Thread: Drugs, Inc.

Originally Posted by SYN

I don't know about you but nobody's ever offered me a line of coke while at a store buying smokes.

considering that cocaine isn't a carcinogen while manufactured tobacco is this argument supports what?

Originally Posted by LAM

considering that cocaine isn't a carcinogen while manufactured tobacco is this argument supports what?

Are you fucking kidding me? Try reading the whole post. Cigarettes aren't even relevant to my statement at all, I was just using them as an example. I could have said candy bar, or nail polish, or milk, it's still the same concept, and it's not that difficult to comprehend.

If people were buying their weed at the local drug, or corner store, they wouldn't be at some drug dealers house being offered something else.

Originally Posted by Marat

Although Harry Anslinger and the FBN were the driving force behind the criminalization of marijuana and Anslinger took full advantage of his relationship with William Randolph Hearst to carry his antimarijuana (and anti-Mexican and anti-African American) sentiments, the quoted statement is incorrect.

As a result of Anslinger's propoganda (check out his Gore Files), many newspapers (not just Hearst's) hopped onto the anti-marijuana bandwagon and began propagating the message themselves.

Reefer Madness was a local, privately commissioned film that spread in popularity -- kind of like a viral video. Reefer Madness had no direct connection to Anslinger, FBN, or the Government as a whole.

Thanks for the clarification Marat. I am insterested in Anslinger, as I've never heard of him until you noted him. FBN?

The FBN was the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Anslinger, Andrew Mellon's relative, was its first commissioner. Similar with the prohibition of many drugs, it was the virulent racism of the nation at the time, led by Anslinger, that resulted in marijuana's criminalization. In marijuana's case, the recent immigration of Mexicans (marijuana was far more common among the Mexican community at that point in time) into the US, as well as the long standing prejudice towards African Americans, was used as the vehicle to create lies about the effects of marijuana and generally create fear and hysteria around the drug.

It's difficult (maybe impossible) to know someone's intent, but it is very likely that Anslinger didn't actually care about marijuana (at the time, plenty of research passed through the office of Anslinger that directly opposed the propaganda), rather, it was simply the insane racism of a single individual that was carried along by the racism and gullibility of the entire Nation at the time.

Also, there is plenty of stuff floating around the Internet about how Hearst's/Anslinger's motives were related to suppressing competition (hemp) for the newly invented Nylon material (created by Du Pont, backed by Mellon's banks) as well as his fear that hemp paper would ruin his timber industry. In short, that's all bullshit -- it's silly, evidence-less conspiracy conjecture that was mainly propagated by Jack Herer. Herer was basically a hero for marijuana, but his opinions on the motives of the main prohibitionists was a bit of a stretch.

Regarding crack, crack didn't come into prominence until about five years after the death of Anslinger. Crack was brought in by the Nicaruguan Contras during the Iran-Contra affair. Richard Gears, you are reasonably correct. There is indisputable evidence (collected by John Kerry) that the CIA was aware of the smuggling of drugs using planes, in some cases owned by Michael Palmer, originally commissioned to send aid to the Contras. Once the drugs entered various ports in the US, guys like Rick Ross (where the rappers Rick Ross and Freeway get there names from) were able to spread it throughout the country.

Originally Posted by maniclion

Wait there is more than one episode of each drug? I saw the marijuana one where they went to dispensaries for medical MJ and then Amsterdam....is there another one?

I was wondering the same. I thought it was just one episode.

all you mother fuckers need jesus.

Originally Posted by Prince

Marijuana is NOT a gateway drug, that is a myth the government and other anti-marijuana groups perpetuated, they did quite well because people still come back with that every time. Just because you drink does not mean you will do any other drugs, and its the same with MJ, obviously there are many that start with MJ and move to harder drugs, but that does not mean they would not have done them if they never smoked MJ. There are tens of thousands of people that smoke MJ every day and do not use ANY other drug, including alcohol.

Stats show most kids are trying MDMA now before they try pot. That would make ecstasy the new "gateway" drug based on how the government try's to define it. If you compare MDMA to THC I'd much rather have my kids sitting around smoking pot than popping pills.

Originally Posted by SYN

I've been smoking pot since I was 14 years old, and I just turned 19. Since then I have met/known quite a few people that do shit like coke and acid and piles of different pills. The worst I've ever done is taken a vicodin for a backache, and most of the people I know who I hang out with and smoke with regularly, don't touch, never have touched, and never will touch anything other than some pot.

It is ignorance like this that makes it so hard for people that aren't hurting anyone, or using it for medicinal purposes to go about their lives.

You make it sound like acid is a bad thing when it's not. Piles of pills aren't necessarily bad either.

Originally Posted by ROID

I was wondering the same. I thought it was just one episode.

nope, there are at least two.

Originally Posted by ROID

all you mother fuckers need jesus.

Hmm....The new Mod Speaks

Originally Posted by LikeARock

You make it sound like acid is a bad thing when it's not. Piles of pills aren't necessarily bad either.

When you know someone that snorts vicodin all day long, and another 6 oxy 30s a piece (at once+more later) and how ever many perk 5s and a few rids a piece, and has a hole in worn through their nasal cartilage, a pile of pills is most certainly not a good thing.

They might be okay to you, but they're something I wouldn't want to put in my body.

Originally Posted by LikeARock

Stats show most kids are trying MDMA now before they try pot. That would make ecstasy the new "gateway" drug based on how the government try's to define it. If you compare MDMA to THC I'd much rather have my kids sitting around smoking pot than popping pills.

As long as they test it real MDMA is not the demon people made that out to be....they were using it as an anti-depressant in the 80's and I feel it has a high medicinal value, my friend took it several times after he got out of the hospital hooked on morphine when he had a compund fracture in his leg with the bone sticking out, he didn't crave opiates after that.... I quit drinking after an MDMA night, I just felt so alive I though I'd give sobriety a chance for a couple years, I still don't drink like I used to....

Originally Posted by SYN

When you know someone that snorts vicodin all day long, and another 6 oxy 30s a piece (at once+more later) and how ever many perk 5s and a few rids a piece, and has a hole in worn through their nasal cartilage, a pile of pills is most certainly not a good thing.

They might be okay to you, but they're something I wouldn't want to put in my body.

Having an addiction to anything is a problem. To say something like doing a hit of acid or taking some oxycodone is bad is ignorant.

Originally Posted by maniclion

As long as they test it real MDMA is not the demon people made that out to be....they were using it as an anti-depressant in the 80's and I feel it has a high medicinal value, my friend took it several times after he got out of the hospital hooked on morphine when he had a compund fracture in his leg with the bone sticking out, he didn't crave opiates after that.... I quit drinking after an MDMA night, I just felt so alive I though I'd give sobriety a chance for a couple years, I still don't drink like I used to....

I'm pretty sure they were using it back in the 70's for depression and other things to. Just because it was used in the past doesnt make it safe now. MDMA is ridiculously bad for your neurons. It right royally fucks up your dendritic branching and a lot of other stuff which is all permanent. The effects are cumlative also. There was a study just published that showed Ketamine might be really good for depression. It takes effect quickly and lasts a long time. It was shown to increase the number or connections between dendrites I believe. We don't have much of an idea of how current anti depressants work and why it takes so long for it to start working.