Thread: Space Exploration and Aliens?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

so you are nuts. good to know. nothing you posted there is true about Christianity. you are just completely off base with your understanding of what Christianity teaches.

I'm not nuts lol. I make a concious effort to have as little negative impact on this planet as possible, I don't shoot/kill animals for fun, I pay the extra money for "green" electricity ect and it bothers me how humans are destroying our natural resources here on Earth and the owners of the planet are making little to no effort in finding other planets to migrate to. I have had many discussions with fundamentalist Christians who make a conscious effort not to care about the Earth or the environment and they laugh at the theory of global warming all because they have been taught (in church) that they have dominion over every other lifeform here on Earth. eg

"Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

"Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

I'm not saying that you share this attitude as you have no doubt evolved (AKA cherry-picked) your christian beliefs.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

Christians don't believe in raping the earth for our gain. if we would have spent the last 2000 years devoted to space exploration we likely wouldn't be any closer to colonizing another planet than we are now.

Why not? We haven't even tried and we have only recently discovered how to find other planets orbiting stars in other solar systems. Nicolaus Copernicus was the first scientist to propose that the earth in fact went around the sun and not the other way around and he was persecuted by the christian authorities because of it. Christian establishments have been against any idea that conflicts with the bible even when there is a staggering amount of evidence to suggest otherwise and they still do so today. My point being that if these powerfull establishments hadn't been so narrow-minded and were open to new ideas we could have migrated to many planets by now, christianity and science have never mixed.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

I believe if we wanted to we could colonize Mars. and I'm not against sending men to Mars to do that, but to what end? lol. we certainly aren't capable with known science in getting men to another solar system. hell we are just beginning to find planets in other solar systems that may be earth like.

As you would be well aware there is no point in sending man to Mars, we need to think bigger and look for planets in other solar systems that are in the inhabbitable zone for life, not just one but many. Sure, we are already doing this but we should be making it top priority.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

you really need to come back to the reservation. right now you have turned science into your religion, and science is something that is always proving what we "know" today to be wrong. trust me when I say you didn't offend me. takes way more than that for me to get offended. I just disagree with everything you posted

Science isn't my religion as I'm against religion, religions teach people to be satisfied with not understanding the world in which we live and that, I believe is a huge loss as we are all extremely lucky to have witnessed existence. To be indoctinated with lies regarding why we exist at all destroys appreciation at how we managed to beat the odd and survive to become fully concious beings. Science will only improve in time as it corrects its mistakes where as religions keep believing lies even when the evidence proves otherwise.

I'm glad I didn't offend you as it was not my intention, I just happen to be passionate about space travel, extremely curious as to what else is out there and frustrated with the human race's obsession with the supernatural, it is this obsession that is holding us back as a race.

LMFAO! LOL Just like we used to be monkeys, right? Where's that half monkey half human life form? I guess Noah just forgot about them. lol Just as there are no half monkey half humans, there are no little green men on Mars. Nor are there any other planets outside of this solar system. In the thousands of years that the universe has existed, there would be other galaxies if God wanted them.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

LMFAO! LOL Just like we used to be monkeys, right? Where's that half monkey half human life form? I guess Noah just forgot about them. lol Just as there are no half monkey half humans, there are no little green men on Mars. Nor are there any other planets outside of this solar system. In the thousands of years that the universe has existed, there would be other galaxies if God wanted them.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

I'm not nuts lol. I make a concious effort to have as little negative impact on this planet as possible, I don't shoot/kill animals for fun, I pay the extra money for "green" electricity ect and it bothers me how humans are destroying our natural resources here on Earth and the owners of the planet are making little to no efforet in finding other planets to migrate to. I have had many discussions with fundamentalist Christians who make a conscious effort not to care about the Earth or the environment and they laugh at the theory of global warming all because they have been taught (in church) that they have dominion over every other lifeform here on Earth. eg

"Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

"Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

I'm not saying that you share this attitude as you have no doubt evolved (AKA cherry-picked) your christian beliefs.




Why not? We haven't even tried and we have only recently discovered how to find other planets orbiting starts in other solar systems. Nicolaus Copernicus was the first scientist to propose that the earth in fact went around the sun and not the other way around and he was persecuted by the christian authorities because of it. Christian establishments have been against any idea that conflicts with the bible even when there is a staggering amount of evidence to suggest otherwise and they still do it today. My point being that if these powerfull establishments hadn't been so narrow-minded and were open to new ideas we could have migrated to many planets by now, christianity and science have never mixed.



As you would be well aware there is no point in sending man to Mars, we need to think bigger and look for planets in other solar systems that are in the inhabbitable zone for life, not just one but many. Sure, we are already doing this but we should be making it top priority.





Science isn't my religion as I'm against religion, religions teach people to be satisfied with not understanding the world in which we live and that, I believe is a huge loss as we are all extremely lucky to have witnessed existence. To be indoctinated with lies regarding why we exist at all destroys appreciation at how we managed to beat the odd and survive to become fully concious beings. Science will only improve in time as it corrects its mistakes where as religions keep believing lies even when the evidence proves otherwise.

I'm glad I didn't offend you as it was not my intention, I just happen to be passionate about space travel, extremely curious as to what else is out there and frustrated with the human race's obsession with the supernatural, it is this obsession that is holding us back as a race.

congratulations on your desire to protect the earth. good for you. God did give man dominion over the earth, and we will be held accountable for our actions pertaining to this stewardship. Global warming huh? well science tells us the earth has been both warmer and colder throughout history. so tell me this, what temperature is the earth supposed to be? I've yet to see anything that shows man is having a drastic effect on the temperature of the earth. the earth is coming out of a mini ice-age. makes sense that it is warming up. personally if its hotter I'll go wake boarding. if colder, ill go snowboarding. either way I'm happy.

care to tell me what you mean by cherry picked? i just want to be clear here on your meaning before i respond to something.

I'm a scientist and I feel that they mix just fine. there is nothing we are currently learning in science that God doesn't already know. I feel physics and our limitations of mortality limits our ability to make it to other planets. even our most theoretical physicists aren't getting us there in science fiction. I'm all for us devoting our time/talents/intelligence/energies to this, but there are many other things worthwhile as well.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

I disagree that other life forms in other galaxy's conflicts with the bible.

We can't avoid conflict here on earth regarding this topic let alone in other galaxys lol.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

We can't avoid conflict here on earth regarding this topic let alone in other galaxys lol.

you are mixing two things here. where in the bible does it say life doesn't exist outside of our world?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

care to tell me what you mean by cherry picked? i just want to be clear here on your meaning before i respond to something.

Although Christianity has had it's fair share of blood on its hands in the past, lucky for us it has now become a religion of peace. We are no longer killing people for working on Sundays, stoning people to death for commiting adultry, killing homosexuals, killing children for back-chatting their parents, paying fathers an amount of money for raping their young virgin daughters and all the other dark-age violence that is written in the bible.
Have you read the bible from cover to cover?

Anyway what were we discussing? Space exploration.

Interesting discussion by Dawkins.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

Although Christianity has had it's fair share of blood on its hands in the past, lucky for us it has now become a religion of peace. We are no longer killing people for working on Sundays, stoning people to death for commiting adultry, killing homosexuals, killing children for back-chatting their parents, paying fathers an amount of money for raping their young virgin daughters and all the other dark-age violence that is written in the bible.
Have you read the bible from cover to cover?

Anyway what were we discussing? Space exploration.

I've read it multiple times actually. the bible was written before the dark ages. have you seen a timeline by chance?

you didn't answer my question about how my beliefs are apparently cherry picked. care to try again?

Originally Posted by bio-chem

I've read it multiple times actually. the bible was written before the dark ages. have you seen a timeline by chance?

you didn't answer my question about how my beliefs are apparently cherry picked. care to try again?

I may have seen timeline however I'm not sure if it is the same one you are referring to.

I mentioned just some of the violence and barbarism in the bible and I'm sure you would find that behaviour immoral.

If you do not approve of this behaviour yet call yourself a christian then you are cherry picking the many nice pieces in the bible and basing your faith on that however you can't have it both ways, it's either right or wrong.


Edit- Which timeline are you talking about? I'll watch it and see what it's about, maybe it's on you tube.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

I may have seen timeline however I'm not sure if it is the same one you are referring to.

I mentioned just some of the violence and barbarism in the bible and I'm sure you would find that behaviour immoral.

If you do not approve of this behaviour yet call yourself a christian then you are cherry picking the many nice pieces in the bible and basing your faith on that however you can't have it both ways, it's either right or wrong.

you know a little bit about the bible, but don't have an understanding of it much. you ever compared/contrasted the old/new testaments? much of the barbarism as you call it is coming from the old testament. long before Christianity was ever even a concept. again, timelines are important. you are attributing something to a people before they even existed.

my beliefs are hardly cherry picked, and they are not based solely upon the bible. I can see why someone who has a general knowledge, but a lack of understanding would think that though.

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Im EXTREMELY fascinated by space exploration. I think there is so much we dont know.

My guilty pleasure is watching theories about Nibiru and the sumarians.