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    Overqualified but happy to work

    March 28, 2010
    Overqualified? Yes, but Happy to Have a Job
    By MICHAEL LUO

    GRANDVIEW, Mo. — Don Carroll, a former financial analyst with a master’s degree in business administration from a top university, was clearly overqualified for the job running the claims department for Cartwright International, a small, family-owned moving company here south of Kansas City.

    But he had been out of work for six months, and the department badly needed modernization after several decades of benign neglect. It turned out to be a perfect match.

    After being hired in December, Mr. Carroll, 31, quickly set about revamping the four-person department, which settles damage claims from moves, and creating tracking tools so the company could better understand its spending.

    Conventional wisdom warns against hiring overqualified candidates like Mr. Carroll, who often find themselves chafing at their new roles. (The posting for his job had specified “bachelor’s degree preferred but not required.”) But four months into his employment, it seems to be working out well for all involved.

    It is a situation being repeated across the country as the aspirations of many workers have been recalibrated amid the recession, enabling some companies to reap unexpected rewards.

    A result is a new cadre of underemployed workers dotting American companies, occupying slots several rungs below where they are accustomed to working. These are not the more drastic examples of former professionals toiling away at “survival jobs” at Home Depot or Starbucks. They are the former chief financial officer working as comptroller, the onetime marketing director who is back to being an analyst, the former manager who is once again an “individual contributor.”
    The phenomenon was probably inevitable in a labor market in which job seekers outnumber openings five to one. Employers are seizing the opportunity to stock up on discounted talent, despite the obvious risks that the new hires will become dissatisfied and leave. “They’re trying to really professionalize this company,” said Mr. Carroll, who is the sole breadwinner for his family of four and had lost his home to foreclosure. “I’ve been able to play a big role in that.”

    In some cases, of course, the new employees fail to work out, forcing the company through the process of hiring and training someone else. But Mr. Carroll is just one of several recent hires at Cartwright who would be considered overqualified, including a billing clerk who is a certified public accountant and a human resources director who once oversaw that domain for 5,000 employees but is now dealing with just 65.

    They represent marked upgrades for Cartwright, a modest-size business with expanding ambitions. The company is benefiting from an influx of talent it probably never would have been able to attract in a better economic climate.

    “There’s a nice free-agent market right now,” said Randy Woehl, the human resources director. “The best it’s ever been.”
    Exact numbers for workers toiling in positions where their experience or education exceed their job descriptions are hard to come by, in part because the concept is difficult to measure and can be quite subjective. Several studies have put the figure at roughly one in five American workers, although some doubt the numbers are that high. Economists and sociologists, however, agree that the frequency inevitably increases in hard times.

    Nevertheless, an overriding complaint among many job seekers, particularly professionals, is how often they are rejected for lower-level positions that they desperately want and believe they could practically do in their sleep.

    Academic research on the subject confirms that workers who perceive themselves as overqualified do, in fact, report lower job satisfaction and higher rates of turnover. But the studies also indicate that those workers tend to perform better. Moreover, there is evidence that many of the negatives that come with overqualified hires can be mitigated if they are given autonomy and made to feel valued and respected.

    The new variable in all of this is the continuing grim economic climate. Many workers’ ambitions have evolved, after all, from climbing the ladder to simply holding on to a job, any job. Turnover would also seem to be less of a concern amid predictions that it could be years before unemployment returns to pre-recession levels.
    Jackie Swanson, 44, accepted a part-time job in May as a facilities manager at Conservation Services Group, a Massachusetts company that delivers energy-efficiency programs and training across the country. She had been laid off after 16 years at another company, where she had handled more than 50 offices as a corporate facilities planner.
    In her previous position, she had been more of a project manager, whereas the new job was mostly about the upkeep of the headquarters building. Ms. Swanson managed to convince the company’s recruiter that she was excited about the organization and that her priorities for a job had changed.

    “I was willing to take a drastic cut in pay just to have stability,” she said.
    Since then, Ms. Swanson has been promoted to full time. Even though her job still represents a step down in responsibilities, she has no plans to leave anytime soon.
    “I’m happy here,” she said. “I actually feel respected.”

    At Cartwright, Mr. Carroll said he had so far found enough to keep him engaged because he had mostly been given free rein in the department. He has also volunteered to help the company’s finance and accounting managers with anything they might need. Whenever he gets a request from someone higher up the ladder, he consciously tries to overdeliver.
    Nevertheless, there are signs of angst. He is being paid a third less than he used to make. He and his wife realize that many of their financial goals could be set back years by this period. He is still paying attention to what is happening in the job market but is not actively looking.

    Mr. Carroll’s cubicle mate, Mindy William, a former graphic designer and single mother who had been working at Target before she was recently hired as a claims adjuster, said she had noticed that he seemed to talk about his old job a lot.
    “I know it’s been an adjustment for him,” she said. “He’s just making the best of it like the rest of us are. We’re glad to have jobs in this recession.”

    For his part, Mr. Carroll admitted that he had caught himself often trying to drop his credentials into conversations at his new workplace.
    “Obviously that stems from maybe some embarrassment at the level that I’m at,” he said. “I do want people to know that, to some extent, this isn’t who I am.”
    It helps somewhat that most of his former business school classmates are hardly becoming masters of the universe.
    “It’s not like anyone else is tearing it up,” he said.
    While he is happy for now, Mr. Carroll worries about what will happen once he has finished the more interesting work of overhauling the department. He wonders how long simply having a job will be enough.

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    There are at least 3 new people in my department who lost their jobs in IT and had to come to work for us. One guy has 20 years of experience and could teach most the people in my department a thing or two about how things are suppose to be done, but they don't.

    One guy is quite, and just sits in his office doing is bullshit work that is so far beneath him. I feel bad for the guy, but he is being a good sport about it, and never complains or tried to show people up.

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    I was thinking about how many hours I work a week, 60 god damn hours on a slow week show up at 7:30 leave at 5:30 if I'm lucky plus Saturdays any random number of hours....whatever happened to 9 to 5 that our Grandparents worked? You'd think with all the technology that was supposed to make living easier people wouldn't work as much we'd have more leisure time to enjoy life especially since there are triple the number of people, we could work in shifts and everyone could work less hours. Plus the commute, I swear I could get to work faster on horseback. And then we come to retirement, my grandfather was retired my whole life, he worked at Ford 25 years and that was it he was 50 and done working just enjoying life on his pension running a small ranch for some wealthy lawyer in the Texas plains. How did we let ourselves get sucked into this souless existence of working all the precious hours of life away? "Selling your hours for a handful of dimes" Morrison said, time is the only thing in life that should matter to us and we have somehow let these slave drivers steal our lifes, for what so they can get a few extra dollars squeezed out of early birds and save from having to pay another worker so you can take 2 days off a week instead of 1.....I swear everythings backwards, with computers, email and phones our jobs take way less time than they ever did and yet here we are working twice as long....somethings got to change or we're all gonna burn out long before we can retire at 75 which will be the age by the time my generation gets around to it, if we don't all go crazy first like the Japanese...
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    I would go broke if I lived strictly on salary. Emergency pay, and oncall pay is the only way to get ahead. I'm a greedy bastard, so I take it anytime I can get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    I was thinking about how many hours I work a week, 60 god damn hours on a slow week show up at 7:30 leave at 5:30 if I'm lucky plus Saturdays any random number of hours....whatever happened to 9 to 5 that our Grandparents worked?
    Gone with the wind. Companies no longer have any loyalty to their employees whatsoever. It's all about making a buck and screw the employees. There are so many people out of work looking for a job these days companies can probably hire someone at 1/2 our current salaries and use that as a scare tactic. Many companies are now looking to downsize personnel that aren't working 60 hours a week. It would be awesome to have a Great American Walkout at all companies that use these scare tactics.
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    Yes, there are a lot of over-qualified people doing jobs that are below their skill and educational level.

    And i do believe, this will be a long term phenomenon.
    Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first.

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    So basically going to college is a bigger waste of time and money than ever before....

    I read an article (and am not surprised at all) talking about how most people have a VERY hard time getting a job they get paid enough to pay off their student loans in a respectable time period...

    They pay thousands and thousands to go to school for a nice degree, just to graduate and get a shitty ass job....The sad thing is that most people just go back to school because they don't know wtf to do with themselves, thus racking up more bills.


    Fuck college in the modern day......and the modern day workforce for that matter....

    I agree with Manic.


    Is there a such thing as "The American Dream" anymore? It seems to be an endless chase....I am going to guess that most amounts of money that you would think that would make you very happy would still feel like not enough....I mean you can't retire on a million anymore they say....

    America is an endless chase for financial comfort and happiness....It is a fallacy these days. Work your fingers to the bone and all your monies are belonging to the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex View Post
    So basically going to college is a bigger waste of time and money than ever before....

    I read an article (and am not surprised at all) talking about how most people have a VERY hard time getting a job they get paid enough to pay off their student loans in a respectable time period...

    They pay thousands and thousands to go to school for a nice degree, just to graduate and get a shitty ass job....The sad thing is that most people just go back to school because they don't know wtf to do with themselves, thus racking up more bills.


    Fuck college in the modern day......and the modern day workforce for that matter....

    I agree with Manic.


    Is there a such thing as "The American Dream" anymore? It seems to be an endless chase....I am going to guess that most amounts of money that you would think that would make you very happy would still feel like not enough....I mean you can't retire on a million anymore they say....

    America is an endless chase for financial comfort and happiness....It is a fallacy these days. Work your fingers to the bone and all your monies are belonging to the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
    "All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buds, and I'm fine."

    Name that movie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
    "All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buds, and I'm fine."

    Name that movie
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    I hate people with an entitlement mindset. I get that they went to school and learnt some information, but to sit around and cry because you think/feel that you are entitled to something is pathetic.

    If they are so fucking clever why dont they start their own business and make the loot they think they deserve, rather than sitting around saying "I should make more money".

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    The movie was Fast times at Ridgemont High...I love the freekin movie...

    A friend of mine ordered a pizza delivered to science class before that movie came out...It was hilarious the look on the teachers face...You ordered a freekin pizza in science class...are you mad?

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    I remember back in the 70s watching a news piece about how computers and technology were going to make everyone's life easier. They predicted the average work week in the future would be 32 hours. Yeah right.

    Instead, because you can do so much more in less time, employers just want more and more. My job is like that for sure. When I am off, work continues to pile up. I leave around 6:30 pm, and come in the next morning to around 30 emails...
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    there's a shit load more to success than a degree or three
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee View Post
    The movie was Fast times at Ridgemont High...I love the freekin movie...

    A friend of mine ordered a pizza delivered to science class before that movie came out...It was hilarious the look on the teachers face...You ordered a freekin pizza in science class...are you mad?
    I don't see the problem, I'd tell the teacher that people are more apt to latch onto new ideas when they are happy and content, it's science class the teacher should know about the release of dopamine and increased attention, pizza is a nootropic and a weed smoker needs all the cognitive boosters they can find....
    Coarse edged youth, the irish pendants string from their smiles
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    no sign of despair in their hair, nor their hearts
    but oh they have yet to be experienced and that makes aging so very worth it...ML circa2012

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