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    yes they did. even made it interesting in the senate. this is the best thing for our government. now the white house and congress will fight, not accomplish anything, and thereby not be able to interfere in our lives as much as they have previously done. Good to be an American on this day
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    yes they did. even made it interesting in the senate. this is the best thing for our government. now the white house and congress will fight, not accomplish anything, and thereby not be able to interfere in our lives as much as they have previously done. Good to be an American on this day
    I hope nobody was expected a pay raise in the next decade as we hoover around a double-dip recession for a while.

    However, I'm very happy that Nevada stepped up and keep another sociopath out of office. Unfortunately nobody can help the economy in Nevada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    I hope nobody was expected a pay raise in the next decade as we hoover around a double-dip recession for a while.
    I just got a raise
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    awesome, does that mean everything will be back to the greatness we had when the Bush administration was in office?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    awesome, does that mean everything will be back to the greatness we had when the Bush administration was in office?
    so you are a fan of the wonderful CHANGE that obama and the democrats have brought us since the horrible evil Bush left office? yeah, its been utopia since we got obama. the american people have been so happy with the democrats over the last two years (who had an overwhelming majority) that they decided to keep the CHANGE obama promised.
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    Nah, at beast, the Obama admin just won't be able to make things any worse for the time being. Hopefully, they'll be able to repeal most of the healthcare disaster, completely shelve the cap and tax scam, and keep taxes from going up next year. We prolly will have a double dip recession (although I think we've been in a depression for at least two years now), but it would be a lot longer and deeper if more of Obama's agenda were to get rammed thru.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    so you are a fan of the wonderful CHANGE that obama and the democrats have brought us since the horrible evil Bush left office? yeah, its been utopia since we got obama. the american people have been so happy with the democrats over the last two years (who had an overwhelming majority) that they decided to keep the CHANGE obama promised.
    considering that Obama's economic policies have only been in place for a good year what was expected? How exactly does one stop an economic avalanche once it's started? once again the id based society here in the US and the need for instant gratification has screwed itself, people forget so quickly how we got to were we are today. that fucking POS John Boehner talks about reducing the deficient and the size of government, his party grows the size of government and the federal deficit EVERY SINGLE time it occupies the office of POTUS.

    you may want to check the history books if you think that the economic policies of the GOP benefit the middle class because they don't and never have. people don't realize that a stalled economy acts the same as a pay cut, no pay or cost of living increases while the dollar continues to deflate.
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    this is a true sign of how Americans feel towards the current admin.....the gop didn't just barely win the house, they dominated....a sure sign people are fed up with obama's regime and their agenda
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    Meh, it's just a new set of assholes to fock things up even more. That said, I voted for some of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    this is a true sign of how Americans feel towards the current admin.....the gop didn't just barely win the house, they dominated....a sure sign people are fed up with obama's regime and their agenda
    "Obama's regime" ok there Rush...

    those of you that favor the economic policies may want to check and see what their favorite politician really does when not on camera. the site below tells you the legislation that they propose and their voting records.

    http://votesmart.org/site_search.php...FORID%3A11#277
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    Well, let's see what the new crop of folk can do. Personally, I'm not very optimistic considering the future speaker of the house said compromise is not on the horizon, but I anxiously anticipate the cuts to entitlements that have been promised. I hope the shitty healthcare bill gets re-done, but I have a feeling the only way it gets re-done AND funded is if the Bush tax cuts get continued for all, which will essentially drive our dollar further in to the shitter by jacking up our debt. It will certainly be an interesting next couple of years, for our sake I hope most of the rhetoric is just rhetoric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    considering that Obama's economic policies have only been in place for a good year what was expected? How exactly does one stop an economic avalanche once it's started? once again the id based society here in the US and the need for instant gratification has screwed itself, people forget so quickly how we got to were we are today. that fucking POS John Boehner talks about reducing the deficient and the size of government, his party grows the size of government and the federal deficit EVERY SINGLE time it occupies the office of POTUS.

    you may want to check the history books if you think that the economic policies of the GOP benefit the middle class because they don't and never have. people don't realize that a stalled economy acts the same as a pay cut, no pay or cost of living increases while the dollar continues to deflate.
    maybe you missed my original post in this thread were i am happy if the only outcome is that the government is unable to interfere in my life less? if no one can get the ball rolling for their agenda then im happy. I'm not a die hard republican. im a registered independent, but of the two parties I absolutely believe the republicans are the lesser of the two great evil whores of the earth that the two US parties have become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    so you are a fan of the wonderful CHANGE that obama and the democrats have brought us since the horrible evil Bush left office? yeah, its been utopia since we got obama. the american people have been so happy with the democrats over the last two years (who had an overwhelming majority) that they decided to keep the CHANGE obama promised.

    I don't know about Prince, but I am pretty apathetic towards the whole situation. Nothing will change. This is not a situation to be happy over unless you are a partisan republican and your team just made it to the playoffs.

    My hate for republicans dwindled down a little since they have been out of power, and my disgust for democrats has risen while they blundered everything in the last two. I don't care who won, because they were both as refreshing as a spoonful of shit. I didn't even vote. I don't think I will ever vote again or take part in American politics. It's fucking pointless.

    This election season feels like the worst ever and reminds me why I hate people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelju View Post

    this election season feels like the worst ever and reminds me why i hate people.
    lol
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    In 2012 Most of the American public will be complaining, pointing their fingers, and blaming so-and-so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM View Post
    "Obama's regime" ok there Rush...

    those of you that favor the economic policies may want to check and see what their favorite politician really does when not on camera. the site below tells you the legislation that they propose and their voting records.

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    Project Vote Smart - Representative Jason Chaffetz - Voting Record

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    bio-chem,

    Are you a multi-millionaire?

    The reason I ask is because I am curious why you think that the Republican party represents and benefits anyone besides millionaires?

    If I recall Bush passed around 8 tax cuts in his term ALL of which only benefited the very rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    lol
    I'm not kidding. Every campaign ad starts off with that ominous tone:
    "My name is Jim Poopburger and my opponent Bob Fafitnugen claims to embrace family values, but did you know that he rapes babies? Vote against baby raping this November.

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    Nope. You got a tax cut also. So did I. But, obviously it benefits the rich the most since they pay most of the taxes. Most of us little guys don't have a lot in the way of For a tax cut to have any real effect, it has to actually cut something. The bottom half aren't paying taxes as it is. They're the ones receiving the govt handouts.

    If I'm having to pay for someone else's food stamps, then they shouldn't be concerned if I get a little tax relief once in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    bio-chem,

    Are you a multi-millionaire?

    The reason I ask is because I am curious why you think that the Republican party represents and benefits anyone besides millionaires?

    If I recall Bush passed around 8 tax cuts in his term ALL of which only benefited the very rich.
    nope, im not a millionaire.

    care to take a look at the stats of what the disproportionate ratio of taxes paid by the millionaires is? tax cuts to those who make millions benefits all. honestly I think that we need to be giving tax breaks to corporations first, but thats just me.

    the democrats have yet to see a tax they didn't like. I'm for lower taxes all around. and if that means the government can't afford to spend money on different social programs I'm ok with that. I support the social programs i want on my own anyways. money should stay in the pockets of those who make it. millionaire or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    bio-chem,

    Are you a multi-millionaire?

    The reason I ask is because I am curious why you think that the Republican party represents and benefits anyone besides millionaires?

    If I recall Bush passed around 8 tax cuts in his term ALL of which only benefited the very rich.
    a person that knows economics doesn't champion for tax cuts for the rich. the taxes levied on them only effect the returns on their investments those monies have no positive effect on the economy. reducing these taxes only burdens the fed more which causes more money to be printed to make up for the loss of tax revenue which further deflates the dollar. stupid people still selling supply-side economics when no other country in the world does. you will not find a business school anywhere in the world selling that bullshit, not in Japan, UK, Germany, France, India, Canada, no where.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    nope, im not a millionaire.

    care to take a look at the stats of what the disproportionate ratio of taxes paid by the millionaires is? tax cuts to those who make millions benefits all. honestly I think that we need to be giving tax breaks to corporations first, but thats just me.

    the democrats have yet to see a tax they didn't like. I'm for lower taxes all around. and if that means the government can't afford to spend money on different social programs I'm ok with that. I support the social programs i want on my own anyways. money should stay in the pockets of those who make it. millionaire or not.
    okay, but how did the 8 years of Bush benefit you/us?

    he started a war that was a second Vietnam, and gave us a trillion dollar deficit, and we gained absolutely NOTHING from it.

    that trillion dollars could have been spent on SO MANY other things that would of benefit Americans, i.e. health care.

    Just for "major medical" insurance I spend $550/month, the only way I would use it is if if me or my wife hits the $2500 annual deductible, anything else before that is out of pocket...how many Americans have NO health care coverage?

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    Very few have no health coverage available to them. Many choose not to buy it and many who can't afford it already qualify for Medicaid benefits.

    Anyone who thinks the tax cuts had anything to do with devaluing the $ has obviously never taken an economics course. Out of control spending and printing of $ will certainly drive it into the shitter. The returns on investments has a huge impact on the economy. WTF do you think they do with it, just sit around and light their fucking cigars with $100 bills? That money is invested into other companies that have employees, customers, shareholders, retirees living on pensions, etc.

    On the other hand, tax cuts across the board with proportional and permanent spending cuts and shrinking of an bloated govt would be a move in the right direction.

    Last nights election results were certainly a move in the right direction also!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    nope, im not a millionaire.

    care to take a look at the stats of what the disproportionate ratio of taxes paid by the millionaires is? tax cuts to those who make millions benefits all. honestly I think that we need to be giving tax breaks to corporations first, but thats just me.

    the democrats have yet to see a tax they didn't like. I'm for lower taxes all around. and if that means the government can't afford to spend money on different social programs I'm ok with that. I support the social programs i want on my own anyways. money should stay in the pockets of those who make it. millionaire or not.
    Let's say we went with a flat tax and cut all entitlements. Having a 15% flat tax would generate approximately $1.38 trillion. The 2010 military budget is $663.8 Billion, leaving roughly $700 billion to pay for roads, federal buildings, employees in those federal buildings (FBI, CIA, NASA, judges, politicians, EPA, Depts of commerce, interior, state, labor, transportation, homeland security, health and human services, pentagon, etc.) and all of the other infrastructure. So, who picks up the trash, cleans the streets? Oh yeah, that also leaves people with disabilities and those over 65 on the streets, how do you take care of that? A flat tax will never work and is not based in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    The returns on investments has a huge impact on the economy.
    really please show me the raw data on the BEA.gov website that supports those statements?

    U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) - bea.gov Home Page

    in the 2000's middle class spending and consumption drives the US economy now. when the middle class has no money, there is no economy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    Very few have no health coverage available to them. Many choose not to buy it and many who can't afford it already qualify for Medicaid benefits.

    Anyone who thinks the tax cuts had anything to do with devaluing the $ has obviously never taken an economics course. Out of control spending and printing of $ will certainly drive it into the shitter. The returns on investments has a huge impact on the economy. WTF do you think they do with it, just sit around and light their fucking cigars with $100 bills? That money is invested into other companies that have employees, customers, shareholders, retirees living on pensions, etc.

    On the other hand, tax cuts across the board with proportional and permanent spending cuts and shrinking of an bloated govt would be a move in the right direction.

    Last nights election results were certainly a move in the right direction also!
    If that were true we should have just come out of the most prosperous 8 years ever. The Bush tax cuts did nothing to stimulate the economy, they drove our debt up and that's essentially it. There was little to no reutrn on that investment. Rich people don't spend that money, they invest it, in to companies who ship jobs overseas because they are the most profitable.
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    I don't need to look up raw numbers to back the statement up. It's like looking for "raw data" to prove that 1+1+1=3. When investments produce a return, there is then more money to be invested in stocks, bonds, business ventures, etc. IOW, it circulates. Return on an investment simply means good performande, i.e. economic growth. That's why when the DOW is up, we feel good, when it's down we worry. It is a general indicator of overall health of the economy as demonstrated by "returns on investments". This is pretty basic stuff...........




































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