U.S. to make Internet wiretaps easier

**Prince** · 09-27-2010, 08:23 AM

U.S. to make Internet wiretaps easier

Officials say terrorists, criminals increasingly favor online communications to phones

WASHINGTON — Broad new regulations being drafted by the Obama administration would make it easier for law enforcement and national security officials to eavesdrop on Internet and e-mail communications like social networking websites and BlackBerrys, The New York Times reported Monday.

The newspaper said the White House plans to submit a bill next year that would require all online services that enable communications to be technically equipped to comply with a wiretap order. That would include providers of encrypted e-mail, such as BlackBerry, networking sites like Facebook and direct communication services like Skype.

Federal law enforcement and national security officials say new the regulations are needed because terrorists and criminals are increasingly giving up their phones to communicate online.

"We're talking about lawfully authorized intercepts," said FBI lawyer Valerie E. Caproni. "We're not talking about expanding authority. We're talking about preserving our ability to execute our existing authority in order to protect the public safety and national security."

The White House plans to submit the proposed legislation to Congress next year.

Privacy vs. national security
The new regulations would raise fresh questions about protecting people's privacy while balancing national security concerns.

James Dempsey, the vice president of the Center for Democracy and Technology, an Internet policy group, said the new regulations would have "huge implications."

"They basically want to turn back the clock and make Internet services function the way that the telephone system used to function," he told the Times.

The Times said the Obama proposal would likely include several requires:

—Any service that provides encrypted messages must be capable of unscrambling them.

—Any foreign communications providers that do business in the U.S. would have to have an office in the United States that's capable of providing intercepts.

—Software developers of peer-to-peer communications services would be required to redesign their products to allow interception.

The Times said that some privacy and technology advocates say the regulations would create weaknesses in the technology that hackers could more easily exploit.

**GearsMcGilf** · 09-27-2010, 08:29 AM

Wonder why Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, et al, aren't calling for investigations and indictments like they all were when the Bush admin was eavesdropping on a few calls from overseas?

**KelJu** · 09-27-2010, 08:54 AM

I heard this shit this morning on the way to work. Fucking cock sucking mother fuckers! I had hoped that the patriot act and other laws in the spirit of the patriot act would slowly lose steam with the Democrats in power, but no such luck. Wiretap my blackberry without a warrant? FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU DEMOCRATS! Keep this shit up, and I will vote republican across the board in spite. You mother fuckers! The government has no right to snoop on my blackberry mail.

**vortrit** · 09-27-2010, 09:01 AM

I heard this this morning and actually thought it was a joke.

**LAM** · 09-27-2010, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

I will vote republican across the board in spite.

^^^^^That's the best way for most American's to end up in Hooverville...

this should be no surprise..as technology increases so must the means to monitor those new technologies....I highly doubt if the process of obtaining a warrant at the Federal level is going to change

**KelJu** · 09-27-2010, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by LAM

^^^^^That's the best way for most American's to end up in Hooverville...

We are headed to Hooverville anyway. Fuck it! I say we step on the clutch and blow this mother fucker. If we are going to go down, lets go down hard and fast.

**Dark Geared God** · 09-27-2010, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

We are headed to Hooverville anyway. Fuck it! I say we step on the clutch and blow this mother fucker. If we are going to go down, lets go down hard and fast.

Get to hell quicker..i knew i like u for some reason..

**danzik17** · 09-27-2010, 10:01 AM

Good luck with that. It's braindead simple to write your own simple IM client that uses 256bit AES.

Email + PGP. Hell, DropBox with a TrueCrypt container.

What they're asking is impossible. We really need some technically competent people in Congress.

**KelJu** · 09-27-2010, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by danzik17

Good luck with that. It's braindead simple to write your own simple IM client that uses 256bit AES.

Email + PGP. Hell, DropBox with a TrueCrypt container.

What they're asking is impossible. We really need some technically competent people in Congress.

That is all well and good for controlling what you send and what you receive from others who have the foresight and know how. What do I do about idiot friends sending me shit that is inappropriate?

But none of that is the point. The point is this is just one more step towards Americans being interfered with by an overly intrusive government.

**LAM** · 09-27-2010, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

But none of that is the point. The point is this is just one more step towards Americans being interfered with by an overly intrusive government.

How do you figure? Simply looking at it from the National Security perspective if the Fed government is to monitor ALL communications to/from the country why should comms. on the Internet or a Blackberry be excluded?

it would be comparable to locking all the windows on the 1st floor of a home, and the main doors but leaving the side door on a new edition unlocked.

**KelJu** · 09-27-2010, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by LAM

How do you figure? Simply looking at it from the National Security perspective if the Fed government is to monitor ALL communications to/from the country why should comms. on the Internet or a Blackberry be excluded?

it would be comparable to locking all the windows on the 1st floor of a home, and the main doors but leaving the side door on a new edition unlocked.

The argument that my phone is already being tapped, so what does it hurt that they want to tap my email too is a very bad slippery slope. My intellectual property is just as important to me as my material property. I don't want shitheads walking into my house without a warrant, and I don't want shitheads snooping through my intellectual property without a warrant. .

**LAM** · 09-27-2010, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

The argument that my phone is already being tapped, so what does it hurt that they want to tap my email too is a very bad slippery slope. My intellectual property is just as important to me as my material property. I don't want shitheads walking into my house without a warrant, and I don't want shitheads snooping through my intellectual property without a warrant. .

my best guess would be that these things are already being done they just need to get the legislation passed on making it official.

**KelJu** · 09-27-2010, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by LAM

my best guess would be that these things are already being done they just need to get the legislation passed on making it official.

No doubt in my mind that this is true. None the less, is is still part of a plan to invade our personal lives one step at a time. It is like cheating on your wife behind her back repeatedly with no consequences, so you take it a step father and do it right out in the open once you have figured out that she will put up little resistance.

**ontopthegame85** · 09-27-2010, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

We are headed to Hooverville anyway. Fuck it! I say we step on the clutch and blow this mother fucker. If we are going to go down, lets go down hard and fast.

u goverment.Survival of the fittest

**maniclion** · 09-27-2010, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by legendkiller85

u goverment.Survival of the fittest

Survival of the Facists

(once I declare open season on them)

**maniclion** · 09-27-2010, 07:18 PM

All this is going to do is promote investment into foreign software developers who can't be regulated by US policy and make it even more difficult for them to trace intel....

**busyLivin** · 09-27-2010, 07:55 PM

Anything I do/view/write, etc. on the Internet I really don't consider "private" anyway. I do worry about hackers exploiting these back doors though.

**soxmuscle** · 09-27-2010, 08:23 PM

If this power is abused, then it will suck, otherwise, I couldn't care less.

For instance, bringing to a halt recreational pot use would be foolish. But if it prevents a terrorist attack from some towelhead fuck who wants to blow up Wrigley Field, then by all means, it should be instituted.

**lnvanry** · 09-27-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Wonder why Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, et al, aren't calling for investigations and indictments like they all were when the Bush admin was eavesdropping on a few calls from overseas?

Its just another example of how our two parties are actually one party when it comes to the big 3: intelligence, monetary policy, and foreign policy

**lnvanry** · 09-27-2010, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

If this power is abused, then it will suck, otherwise, I couldn't care less.

For instance, bringing to a halt recreational pot use would be foolish. But if it prevents a terrorist attack from some towelhead fuck who wants to blow up Wrigley Field, then by all means, it should be instituted.

so do you trust it won't be abused?

**ScorpionKing** · 09-27-2010, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

If this power is abused, then it will suck, otherwise, I couldn't care less.

For instance, bringing to a halt recreational pot use would be foolish. But if it prevents a terrorist attack from some towelhead fuck who wants to blow up Wrigley Field, then by all means, it should be instituted.

Power Abused Not our Goverment! All power by the federal goverment is abused to one degree or another. This is how goverment functions. Its up to the voters in november to put a stop to some of this power abuse.

**soxmuscle** · 09-27-2010, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by lnvanry

so do you trust it won't be abused?

If somebody gets in trouble for buying recreational drugs, I'll be the leader of the revolution.

I never thought I'd see one of these, but man, would it be cool to lead one and actually do the right thing, even if it isn't politically correct.

Blowing up the middle east would solve so many problems...

**lnvanry** · 09-27-2010, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

If somebody gets in trouble for buying recreational drugs, I'll be the leader of the revolution.

I never thought I'd see one of these, but man, would it be cool to lead one and actually do the right thing, even if it isn't politically correct.

Blowing up the middle east would solve so many problems...

It would create a ton of problems too

**KelJu** · 09-27-2010, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

If somebody gets in trouble for buying recreational drugs, I'll be the leader of the revolution.

I never thought I'd see one of these, but man, would it be cool to lead one and actually do the right thing, even if it isn't politically correct.

Blowing up the middle east would solve so many problems...

I think you are smarter than that. I could cut off my hand to stop my finger from hurting, and it would solve the problem, but what problems would it cause?

We trained middle eastern countries on how to fight the soviets. It solved a problem, now look at the results decades later.

**soxmuscle** · 09-27-2010, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

I think you are smarter than that. I could cut off my hand to stop my finger from hurting, and it would solve the problem, but what problems would it cause?

We trained middle eastern countries on how to fight the soviets. It solved a problem, now look at the results decades later.

Obviously, blowing up the middle east is preposterous, unrealistic and everything in between.

I know this, you know this, we all know this.

My rational point still stands; if this is instituted as a means of preventing terrorism, I'm all for it. If it's also going to be utilized to prevent you from getting mushrooms, I think it's a big waste of time, money and energy and a threat to what America was founded upon.

**KelJu** · 09-27-2010, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Obviously, blowing up the middle east is preposterous, unrealistic and everything in between.

I know this, you know this, we all know this.

My rational point still stands; if this is instituted as a means of preventing terrorism, I'm all for it. If it's also going to be utilized to prevent you from getting mushrooms, I think it's a big waste of time, money and energy and a threat to what America was founded upon.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. This situation boils down to a decision between freedom or security. I'll take freedom. I don't believe security exist anyway. People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. Ben Franklin said something to that effect. It is just as true today as it ever has been.

**LAM** · 09-27-2010, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

You can't have your cake and eat it, too. This situation boils down to a decision between freedom or security. I'll take freedom. I don't believe security exist anyway. People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. Ben Franklin said something to that effect. It is just as true today as it ever has been.

safety is an illusion, most people think they are "safe" in their homes when the average front door can be easily kicked in or the house siding penetrated with a simple drywall saw if it's not brick.

I'll take Freedom over the "illusion" of safety any day of the week....

**vortrit** · 09-27-2010, 10:25 PM

I could care less if the government reads every piece of email I've ever wrote and ever will write. I've got nothing to hide, and I don't why people think their so important that it would bother them. Big deal.

**Big Smoothy** · 09-28-2010, 12:08 AM

I wonder what the people who have bumper stickers that say "Freedom is not Free," think.

**ZECH** · 09-28-2010, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

No doubt in my mind that this is true. None the less, is is still part of a plan to invade our personal lives one step at a time. It is like cheating on your wife behind her back repeatedly with no consequences, so you take it a step father and do it right out in the open once you have figured out that she will put up little resistance.

agree

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