Health Care Bill

**Dale Mabry** · 03-25-2010, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Nope, not going down that road. Been there, done that, it's a waste of time. You have your opinion, I have mine and neither one of us is going to change the other's. Just accept the fact that you and I are different people with different experiences and therefore, we form different opinions on things. Deal?

I don't think I can because I imagine you and I agree on about 95% of the same ideologies, but I can call a spade a spade.

I don't like this bill either, it doesn't affect me in any way, but this has been a problem since Clinton and the Republicans didn't do anything when they had control, they ignored it and look where we are. Now, we have a shitty healthcare bill that isn't paid for and the burden is going to be pushed on to the wrong people (I.e.-You) instead of the individual. I am not saying the bill is shit because it covers illegals, slackers, or abortions...those people are already taken care of, this bill doesn't provide provisions for them, it just allows them to do what they are already doing. The bill is shit because it's not paid for and everyone is considered equal. In this situation, that's not right.

This last part is a general gunshot to this whole ordeal. We are the land of the free. In that, you have the right to do to yourself what you wish. Do you want to smoke, go ahead, it's you're right. Feel like eating yourself in to a fat piece of shit with diabetes? Fine by me. The problem is, in 10 years when you need lung cancer treatment, or diabetes medicine...the healthy people are going to pay. In 5 years or whatever it is when people are going to be forced in to buying health insurance, all of the people who argue to get their liberties to do whatever they want to their bodies are going to be a burden on me. I don't think people with pre-existing conditions that are no fault of their own should be denied coverage, but people who willingly destroy their bodies should be paying more than me. Fat people should pay more, smokers should pay more, people who sit on their asses all day should pay more. Within that, I love my beer so I should pay more than a non-drinker. This bill is shit because there was no forethought in it, and it is not paid for. One of the primary drivers of public health is personal accountability, and this doesn't even consider that. Sure, the HI industry does As for it being paid for...Some dude on Fox News brought up a fantastic point...In 4 years when a significant portion of the Congress and Senate are not the same shlubs who are in now, they are going to repeal the tax increase that is supposed to happen on their watch. But, that's just the way Washington works, and with that, I can agree this bill is a piece of shit that is more symbolic than anything.

**GearsMcGilf** · 03-25-2010, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I just want to state at the beginning that this is directed to the party followers as a whole, not just our ancient friend here. Let's look at some numbers...

Cost of Iraq war-$975 billion over 7 years and rising
Benefit to US Taxpayer-Zero

Cost of Health Care-Projected to be $940 Billion over 10 years
Benefit to US Taxpayer-At least 1

How many people on the right have you heard complain about the cost of healthcare since it's inception 4 days ago?

Now, how many people on the right have you heard complain about the Iraq war since it started 7 years ago?

I think my point is pretty clear, but I'll elaborate...If you have complained about healthcare but not the Iraq War, or the ratio of your outrage is any worse than 1:1, it is obvious party loyalty is more important to you than what is best for this country.

I agree that the bill is flawed, and it is unjust that the rich are taxed any more than anyone else, but come on, any person with a grade school education can see that the outrage is misplaced.

You've obviously forgotten about September 11, 2001 and the connection to Iraq. It was Saddam's relationship with Al Qaeda and his weapons of mass destruction that made 9/11 possible. You and I are safer because Iraq and Afghanistan are now western style democracies with nearly the exact same culture and lifestyle that you and I enjoy. No one complained when we attacked Germany in WWII and this was probably even more necessary than that.

Also, the seeds of democracy are now planted in the arab world and Iranians will see the life that the Iraqis now enjoy and will follow suit. It is now only a matter of a few years until all of the middle east looks just like western Europe.

**bandaidwoman** · 03-25-2010, 12:33 PM

The one good thing about this health care reform it eliminated gender rating , those of us who provide health insurance for companies that have over 50% female employees, we pay 48% higher than the same size company with majority males. ( thus, most daycares, schools etc are doing this, and if you think a company who can hire men and women equally don't make sure they have a slightl percentage higher male to female ratio, then you are innocent). I have already talked to HUMana, they will be lowering our premiums by 50%, that means we go from half a million a year to 250, 000 big change...

**Dark Geared God** · 03-25-2010, 12:36 PM

Ftw

**Dale Mabry** · 03-25-2010, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

You've obviously forgotten about September 11, 2001 and the connection to Iraq. It was Saddam's relationship with Al Qaeda and his weapons of mass destruction that made 9/11 possible. You and I are safer because Iraq and Afghanistan are now western style democracies with nearly the exact same culture and lifestyle that you and I enjoy. No one complained when we attacked Germany in WWII and this was probably even more necessary than that.

Also, the seeds of democracy are now planted in the arab world and Iranians will see the life that the Iraqis now enjoy and will follow suit. It is now only a matter of a few years until all of the middle east looks just like western Europe.

Holy shit, you must truly be a troll.

**maniclion** · 03-25-2010, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Holy shit, you must truly be a troll.

You can't honestly believe anyone would think like that, well at least not anyone with internet connectivity...only those in the deepest backwoods would even hint at pushing that as their true beliefs...I think he's trying to be a Colbert sensationalist...

**Dale Mabry** · 03-25-2010, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by maniclion

You can't honestly believe anyone would think like that, well at least not anyone with internet connectivity...only those in the deepest backwoods would even hint at pushing that as their true beliefs...I think he's trying to be a Colbert sensationalist...

I can honestly believe that... and stop calling me Shirley.

**GearsMcGilf** · 03-25-2010, 04:39 PM

You know it's true. Those planes were packed full of nukes and other WMD that Saddam had handed over to Usama Ben Laden just before the hijacking. Saddam was also planning to hit us with all kinds of dirty nuclear bombs and mustart gas. If we hadn't gone in, we would have been hit within a year or so.

**Dale Mabry** · 03-25-2010, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

You know it's true. Those planes were packed full of nukes and other WMD that Saddam had handed over to Usama Ben Laden just before the hijacking. Saddam was also planning to hit us with all kinds of dirty nuclear bombs and mustart gas. If we hadn't gone in, we would have been hit within a year or so.

I get mustard gas from eating hotdogs.

**Pirate!** · 03-25-2010, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I can honestly believe that... and stop calling me Shirley.

Ha, good ole' Airplane.

I'm sure Gears was being sarcastic. It's funny and sad when you call it like it is. Some things make sense until you express them with words.

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