Thread: One Year On Testosterone

it's okay and legal for a female to go to a doctor and get prescribed testosterone to change themselves into a male, but a male that wants to boost their muscle mass, strength or performance (for whatever reason) cannot do so, not only is it illegal, in fact a felony to possess without an Rx, they will be frowned upon by the general public for using steroids....I just don't get it.

What about morphine/heroine?? Could you say the same?

The government wants us to become pussified, they know all the pollutants are estrogenic and thats causing the mass pussification of America. We men need to march on Washington beating our chests and grunting that we need Testosterone supplementation to offset what the past generations damaged Earth is doing to our bodies....These old men, who left us to wallow in their mucked up mess, are making policies that effect us more than them....fuck them and their moral superiority complex....

Originally Posted by T_man

What about morphine/heroine?? Could you say the same?

say the same about what? I am not arguing that all drugs be legalized.

I am talking about equal rights, the current ones are quite contradictory...why can a female wanting to be a male get testosterone but a male wanting to increase his own testosterone to boost muscle size/strength, performance cannot, not even under a docs supervision unless he qualifies for HRT.

Originally Posted by Robert D.

say the same about what? I am not arguing that all drugs be legalized.

I am talking about equal rights, the current ones are quite contradictory...why can a female wanting to be a male get testosterone but a male wanting to increase his own testosterone to boost muscle size/strength, performance cannot, not even under a docs supervision unless he qualifies for HRT.

I was saying how morphine is used in hospitals yet heroine, which is basically the same once absorbed, is illegal. Rightly so, imo.

With steroids there's side effects that might not be desirable such as depression, agressiveness, and many others just for the sake of a visual upgrade. Imagine if something went wrong or there were some bad side effects? The medical company would be sued into oblivion.

Besides if it was to be legalised under the supervision of doctors, I'm sure many people would think it was okay and take it unsupervised. Furthermore there simply arent enough doctors who would know the cycles and stuff to monitor people who want to take them, as I'm sure nearly every guy would be on them.

Originally Posted by Robert D.

say the same about what? I am not arguing that all drugs be legalized.

I am talking about equal rights, the current ones are quite contradictory...why can a female wanting to be a male get testosterone but a male wanting to increase his own testosterone to boost muscle size/strength, performance cannot, not even under a docs supervision unless he qualifies for HRT.

Yes, the total hypocrisy of it is astounding, a woman can use it to the extreme that she is unrecognizable as a female, but a man can't use it in small doses to boost themselves. Maybe someone should try and set a precedent and go in to a shrink complaining that they feel they are losing touch with their masculine side and need a testosterone boost to feel whole again....

I wanna see how she sounds now

Originally Posted by T_man

With steroids there's side effects that might not be desirable such as depression, agressiveness, and many others just for the sake of a visual upgrade. Imagine if something went wrong or there were some bad side effects? The medical company would be sued into oblivion.

can't you make that same argument about many drugs that are prescribed by doctors?

Originally Posted by Robert D.

can't you make that same argument about many drugs that are prescribed by doctors?

But most of them are for health benefits. Besides test only speeds up what you could achieve anyways, so if you're claiming your pride then hit the gym and eat.
I'm not here to argue their case anyways I'm sure theres people on both sides of the fence on this one.

Originally Posted by Robert D.

can't you make that same argument about many drugs that are prescribed by doctors?

Like penicillin, a doctor prescribes it and knows if his patient is allergic to it or not, you couldn't just hand your pills over to your neighbor because they have the same infection you had and hope they work for them as well because a doctor prescribed them for the exact same condition, no they might have an allergic reaction and die.....
Yet I have seen it done before....a friend had an std and decided to share his meds with the girl he'd been seeing, luckily she wasn't allergic though....

legal: The bitch is suffering mentally because she's mental so she gets the hormone.

legal: The boy is suffering because puberty is isn't happening. He gets the hormone.

legal: Old people get it because they are feeling old. Getting old is harsh.

legal: Some have their brain/pituitary rocked by impacts that cause their pituitary to malfunction. (does not mean they are crazy BTW )

illegal: You are a man with a normal everything that is mental.

Pretty easy to see the difference between needs and wants. You learn that before age 5, IMHO.

man i've just plain got issues with that video. i recognize i've never been where he/she thinks it is, and i've never known a person in that position that i know of, but damn gender identity disorder at 5 years old? seems a bit fishy to me

It planted an apple tree when it started test. Since when does a man do that, or a women? What was your apple tree?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

, but damn gender identity disorder at 5 years old? seems a bit fishy to me

That is the first thing I thought of too!

Originally Posted by Robert D.

it's okay and legal for a female to go to a doctor and get prescribed testosterone to change themselves into a male, but a male that wants to boost their muscle mass, strength or performance (for whatever reason) cannot do so, not only is it illegal, in fact a felony to possess without an Rx, they will be frowned upon by the general public for using steroids....I just don't get it.

funny, i never thought of it that way. that is fucked up.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

man i've just plain got issues with that video. i recognize i've never been where he/she thinks it is, and i've never known a person in that position that i know of, but damn gender identity disorder at 5 years old? seems a bit fishy to me

So you are saying that he chose to put himself through all the emotional agony while feeling like a man trapped in a womans body? Because of what? Penis envy, boredom? You can't even fathom how a complex organism could have a glitch or two that cause it to mentally associate itself as male even though the body came out female? So what hermaphrodites and chimera's, conjoined twins, etc, etc... Are the only glitches we can suffer, anything within the brain must have been a choice? All brains and their chemistry come out perfect at birth right? Books and books of knowledge available and all some people do is eat the covers......

Originally Posted by maniclion

So you are saying that he chose to put himself through all the emotional agony while feeling like a man trapped in a womans body? Because of what? Penis envy, boredom? You can't even fathom how a complex organism could have a glitch or two that cause it to mentally associate itself as male even though the body came out female? So what hermaphrodites and chimera's, conjoined twins, etc, etc... Are the only glitches we can suffer, anything within the brain must have been a choice? All brains and their chemistry come out perfect at birth right? Books and books of knowledge available and all some people do is eat the covers......

Mmm tastes like lemon!! bitter...

Originally Posted by Robert D.

it's okay and legal for a female to go to a doctor and get prescribed testosterone to change themselves into a male, but a male that wants to boost their muscle mass, strength or performance (for whatever reason) cannot do so, not only is it illegal, in fact a felony to possess without an Rx, they will be frowned upon by the general public for using steroids....I just don't get it.

Originally Posted by T_man

What about morphine/heroine?? Could you say the same?

Originally Posted by Robert D.

say the same about what? I am not arguing that all drugs be legalized.

I am talking about equal rights, the current ones are quite contradictory...why can a female wanting to be a male get testosterone but a male wanting to increase his own testosterone to boost muscle size/strength, performance cannot, not even under a docs supervision unless he qualifies for HRT.

Ah, here's the similarity T-man brought up: in both cases, we're talking about illegal, off-lable use.

I'll give you a for-instance: I used to get migraines, right? So my doctor prescribed injectable Demerol, a narcotic.

It was the only pain-reliever that worked for me, so this was appropriate medical care and perfectly legal for me to purchase.

I no longer get migraines. I can't go to my doctor and say "Gee, those Demerol injections were really swell - I'd love to get some for the weekend, help me unwind...", nor am I able to purchase it over the counter.

The sex-change testosterone thing is the same situation. In this case, testosterone is given for treatment of a medical condition and it is only given at normal male replacement levels - just like any man on HRT.

A man who wishes to become a woman needs not only suppressive drugs but also surgery to remove his testicles. Just sayin'...

Originally Posted by bio-chem

man i've just plain got issues with that video. i recognize i've never been where he/she thinks it is, and i've never known a person in that position that i know of, but damn gender identity disorder at 5 years old? seems a bit fishy to me

Really? Didn't you know you were meant to be a boy when you were five? I knew I was meant to be a girl! We had gender identity "order" - some have gender identity DISorder.

Originally Posted by T_man

I was saying how morphine is used in hospitals yet heroine, which is basically the same once absorbed, is illegal. Rightly so, imo.

Out of curiosity, why do you think Heroin should be illegal for use in hospitals? It isn't illegal everywhere - I believe UK hospitals use medical Heroin for pain relief.

Originally Posted by T_man

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Besides if it was to be legalised under the supervision of doctors, I'm sure many people would think it was okay and take it unsupervised. Furthermore there simply arent enough doctors who would know the cycles and stuff to monitor people who want to take them, as I'm sure nearly every guy would be on them.

Steriods used to be prescribed this way. That's how Arnold took 'em.

Originally Posted by Built

Steroids used to be prescribed this way. That's how Arnold took 'em.

up until 1990 many bodybuilders obtained them this way.

the only thing that making them illegal did was create a huge and unsafe black market.

Originally Posted by maniclion

So you are saying that he chose to put himself through all the emotional agony while feeling like a man trapped in a womans body? Because of what? Penis envy, boredom? You can't even fathom how a complex organism could have a glitch or two that cause it to mentally associate itself as male even though the body came out female? So what hermaphrodites and chimera's, conjoined twins, etc, etc... Are the only glitches we can suffer, anything within the brain must have been a choice? All brains and their chemistry come out perfect at birth right? Books and books of knowledge available and all some people do is eat the covers......

dude......have you been hitting the sauce again?

Originally Posted by Robert D.

up until 1990 many bodybuilders obtained them this way.

the only thing that making them illegal did was create a huge and unsafe black market.

people saying this use is unfair when they have illegalized that use will just make the powers that be close more doors. common sense has no damn place in government policy making.

Originally Posted by T_man

Mmm tastes like lemon!! bitter...

since when are insight and compassion bitter things?

Originally Posted by Little Wing

since when are insight and compassion bitter things?

Thank You
Empathy is the surest sign of maturity, not only into adulthood but as an evolved soul. It's instinctual to fear that which is abnormal, it was a survival tactic from an age when we were ignorant and therefore needed to be cautious of a gimpy, deformed oddity because they could be diseased. But now that we have supposedly evolved into this advanced civilized society the only use for such an instinct is for those who wish to be cruel to use as an excuse, people who are no more mature than the school kids who make fun of the boy with the leg braces....

Originally Posted by Built

Out of curiosity, why do you think Heroin should be illegal for use in hospitals? It isn't illegal everywhere - I believe UK hospitals use medical Heroin for pain relief. I meant heroine as in the street drug. Morphine as the hospital version.

Steriods used to be prescribed this way. That's how Arnold took 'em.

But if everyone was to go on them there simply would not be enough doctors to accomodate demand. Furthermore; somewhere like the UK where the health system subsides the cost of medication it would be a great un-necessary financial deficit.

Heroin converts to morphine in the body, I don't see a reason for it's use in a hospital... As much as I love drugs I don't see much use for disastrous drugs like Heroin nor meth...now amphetamines and opium on rare occasion would be tolerable for folks like me who have the will power to respect them, but heroin and meth can grab you by the throat too quick.....