietnam. At least two of these--both Marine privates--are known to have joined in combat with the Viet Cong against American forces."
The most celebrated case of a soldier deserting and then fighting with the liberation forces against the U.S. was the case of Robert Garwood, a Marine Corps private who defected to the NLF in 1965, actively collaborating with the liberation forces throughout the war. Numerous GIs during the war reported sighting a "salt and pepper" combo, a white and a Black GI who seemed to be fighting the U.S. troops all over South Vietnam.
There were other much more widespread forms of fraternization between GIs and Vietnamese liberation forces, like local "truces" between GIs and local NLF or NVA fighters. Many GIs have described such experiences. In 1971, NVA and NLF troops received orders not to fire at troops wearing the symbol of a rifle turned upside down, or carrying their rifles in the down position while on patrol. A favorite saying among Black troops in Vietnam became, "No VC ever called me nigger."

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Little Wing

it's easy to believe he was simply a man being forced to do something he had firmly decided he could not or did not want to do. he didn't just decide to shoot people he did it after repeated attempts to not do what he was being made to. men and women who actually have paid up front to bungee jump, skydive or swim with sharks decide they just can't do it. not as dangerous as going to where you can actually get shot but it's easy to imagine their mental distress.

i don't think being harassed should be downplayed either because if you talk to men who actually served in vietnam they will tell you just being black was dangerous and racially motivated murder did happen.

i don't think this guy deserves sympathy but i do think it should not be ignored when a man or woman is clearly unfit to serve. it seems this guy made it very clear before the shootings.

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mcguin

What I'm now seeing in the middle of this media is the portraying of a man of muslim descent who for whatever reason was allowed to stay active in the military after denouncing American Ideals of combating ANTI AMERICAN terrorism at home and abroad. And the reason he backlashed at his community wasnt because he just didnt want to go to war for fear of his life, or having to leave his homeland, but rather because he denounced our efforts and commitments to help bring the savage islamists to an end or at least try and save a country or two in the process. If this was just a joe shmoe american man who feared leaving for war for no other reasons, I dont think I would have an argument, but in this case, evidence popping up is clearly showing that this guy was a little bit more than just a "rotten egg" in the military.

mcguin

The Army psychiatrist suspected of killing 13 people at Fort Hood reportedly warned senior Army physicians in 2007 that the military should allow Muslim soldiers to be released as conscientious objectors instead of fighting in wars to avoid "adverse events."

According to The Washington Post, Major Nidal Malik Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a medical topic during his senior year as a psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Medical Center.

Instead, Hasan lectured his supervisors and two dozen mental health staff members on Islam, homicide bombings and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting against other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A source who attended the presentation told the paper, "It was really strange. The senior doctors looked really upset."

The Powerpoint, entitled, "The Koranic World View As It Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military," consisted of 50 slides, according to a copy obtained by the Post.

"It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims," Hasan said in the presentation.

Under a slide titled "Comments," he wrote: "If Muslim groups can convince Muslims that they are fighting for God against injustices of the 'infidels'; ie: enemies of Islam, then Muslims can become a potent adversary ie: suicide bombing, etc." [sic]

The last bullet point on that page reads simply: "We love death more then [sic] you love life!"

On the final slide, labeled "Recommendation," Hasan wrote: "Department of Defense should allow Muslims [sic] Soldiers the option of being released as 'Conscientious objectors' to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events."

An Army spokesman told the Post Monday night he was unaware of the presentation, and a Walter Reed spokesman declined comment.

A classmate of Hasan, meanwhile, told FoxNews.com that the warning signs were all there — the justification of homicide bombings; spewing anti-American hatred; efforts to reach out to Al Qaeda — but that the military treated Hasan with kid gloves, even after giving him a poor performance review.