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    Post Medical marijuana lab says it was raided by DEA

    Medical marijuana lab says it was raided by DEA

    By COLLEEN SLEVIN Associated Press Writer
    Posted: 01/28/2010 07:17:25 PM MST


    DENVER—A lab that tests medical marijuana for dispensaries and patients said Thursday it was raided by federal drug agents and ordered to turn over patient records. Full Spectrum Laboratories president Bob Winnicki said Drug Enforcement Administration agents showed up at his facility in Denver on Wednesday when he was at the Capitol for a hearing on proposed medical marijuana regulations.

    The lab provided The Associated Press with a copy of a DEA subpoena requesting that it turn over customer and patient records over a six month period through Wednesday.

    Winnicki, who had applied for a DEA license to dispense controlled substances, said he wasn't charged with a crime but agents seized about $10,000 worth of marijuana.

    DEA special agent Mike Turner said the administration never comments on ongoing investigations and that he couldn't confirm or deny whether there was a raid.

    In general, he said agents don't investigate medical marijuana users or suppliers but that they could be probed if their name surfaced during investigations into large drug trafficking operations. He also said the agency investigates facilities that apply for DEA licenses.

    "We don't target these operations unless they come up in the normal course of our operations," he said of medical marijuana operations.
    While federal crackdowns were once common with medical marijuana operations in California, Matt Brown, executive director of Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation, couldn't recall any such raids in Colorado in recent years.

    "They are absolutely not commonplace at all," said Brown, who represents a coalition of medical marijuana dispensaries and patients lobbying for state regulations.

    Brian Vicente, executive director of Sensible Colorado, a medical marijuana patients' group, said the DEA has raided some large growing operations but has stayed away from patients and dispensaries in Colorado.

    The Obama administration has said it won't target medical marijuana operations in states that allow them as long as they're complying with state laws and aren't fronts for drug traffickers. Colorado is one of 14 states to allow people to use marijuana to treat various medical conditions.

    Winnicki said his operation isn't a dispensary but the only lab of its kind in Colorado. He tests marijuana for mold, fungus and pesticides and tests the effectiveness of different strains of marijuana for treating various ailments for dispensaries and patients.

    He said he uses scientific instruments and applied for a DEA license back in October to use standards needed to test the marijuana. He said he didn't hear from the DEA until Wednesday.

    "I was operating under the assumption that if we're playing by the rules, no problem," he said.

    He said the marijuana that was seized included a rare strain that was going to be made into capsules for people with multiple sclerosis and Parkinson's disease.


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    I thought Obama ordered the DEA to stop all raids related to MJ?

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    The DEA is the among biggest group of cocksuckng motherfucking pieces of shit on the planet.

    I hope they all die of ass cancer.

    The DEA will do shit like illegally raid the ceremonial plants of a protected Indian reservation. Only to turn around and give all of the plants back now that they have already pulled them out of the ground effectively killing a 9 year old cactus that doesn't produce mescaline until it is 10 years old.

    They do that shit for fun. I could shoot a DEA agent in his dick, and both of his balls, and feel good about it afterwards.

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    No More Federal Marijuana Raids Under President Obama
    By Heather Hajek
    Published: Monday, 2 March 2009

    Raids by the federal government on legally sanctioned medical marijuana facilities will become a thing of the past. President Obama is averse to using federal funds for this purpose, particularly when state law provides for medicinal marijuana use. Moving forward, decisions on medical marijuana raids will be left up to state government. Most states individually have their own laws regarding medical marijuana distribution and supply, but to the federal government it is illegal and under President Bush the federal government had used their laws and power to override the individual state laws regarding medical marijuana.

    During a press conference on Wednesday, the new U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder was questioned about drug raids implemented in California on marijuana dispensaries since President Obama took office. Holder said these raids will not be a part of President Barack Obama's policies. According to White House spokesperson Nick Schapiro, in his response to an advocacy groups’ protests to the raids, Obama had not yet appointed his drug policy team when these raids took place. He said, "The president believes that federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws" and plans to execute this as a policy.

    During previous presidencies, policies were passed in an attempt to circumvent medical marijuana use and distribution. During the Clinton administration, there was a Supreme Court case which shut down nonprofit organizations supplying marijuana to its members. Bush’s administration also blocked attempts to grow marijuana for research studies to determine its medical properties.

    President Obama’s view seems a little different from his most recent predecessors. He explained during one of his candidacy appearances how his mother had succumbed to cancer and explained that he did not see a difference between doctor-prescribed pain relievers such as morphine and marijuana. While on the campaign trail he also explained that he felt it was “entirely appropriate" for states to legalize medical use of marijuana, "with the same controls as other drugs prescribed by doctors." Bill Piper, national affairs director of the Drug Policy Alliance, a marijuana advocacy group said, "I think it definitely signals that Obama is moving in a new direction, that it means what he said on the campaign trail that marijuana should be treated as a health issue rather than a criminal justice issue."

    Some states, such as California have already legalized the use of medical marijuana distribution and use. However, in the past, the DEA had the legal authority to make arrests, even shutting down operations, overriding individual state laws allowing the growth and distribution of medical marijuana. Based on President Obama and the new Attorney General’s recent statements, this will no longer be the policy. The states will be left to implement their laws and policies in regards to medical marijuana. Marijuana advocates are excited and hopeful that this new way of thinking by our top leaders may help to allow for more research and eventually lead to medical marijuana being available at neighborhood pharmacies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Medical marijuana lab says it was raided by DEA


    "I was operating under the assumption that if we're playing by the rules, no problem," he said.

    Never assume anything. Fucking dumbshit.
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    yeah, but you have to understand medicinal MJ use has been legal in CO since 2000, and Obama said there will be no more DEA raids.

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    You know as well as I this medical mj thing is a fucking scam. Its just a bunch of dope smokers who have a place to buy weed from. The DEA knows this and they are going to do whatever they want. Im sure theres more to the story than whats printed. Im sure this lab was doing something illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    You know as well as I this medical mj thing is a fucking scam. Its just a bunch of dope smokers who have a place to buy weed from. The DEA knows this and they are going to do whatever they want. Im sure theres more to the story than whats printed. Im sure this lab was doing something illegal.
    yeah, and liquor stores are just a place for alcoholics to buy their drug as well, right?

    my point is the president of the USA ordered the DEA to stop interfering with anything in regards to marijuana, he specifically told them let each state handle it with their own laws.

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    Obviously it's a bunch of DEA agents with a big party coming up and they need to confiscate their party favors, they want the patient records because they know some of those patients will have other drugs to add to the buffet.....

    I mean no one was charged with a crime but the MJ was seized? That makes no god damned sense, why take it if there was no crime, if there was a crime why isn't someone being charged? Something smells and I don't think it's the skunk bud in my pocket.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    yeah, and liquor stores are just a place for alcoholics to buy their drug as well, right?

    my point is the president of the USA ordered the DEA to stop interfering with anything in regards to marijuana, he specifically told them let each state handle it with their own laws.
    Youre comparing apples to oranges. Alcohol is legal by federal government not mj. I have nothing against mj but this medical deal is bullshit, you know as well as I. They should just legalize it already and start collecting the tax money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    They should just legalize it already and start collecting the tax money.
    that part I agree with you on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    Youre comparing apples to oranges. Alcohol is legal by federal government not mj. I have nothing against mj but this medical deal is bullshit, you know as well as I. They should just legalize it already and start collecting the tax money.
    Medical MJ is a stepping stone...
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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    Medical MJ is a stepping stone...
    I thought that was gateway.

    While they're at it, they need to bust McDonalds and clear out all of Big Macs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    You know as well as I this medical mj thing is a fucking scam. Its just a bunch of dope smokers who have a place to buy weed from. The DEA knows this and they are going to do whatever they want. Im sure theres more to the story than whats printed. Im sure this lab was doing something illegal.
    And you have 0 facts to back up anything you say.
    I'll give you that medical marijuana is a great way to try and circumvent the federal law against pot. I'll give that a large part of the people using the service are doing so only for recreational use.

    But to call the whole thing a scam is ignorant as fuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    And you have 0 facts to back up anything you say.
    I'll give you that medical marijuana is a great way to try and circumvent the federal law against pot. I'll give that a large part of the people using the service are doing so only for recreational use.

    But to call the whole thing a scam is ignorant as fuck.
    You want facts? Just take a trip to a mj clinic and tell me how many real sick people you see there, 0.. And you agreed with me saying it was a scam. Maybe I should have clarified on why its a scam. I agree that there is some medical use for it but thats not why these dispensaries are open. All these dispensaries are legal drug dealing outlets. Period. Go smoke a bong hit and chill out already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    You want facts? Just take a trip to a mj clinic and tell me how many real sick people you see there, 0.. And you agreed with me saying it was a scam. Maybe I should have clarified on why its a scam. I agree that there is some medical use for it but thats not why these dispensaries are open. All these dispensaries are legal drug dealing outlets. Period. Go smoke a bong hit and chill out already.
    Tell me, how do I discern a person with chronic pain who has effectively alleviated their problem with MJ and has come back to fill their prescription? Most of the MJ patients have problems that may not show on the surface, it's not like they prescribe MJ for the Flu or lepersy. Myself I have chronic back pain from a Facet Joint disorder, I take methadone for the pain, which is a heavy drug, I only take 2.5mg 3 times a day, if I could legally smoke weed for breakthrough pain I would love it I wouldn't have to interrupt my life to go sit or lie down to rest my back.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    You want facts? Just take a trip to a mj clinic and tell me how many real sick people you see there, 0.. And you agreed with me saying it was a scam. Maybe I should have clarified on why its a scam. I agree that there is some medical use for it but thats not why these dispensaries are open. All these dispensaries are legal drug dealing outlets. Period. Go smoke a bong hit and chill out already.
    You are still basing your opinion of entire institution on your limited personal experience. I have medical jounals by scientist and doctors who have studied this for years. Their research made it possible ot open these clinics, and squeeze the door open to one day maybe legalizing it completely. Insurance doesn't pay for the pot, and everyone using the service isn't doing so just to get high, so how can it be a scam?

    Back pain, spinal cord injuries, glaucoma, cancer, HIV/AIDS, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, rheumatoid arthritis, reactive arthritis, parkinson's disease.... the list goes on and on for illnesses that have been successfully treated with pot, and had better results than many pharmaceutical drugs when you factor in the side effects of pot compared to the nasty side effects of most designer pharmaceutical drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    You are still basing your opinion of entire institution on your limited personal experience. I have medical jounals by scientist and doctors who have studied this for years. Their research made it possible ot open these clinics, and squeeze the door open to one day maybe legalizing it completely. Insurance doesn't pay for the pot, and everyone using the service isn't doing so just to get high, so how can it be a scam?

    Back pain, spinal cord injuries, glaucoma, cancer, HIV/AIDS, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, rheumatoid arthritis, reactive arthritis, parkinson's disease.... the list goes on and on for illnesses that have been successfully treated with pot, and had better results than many pharmaceutical drugs when you factor in the side effects of pot compared to the nasty side effects of most designer pharmaceutical drugs.
    I smoked mj for 20 years before I quit. It doesnt do anything for pain. It does help for hunger issues though. Put it this way, out of 1,000 users probably only 1 is really sick. You guys really need to lay off the dope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I thought Obama ordered the DEA to stop all raids related to MJ?
    he said it.. but didn'y put it in writing.. more double talk...MJ is a cash cow for the police they get too keep what they find..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    I smoked mj for 20 years before I quit. It doesnt do anything for pain. It does help for hunger issues though. Put it this way, out of 1,000 users probably only 1 is really sick. You guys really need to lay off the dope.
    Back to the appeal to higher authority. "I smoked weed for 20 years, so I know what I'm talking about".


    Enough with the "lay off the dope" talk, also. I might have smoked two or three times times in the last year or so. It doesn't make you sound any more credible.

    1 out of a 1000, you are just making that number up. Everything you have said in this thread is either made up are based on your so called first hand experience.
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    gateway drug..no cash cow for police yes...

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    in 1930 the mayor of NYC did a 4 year study that showed it was not a gateway drug. of course the feds didn't care about the study because it went in the wrong direction that they did not want to go in

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    Back to the appeal to higher authority. "I smoked weed for 20 years, so I know what I'm talking about".


    Enough with the "lay off the dope" talk, also. I might have smoked two or three times times in the last year or so. It doesn't make you sound any more credible.

    1 out of a 1000, you are just making that number up. Everything you have said in this thread is either made up are based on your so called first hand experience.
    Higher Authority? No. Just common sense. Try using it sometime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    Higher Authority? No. Just common sense. Try using it sometime.
    You said that you smoked for 20 years--you know how it is. Anything against smoking pot is fascist and evil; and anything in favour of smoking pot is pure love and goodness.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    Higher Authority? No. Just common sense. Try using it sometime.
    It's common sense to believe that the way a chemical effected you effects every other person the same way? If you were allergic to penicillin then everyone else is too right, talk about your higher authorities....basing your knowledge on everyone by your own experiences, well excuse me your omnisense....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    You said that you smoked for 20 years--you know how it is. Anything against smoking pot is fascist and evil; and anything in favour of smoking pot is pure love and goodness.
    I have nothing against mj. Except minors using it.

    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    It's common sense to believe that the way a chemical effected you effects every other person the same way? If you were allergic to penicillin then everyone else is too right, talk about your higher authorities....basing your knowledge on everyone by your own experiences, well excuse me your omnisense....
    I know and have been around many pot smokers. The majority of medical mj use is illegitimate. I really cant understand why you people have a hard time accepting that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    I have nothing against mj. Except minors using it.



    I know and have been around many pot smokers. The majority of medical mj use is illegitimate. I really cant understand why you people have a hard time accepting that.
    Because I believe that the majority of marijuana smokers legal and illegal are using it for some medical purpose be it physical or mental. The brain is attached to your body, imagination resides there, if I am having trouble getting some ideas flowing and smoke a bowl how is that any different from some dirty old man using viagra to make his weenie stiff so he can screw a hooker? I guess I am apt to lean toward a shamanistic approach to drug use thats your answer as to why I don't accept your perception of reality.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmoe65 View Post
    Higher Authority? No. Just common sense. Try using it sometime.
    Your common sense is common ignorance. I don't rely on common sense since to base fact. It is inherently flawed by the perception of each person.

    There is a reason that science gets you to the moon where as common sense gets you a wheel barrel. I look at the research and the data. Anyone that applies to an entire population the attributes that they observed among a few situations is stupid. So far You have claimed to be right based on going to a pot distributor a few times and your extensive weed smoking experience.

    Don't you realize that everyone isn't the same? In the big picture, your experience means diddly shit. Your experience is 1 of a billion. If people could actually perceive truth without their own biases getting in the way, we wouldn't have to spend twice as much money to study the effects of a new medicine by using a control group taking a sugar pill.

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