Thread: France moves closer to banning women from wearing veils in public

I think there are some women that it should be illegal to go out in public without a veil let alone a full burka.....

i think some sould wear one too damn ugly. also spandex is not a right..if you fat don't wear it..

Originally Posted by The Situation

i think some sould wear one too damn ugly. also spandex is not a right..if you fat don't wear it..

werd.

See, I don't get this. Obviously you shouldn't be handing out checks or ID without seeing who the person is, but isn't that just common sense? If the chick wants to wear that shit because she is going to die and get 40 dildos if she does why stop her, she can believe whatever she wants. This is in the same vein as people being upset Tebow is doing a pro-life commercial during the super bowl, if it upsets you just don't watch it, don't let it fuck up your day.

The French are particularly interested in automatic facial recognition systems, tracking video systems that analyze behavior and intelligent cameras.

Source: http://www.buyusa.gov/france/en/188.html

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

If the chick wants to wear that shit because she is going to die and get 40 dildos if she does why stop her, she can believe whatever she wants.

Except that burkas perpetuate women as a second class and nothing more than property.

Even those women that claim to accept it are quite likely to so for the same reason that women stay in abusive relationships: conditioning.

Women that don't wear burkas in Arab cultures are ostracised and physically abused. If the options are to wear a clothing head to foot or being abused, which would you "choose"?

Another thing, why don't Arab men wear some sort of a burka? Because it's stifling and robs you of personal expression/freedom.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

See, I don't get this. Obviously you shouldn't be handing out checks or ID without seeing who the person is, but isn't that just common sense? If the chick wants to wear that shit because she is going to die and get 40 dildos if she does why stop her, she can believe whatever she wants. This is in the same vein as people being upset Tebow is doing a pro-life commercial during the super bowl, if it upsets you just don't watch it, don't let it fuck up your day.

that prolife comm they shelled out 5 million for that lol...

if they think france is bas they should try the UAE, Iraq that place is a trip i saw a woman fall in the street and i gut i knew from the base when to help her up i stopped him, big no no her husband walk up to her and said get up your blocking traffic. she walk or limp the manitory 3 ft behind him as they walk. gets some getting used to but the guys rule that place..

Originally Posted by Hoglander

The French are particularly interested in automatic facial recognition systems, tracking video systems that analyze behavior and intelligent cameras.

Source: Security & Safety Equipment -- U.S. Commercial Service France

i saw one of those out side of a pizza joint..i guess bad people like pizza.no shit for real..

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Originally Posted by The Situation

i saw one of those out side of a pizza joint..i guess bad people like pizza.no shit for real..

There is software(even freeware) you can use to unlock your computer using web cams. You could also make your front door unlock by putting your face in front of your security camera. You could even lock a door if someone with a No Trespass Order showed up at your business.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Except that burkas perpetuate women as a second class and nothing more than property.

Even those women that claim to accept it are quite likely to so for the same reason that women stay in abusive relationships: conditioning.

Women that don't wear burkas in Arab cultures are ostracised and physically abused. If the options are to wear a clothing head to foot or being abused, which would you "choose"?

Another thing, why don't Arab men wear some sort of a burka? Because it's stifling and robs you of personal expression/freedom.

I was just in Dubai a couple weeks ago...was walking thru the Dubai Mall. (friggin' cool...BTW)
I saw both, 'progressive' arab females as well as traditional, full ninja garb.
Now, you're not to look at arab women, so only got a few glances, but a few in the ninja suits...their eyes.....dam....way hot...wished I could have seen the rest of the face, but kept moving.

It's hard to blame the French when >10% of their population is now muslim. They're up to their necks in Islamic cess. Most arab women are fugly and smell like shit, so it's probably just as well.

Originally Posted by Burner02

I was just in Dubai a couple weeks ago...was walking thru the Dubai Mall. (friggin' cool...BTW)
I saw both, 'progressive' arab females as well as traditional, full ninja garb.
Now, you're not to look at arab women, so only got a few glances, but a few in the ninja suits...their eyes.....dam....way hot...wished I could have seen the rest of the face, but kept moving.

As much as I think burkas are a product of a shit culture, I have to imagine that the humid and UV-free environment of the burka must do good things for their skin.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I have to imagine that the humid and UV-free environment of the burka must do good things for their skin.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Except that burkas perpetuate women as a second class and nothing more than property.

Even those women that claim to accept it are quite likely to so for the same reason that women stay in abusive relationships: conditioning.

Women that don't wear burkas in Arab cultures are ostracised and physically abused. If the options are to wear a clothing head to foot or being abused, which would you "choose"?

Another thing, why don't Arab men wear some sort of a burka? Because it's stifling and robs you of personal expression/freedom.

I get that, but those are their beliefs, not ours. I don't really know any muslim women who wear burkas, so I don't know how oppressed they are, but it's no worse than having to stay in a loveless marriage because your religion doesn't allow divorce. In fact, I'd rather have a burka and the ability to divorce than the other way around, although I don't imagine they get either.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I get that, but those are their beliefs, not ours. I don't really know any muslim women who wear burkas, so I don't know how oppressed they are, but it's no worse than having to stay in a loveless marriage because your religion doesn't allow divorce. In fact, I'd rather have a burka and the ability to divorce than the other way around, although I don't imagine they get either.

Neither of those are good. But just because one is bad does not make the other okay.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Except that burkas perpetuate women as a second class and nothing more than property.

Even those women that claim to accept it are quite likely to so for the same reason that women stay in abusive relationships: conditioning.

Women that don't wear burkas in Arab cultures are ostracised and physically abused. If the options are to wear a clothing head to foot or being abused, which would you "choose"?

Another thing, why don't Arab men wear some sort of a burka? Because it's stifling and robs you of personal expression/freedom.

Thats such a garbage argument...should we ban women from dressing like sluts and prostitutes too? This women are clearly 2nd class and in many cases nothing more than property of a pimp.

Its not OK for women to be stoned for NOT wearing a ninja outfit either.

Live and let be

Originally Posted by lnvanry

Thats such a garbage argument...should we ban women from dressing like sluts and prostitutes too? This women are clearly 2nd class and in many cases nothing more than property of a pimp.

Its not OK for women to be stoned for NOT wearing a ninja outfit either.

Live and let be

What the fuck are you babbling about?

A woman can choose to wear a suit in this country and not be ostracised and beaten. Also, wearing a burka in Muslim countries IS NOT A CHOICE. Get it?

In regards to prostitution, when they're treated poorly, aren't there people that stand against it? Are there whole organizations trying to get women out of the abusive world of prostitution? Doesn't the pimp go to jail for abuse?

You're argument is no better than people saying it's okay for Obama to fuck up because Bush did.

Originally Posted by DOMS

What the fuck are you babbling about?

A woman can choose to wear a suit in this country and not be ostracised and beaten. Also, wearing a burka in Muslim countries IS NOT A CHOICE. Get it?

In regards to prostitution, when they're treated poorly, aren't there people that stand against it? Are there whole organizations trying to get women out of the abusive world of prostitution? Doesn't the pimp go to jail for abuse?

You're argument is no better than people saying it's okay for Obama to fuck up because Bush did.

yea, I get it perhaps I didn't do a good job of typing out my point or you might have misinterpreted what I wrote. Might have been the double negative usage in the statement.

Point 1: its not alright for France (gov't) to dictate dress if a woman wants to dress like a "2nd class piece of property".

premise: other women in France dress like 2nd class (hookers) and its still OK

2nd point: its equally wrong for arab gov'ts to stone women who don't wear full burqas.

ultimate conclusion: live and let be

I understand both social perspective in these countries as I've spent about 6months in France and 6 in Egypt/UAE (although UAE isn't exactly representative of the greater Mid East). Most countries should take note of the UAE's social policies...its a model to follow for repressive islamic regimes. But wearing a burqa is a choice in many islamic countries (Egypt, UAE, Kuwait, Iran, Pakistan, Jordan). There may be some very rural areas that enforce wearing a burqa, but thats not the norm is these countries. Woman are only asked to wear a head scarf...no different than Latin Catholic or older Orthodox Christian churches.


and no, its not OK for Obama to continue feeding the green machine (FED and banking partners) just b/c Bush did...kind of ironic it was the one policy of Bush's that he said was a good course of action during his speech tonight

I don't know if they said it in my quick breeze reading, but I think it would also be a security concern?
Who is under that veil?

here's the deal: you may have and live by your culture's ideals if when you are in your homeland. When you move to another region that's culture is different, you must adapt to their culture.
I remember when I was in the military. We were briefed (especially when went to the ME) their customs and culture and do not disrepect it. (like mentioned in another post about not looking at the females), not taking pics of arabs, and the such.
If I 'have' to respect their culture when in their world, I expect them to do likewise.
If the visitors do not like the rules of where they are...leave and go back home.
very simple.

Originally Posted by Roids1

It's hard to blame the French when >10% of their population is now muslim. They're up to their necks in Islamic cess. Most arab women are fugly and smell like shit, so it's probably just as well.

..and they dont shave.


But its okay,. I know you like em' like that.

I wouldn't be surprised if this has an underlying motive to combating terrorism. Remember years ago, our military was very concerned about these veils because they simply allow people to walk around undetectable. You'll recall that US officials were speculating if Bin Laden actually escaped US forces by posing in full berka and veil.
Many Al queda militants were also suspected to have used these garbs to escape into neighboring countries.
Talk about blending in.. how conspicuous would one man in a hundred women be dressed in the same clothing?

Originally Posted by Burner02

I don't know if they said it in my quick breeze reading, but I think it would also be a security concern?
Who is under that veil?

here's the deal: you may have and live by your culture's ideals if when you are in your homeland. When you move to another region that's culture is different, you must adapt to their culture.
I remember when I was in the military. We were briefed (especially when went to the ME) their customs and culture and do not disrepect it. (like mentioned in another post about not looking at the females), not taking pics of arabs, and the such.
If I 'have' to respect their culture when in their world, I expect them to do likewise.
If the visitors do not like the rules of where they are...leave and go back home.
very simple.

I do believe that several years back a terrorist dressed up as a woman, in a burka, and had a bomb hidden his clothing. So yes, it's definitely a security issue.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I do believe that several years back a terrorist dressed up as a woman, in a burka, and had a bomb hidden his clothing. So yes, it's definitely a security issue.

But ask yourself this...What would the world be like if there were a few less of the French? I keed, I keed.

Damn, this is a tough one to have an opinion on for me, and I am an opinionated bastard.

One side of me feels that Islam is garbage, and the faster the french can convert them over to french ideals, the better.

The other side of me feels that it is the responsibility of the women to break through their mental programming, and evolve as a thinking human. No one can force them, and any attempt will lead to disaster.

Just think of how long it has taken the US to integrate the races, and even now, we still aren't completely there yet. Trying to force the Muslims to adopt non Islamic practices and ideas would take a very long time.

Then another side of me feels that the French people better do something before they become an Islamic state in about 3 or 4 decades.

There is a lot to consider here, and there are no cut and dry solutions.

Originally Posted by KelJu

Then another side of me feels that the French people better do something before they become an Islamic state in about 3 or 4 decades.

I believe that this is the foremost reason for the law.

The French have realized that there are way too many mooslims in their country and want to stop the flow, and maybe get some of them to leave. The problem is that in this day and age, you can't just boot out the undesirables.

So, they're trying to pass laws that make France unfriendly to the mooslims. I think they've also passed, or are trying to pass, a law that forbids showing any religious symbols in public. Some of the clothes that mooslims wear falls into this category.

I say: good for the French!

if its a security concern should the French ban any heavy clothing that could conceal a bomb or hide a face? winter coats? Halloween masks? Catholic nuns robes?

Originally Posted by lnvanry

if its a security concern should the French ban any heavy clothing that could conceal a bomb or hide a face? winter coats? Halloween masks? Catholic nuns robes?

Like I said, that's not really the concern. The real concern is stopping the flow of mooslims into France by making it mooslim unfriendly, no matter what the cost.

Which is a smart thing to do.