Thread: Top Economcists See.....

The Chinese can produce, but they cannot create. But perhaps, that is...irrelevant. Look at America's self-inflicted woes on so many fronts, and what we are seeing is a paradigm shit.
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Economists foretell of U.S. decline, China's ascension

By Mark Felsenthal

DENVER | Sun Jan 9, 2011 12:32pm EST

DENVER (Reuters) - To hear a number of prominent economists tell it, it doesn't look good for the U.S. economy, not this year, not in 10 years.

Leading thinkers in the dismal science speaking at an annual convention offered varying visions of U.S. economic decline, in the short, medium and long term. This year, the recovery may bog down as government stimulus measures dry up.

In the long run, the United States must face up to inevitably being overtaken by China as the world's largest economy. And it may have missed a chance to rein in its largest financial institutions, many of whom remain too big to fail and are getting bigger.

On the one hand, Harvard's Martin Feldstein said he believes the outlook for U.S. economic growth in 2011 is less sanguine than many believe.

First, the boost to growth from government spending will be drying up this year, he said. Renewal of expiring tax cuts is no more than a decision not to raise taxes, and the impact of one-year payroll tax cut is likely modest, he said.

"There's really not much help coming from fiscal policy in the year ahead," he said. Woes from the dire situations of state and local governments may actually be a drag on growth, he said.

Growth got a lift from a lower saving rate in 2010, but that probably will not last this year as households worried about an uncertain future return to paring back debt and socking more away, Feldstein added. Discouraging declines in home values mean there is less to save from, he said.

"People are worried, so there's a strong reason for precautionary saving," he said.

THE RACE IS ON

On the other hand, there is the race with China and the dynamic Asian economies, including India. Most estimates put the size of the Chinese economy on par with the United States by the early 2020s, said Dale Jorgenson, also of Harvard.

Jorgenson sees Asian emerging markets as the most dynamic in the world, eclipsing other emerging market contenders such as Brazil and Russia with steady growth over the next decade.

"The rise of developing Asia is going to accompany slower world economic growth," he said.

The United States will need to come to terms with the fact that its prevalence in the world is fated to come to an end, Jorgenson said. This will be difficult for many Americans to swallow and the United States should brace for social unrest amid blame over who was responsible for squandering global primacy, he said.

MIT's Simon Johnson put it more bluntly, saying the damage from the financial crisis and its aftermath have dealt U.S. prominence a permanent blow.

"The age of American predominance is over," he told a panel. "The (Chinese) Yuan will be the world's reserve currency within two decades."

Link: Economists foretell of U.S. decline, China's ascension | Reuters

Originally Posted by Prince

the US is so fucked... big corps, corrupt politicians and greed has put this country in a downward spiral that is going to be impossible to get out of unless we completely restructure our federal government.

we have the very wealthy controlling everything, a middle class living on credit and the poor (and migrants) sucking up all of our resources, and unless you're very rich you're just fucked!

that is my cynical $.02 for the day.

oh, and if you disagree with me, just go fuck yourself.

Prince,

You've hit the nail right on the head. The inner systems with taking out the politicians (shoot them if you have to) No honestly, we've got to take this poor and sucking of the mother's tit off it now!

The last part about go "fuck yourself" stands with me as well!