Thread: Tax funded sterilization for the working poor and welfare types

This is a huge issue, and it will be very controversial.

My opinion, while I do feel as if some people shouldn't be able to procreate, I don't feel as if anyone should be the one to lay that restriction on them. So many people have the mindset of: why the hell would I bring a child into this shit world. And those who don't care and breed like bunnies are overpopulating.

Wealth should be the furthest thing from determining who is eligible for something such as this. There are a lot of smart people who don't care about wealth, and there are the same amount of people who are richer beyond anything, who are dumbasses. Just because someone didn't have daddy pay their way through college/university, or inherit millions of dollars, doesn't mean they should be prevented from going about their life like everyone else.

We are all human, no one is superior over another.. at least we shouldn't be. Sadly, there are many who do feel as though they are superior, which is something I will never completely understand.

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as long as it's not forced, certainly.

yes, but for everyone.....it will certainly save the state more money in the long run (possibly the short term as well). Its a bit ridiculous that insurance doesn't cover birth control, which only costs app $25 a month. Its was cheaper than a $10,000 birthing cost accompanied with unforeseen health costs for the child as he/she grows up.

I"m sure you get could big pharma to lobby for this one too.

Originally Posted by Muscle_Girl

This is a huge issue, and it will be very controversial.

My opinion, while I do feel as if some people shouldn't be able to procreate, I don't feel as if anyone should be the one to lay that restriction on them. So many people have the mindset of: why the hell would I bring a child into this shit world. And those who don't care and breed like bunnies are overpopulating.

Wealth should be the furthest thing from determining who is eligible for something such as this. There are a lot of smart people who don't care about wealth, and there are the same amount of people who are richer beyond anything, who are dumbasses. Just because someone didn't have daddy pay their way through college/university, or inherit millions of dollars, doesn't mean they should be prevented from going about their life like everyone else.

We are all human, no one is superior over another.. at least we shouldn't be. Sadly, there are many who do feel as though they are superior, which is something I will never completely understand.

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i agree. if poor people weren't allowed to have babies some of the worlds finest people would never have existed.

To the posts above, wealth isn't the determining factor. Being a pathetic failure and a drain on the resources is the determining factor. It just so happens that most of the people on welfare fall into this category.

I would go another step and say that each family is allowed to have only two kids. If a man has conceived two living people he has a mandatory vasectomy. If a woman has given birth to two living people she has a mandatory tubal ligation.

Only healthy productive members of society should be allowed to breed. This reverse Darwinism shit needs to end. We are headed for another dark age.

The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The first is blind, the second is dead. The third is deaf and the fourth has TB. The mother finds she is pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you recommend abortion?







you would have killed Beethoven.

Oh man, I probably didn't understand the question as it was meant.

I am Canadian, so this sort of thing is a non-issue as it is covered by provincial health plans. Obviously voluntarily, I would agree that it should be funded by the government, for anyone who chooses (even the wealthy).

my statement about beethoven was completely false btw. but it makes one think.

Originally Posted by Muscle_Girl

Oh man, I probably didn't understand the question as it was meant.

I am Canadian, so this sort of thing is a non-issue as it is covered by provincial health plans. Obviously voluntarily, I would agree that it should be funded by the government, for anyone who chooses (even the wealthy).

i think often it's a struggle for those who are considered well able to afford their own health care to afford it in reality so that's a good idea. i've seen a few guys on here ask questions when they needed to see a dr n didn't want to go because of the cost and one give up a medication he really needed due to the cost.

I'd be okay with a federally funded plan to pay for sterilization for anyone that asks.

It should never, ever be forced on someone. The government should never be able to go anywhere near that sort of power. Ever.

Originally Posted by KelJu

To the posts above, wealth isn't the determining factor. Being a pathetic failure and a drain on the resources is the determining factor. It just so happens that most of the people on welfare fall into this category.

I would go another step and say that each family is allowed to have only two kids. If a man has conceived two living people he has a mandatory vasectomy. If a woman has given birth to two living people she has a mandatory tubal ligation.

Only healthy productive members of society should be allowed to breed. This reverse Darwinism shit needs to end. We are headed for another dark age.

And to add to kelju thought most don't want to improve themselfs, they look at the gov handout as free money then say repubs are evil..ect

Originally Posted by The Situation

And to add to kelju thought most don't want to improve themselfs, they look at the gov handout as free money then say repubs are evil..ect

The poor deserve to be poor.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The first is blind, the second is dead. The third is deaf and the fourth has TB. The mother finds she is pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you recommend abortion?







you would have killed Beethoven.

I would gladly have performed the abortion myself! If it means we can reduce poverty and ignorance, then losing a few scientist and composers is worth the cost. Working at a critical access hospital has opened my eyes. You guys have no idea how much money is flushed down the drain providing heath care to people on medicare and medicaid. It is obscene!

Now, I'm not completely heartless. I think we are doing the right thing helping those who can't seem to help themselves, but continuing the cycle is dumb. These people obviously can't be trusted with to not be a burden and create future generations of burdens on society. They lower the collective consciousness.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The first is blind, the second is dead. The third is deaf and the fourth has TB. The mother finds she is pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you recommend abortion?







you would have killed Beethoven.

i would give them all high doses of gamma Rads to kill them all to save the gene pool

Originally Posted by DOMS

The poor deserve to be poor.

most do not want to get out of the problem..its true sad but true..but there are those 1% that do the work and make it happen...just saying

Originally Posted by KelJu

I would gladly have performed the abortion myself! If it means we can reduce poverty and ignorance, then losing a few scientist and composers is worth the cost. Working at a critical access hospital has opened my eyes. You guys have no idea how much money is flushed down the drain providing heath care to people on medicare and medicaid. It is obscene!

Now, I'm not completely heartless. I think we are doing the right thing helping those who can't seem to help themselves, but continuing the cycle is dumb. These people obviously can't be trusted with to not be a burden and create future generations of burdens on society. They lower the collective consciousness.

the county hospital in phoenix is a prime example of people that shouldn't breed , oh to day they busted a 400million scam on medicade/care in 5 states...WOW

Originally Posted by The Situation

most do not want to get out of the problem..its true sad but true..but there are those 1% that do the work and make it happen...just saying

I was there, I know the truth of that.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I was there, I know the truth of that.

And knowing is half the battle

Originally Posted by KelJu

To the posts above, wealth isn't the determining factor. Being a pathetic failure and a drain on the resources is the determining factor. It just so happens that most of the people on welfare fall into this category.

I would go another step and say that each family is allowed to have only two kids. If a man has conceived two living people he has a mandatory vasectomy. If a woman has given birth to two living people she has a mandatory tubal ligation.

Only healthy productive members of society should be allowed to breed. This reverse Darwinism shit needs to end. We are headed for another dark age.

Who determins what is the criteria for "healthy productive"? What do you say about someone like Stephen Hawking? He's not exactly the healthiest specimen of human being but he's not exactly a mental wasteland either. A comparable question came up on the radio the other day - Dick Cheney, former US Vice Pres, very recently had a pump put on his heart as a bridging therapy until he can get a heart transplant. He's 69 yrs old so on the outer edge of the criteria for those who "qualify" for a viable and healthy transplant. He's had 5 heart attacks. He's a very wealthy person, former VP. Some people think he's a piece of shit who never should've been born. Some respect him for what he's accomplished in his life. Do you think he's going to get equal treatment w/ those already on the list for a heart transplant or is he going to get moved up the list because of who he is? Does who he is, justify giving him a chance, over others, to continue to live?

They should offer a monetary reward, Nascar and Wrastlin tickets, and a pair of fuzzy dice to any man who volunteers for a vasectomy....
For women manicure coupons, free weave service for one year and the latest and greatest in pink phones encased in rhinestones.....

Originally Posted by maniclion

They should offer a monetary reward, Nascar and Wrastlin tickets, and a pair of fuzzy dice to any man who volunteers for a vasectomy....
For women manicure coupons, free weave service for one year and the latest and greatest in pink phones encased in rhinestones.....

Originally Posted by Little Wing

The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The first is blind, the second is dead. The third is deaf and the fourth has TB. The mother finds she is pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you recommend abortion?







you would have killed Beethoven.

Well back then and up through 1900 any child who lived past the age of 1 year old was considered having a slightly decent chance of reaching adulthood.... Did you know the Hawaiians didn't name their baby until after it's first birthday so that they wouldn't have a name to remember when it died.....

Originally Posted by maniclion

They should offer a monetary reward, Nascar and Wrastlin tickets, and a pair of fuzzy dice to any man who volunteers for a vasectomy....
For women manicure coupons, free weave service for one year and the latest and greatest in pink phones encased in rhinestones.....

how true the problem would be taken care of

this worked fabulously for Adolf Hitler, it's about time true facism got it's dues . .

Originally Posted by TheCapt'n

this worked fabulously for Adolf Hitler, it's about time true facism got it's dues . .

well he did purge all the mental people first..so

Originally Posted by The Situation

well he did purge all the mental people first..so

so all the retarded ginger-haired jews were pretty much fucked from the get-go then

Originally Posted by sassy69

Who determins what is the criteria for "healthy productive"? What do you say about someone like Stephen Hawking? He's not exactly the healthiest specimen of human being but he's not exactly a mental wasteland either. A comparable question came up on the radio the other day - Dick Cheney, former US Vice Pres, very recently had a pump put on his heart as a bridging therapy until he can get a heart transplant. He's 69 yrs old so on the outer edge of the criteria for those who "qualify" for a viable and healthy transplant. He's had 5 heart attacks. He's a very wealthy person, former VP. Some people think he's a piece of shit who never should've been born. Some respect him for what he's accomplished in his life. Do you think he's going to get equal treatment w/ those already on the list for a heart transplant or is he going to get moved up the list because of who he is? Does who he is, justify giving him a chance, over others, to continue to live?

Stephen Hawking is still contributing to society in the form of knowledge. On top of that, his DNA is priceless. Damn shame is illness is genetic. They should take his DNA and try to preserve it until they have a cure for ALS. Then women could use his DNA to make tons of little Hawking geniuses.

Dick Chaney has taken infinitely more from society than a welfare mother ever could. But that's my opinion. The facts are that he is an accomplished man and public servant. He will not get equal treatment most likely. I am sure that evil prick has a few tricks up his sleeve to get a new ticker.

Originally Posted by TheCapt'n

this worked fabulously for Adolf Hitler, it's about time true facism got it's dues . .

Lol, actually it did. The Germans, pound for pound, whooped the dog shit out of everybody. He had some pretty weird plans for selective breeding. His Ape/Human hybrid idea was freaky weird.