Thread: The One Minute Case Against Socialized Healthcare

that took more than a minute to read......how about i simply don't want anyone who is on welfare for more than 3 years consecutively or any non natural citizen of the USA to get ANY healthcare.....fuck 'em....survival of the fittest!!!

I agree. longer than a minute and im a fast reader. lets just go with the pursuit of happiness is an inalienable right. no one promises actual happiness, or free healthcare. government has no business or responsibility providing healthcare to the populace

Originally Posted by bio-chem

I agree. longer than a minute and im a fast reader. lets just go with the pursuit of happiness is an inalienable right. no one promises actual happiness, or free healthcare. government has no business or responsibility providing healthcare to the populace

Depends on how you view Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution. Some view the wording as explicitly allowing for nationalized healthcare. I'm on the other side of the fence. Any wording that explicitly applies to individuals used the "the people" verbage and didn't represent them as the "United States" as a whole.

You know, I read these stories - but I live in Canada and I've never had to wait very long for health care. I've had at least 5 MRIs in as many years, and my wait was in proportion to my symptoms - when acute and pronounced, I got in the next day. When my symptoms were chronic and manageable, I waited three months. I've been hospitalized for appendicitis, ovarian cysts, kidney stones, and broken bones. I never had to pay a dime out of pocket - or wait to be treated.

I love my country's public health care. I have always known how lucky I am to live here.

There would actually be a point to that if the Obama healthcare bill actually was socialized medicine. Since it isn't...

Originally Posted by Built

You know, I read these stories - but I live in Canada and I've never had to wait very long for health care. I've had at least 5 MRIs in as many years, and my wait was in proportion to my symptoms - when acute and pronounced, I got in the next day. When my symptoms were chronic and manageable, I waited three months. I've been hospitalized for appendicitis, ovarian cysts, kidney stones, and broken bones. I never had to pay a dime out of pocket - or wait to be treated.

I love my country's public health care. I have always known how lucky I am to live here.

you don't wait because you jerked and tan good looking people like us don't wait..true stuff.And i'm not joking ever notic that sales peple or people in general will pass a unjerked (fat person) to help u first..
just saying

When I had my appendix out, I was nine years old.

When I had the ovarian cysts, I was fat.

When I had the bicycle accident, I was still fat.

I've only been lean since 2001. Before that, I was an ordinary, plump jogger.

I really haven't made up my mind about health care.

I do need to purchase health insurance again.

Originally Posted by ROID

I really haven't made up my mind about health care.

I do need to purchase health insurance again.

You won't have any choice soon and you'll pay moar for it.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

You won't have any choice soon and you'll pay moar for it.

And for those of us that are barely every ill, you'll end up paying for someone else. Like the fat ass in the Rep Points! thread.

I would be curious to know the ratio of doctors to non-doctors in the U.S vs Canada.

There's about one doctor for every 500 people in Canada.

In the States, it's about the same - (slightly more, like one for every 460 people in the US).

Originally Posted by ROID

I really haven't made up my mind about health care.

I do need to purchase health insurance again.

And you will get better coverage the way the system is now, TRUST ME. If you know anyone on medicare you will find out how not fun an underfunded "social" medicine program is. There are so many things fucked up with the healthcare bill it makes my head spin.

America is supposed to be a free model of the capitalist society and at every corner we turn this proves near false. For example, the right was pushing for the allowance of interstate healthcare to generate a true market for healthcare. This ROID, is what would provide you with the best coverage as market forces would work and economies of scale would prevail. Also, the idea of in network and out of network would become that much less pronounced as the company in WA state you buy your insurance through will have little bearing on who you see in TX or FL. That is just one facet of it that has to be changed otherwise we are stuck in the same, broken system that the doctors (yes they created this by being greedy for years) and then managed care (thank you Hillary "beotch" Clinton) system created.

Also, if you keep crippling doctors with 30-50% of their revenue going to pay for mal-practice insurance, it discourages new entrants into the profession and will slow progress of riskier, more aggressive treatments. This is where tort reform on a national level has to be implemented so patients are leaving with $50mm dollars when that is far in excess for the loss they suffered (so the lawyer's pocket can be lined further, this drives the damages higher again).

Those are my thoughts, just a lowly 29 year old scared shitless that I am going to be stuck with O'Bamacare because our useless congress won't do what the people want; get rid of the bill and write one that makes sense and doesn't bankrupt the country.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

I agree. longer than a minute and im a fast reader. lets just go with the pursuit of happiness is an inalienable right. no one promises actual happiness, or free healthcare. government has no business or responsibility providing healthcare to the populace

It is a privilege, not a right... people continually forget that like our fearless community organizer.

Originally Posted by Built

You know, I read these stories - but I live in Canada and I've never had to wait very long for health care. I've had at least 5 MRIs in as many years, and my wait was in proportion to my symptoms - when acute and pronounced, I got in the next day. When my symptoms were chronic and manageable, I waited three months. I've been hospitalized for appendicitis, ovarian cysts, kidney stones, and broken bones. I never had to pay a dime out of pocket - or wait to be treated.

I love my country's public health care. I have always known how lucky I am to live here.

Originally Posted by Built

You know, I read these stories - but I live in Canada and I've never had to wait very long for health care. I've had at least 5 MRIs in as many years, and my wait was in proportion to my symptoms - when acute and pronounced, I got in the next day. When my symptoms were chronic and manageable, I waited three months. I've been hospitalized for appendicitis, ovarian cysts, kidney stones, and broken bones. I never had to pay a dime out of pocket - or wait to be treated.

I love my country's public health care. I have always known how lucky I am to live here.

You're like the third Canadian I hear say this, my sisters who live in Rochester would travel to Canada for what I believe was healthcare or medicine...not sure.

It's getting harder and harder to know what's true out there, the only way is through personal experience.

Originally Posted by Built

You know, I read these stories - but I live in Canada and I've never had to wait very long for health care. I've had at least 5 MRIs in as many years, and my wait was in proportion to my symptoms - when acute and pronounced, I got in the next day. When my symptoms were chronic and manageable, I waited three months. I've been hospitalized for appendicitis, ovarian cysts, kidney stones, and broken bones. I never had to pay a dime out of pocket - or wait to be treated.

I love my country's public health care. I have always known how lucky I am to live here.

That sounds good, but then I hear of stuff like the premier of Newfoundland going to Florida for heart surgery and videos like this.



You know what it really comes down to? How well the US government has done with social security, the education system, and the budget.

Thanks, but no thanks, I'll manage my own health care.

Originally Posted by DOMS

That sounds good, but then I hear of stuff like the premier of Newfoundland going to Florida for heart surgery and videos like this.



You know what it really comes down to? How well the US government has done with social security, the education system, and the budget.

Thanks, but no thanks, I'll manage my own health care, thanks.

This will be America, you ever been to the DMV or Post Office?? Yeah, it will make them look like a walk in the park.

Originally Posted by DOMS

There is no right to healthcare

The only way to eradicate Socialist Medical care is to completely wipe out the Medicare system.

Is this going to happen?

Not a chance. Even as Medicare is now, crashing.

If any of you think healthcare is expensive now - just wait until it's "Free."

Vote Libertarian: smaller government and every man/woman takes of his/her own. No effing handouts to single un-wed mothers who have multiple babies with multiple men. You should see the checkout at Stop n Shop. Mom and 3 kids who all appear to have different fathers pays with State Welfare Food Card (paid for by you and me of course) and then pulls out of the parking lot in a Cadillac Escalade.

Originally Posted by BigBird

No effing handouts to single un-wed mothers who have multiple babies with multiple men. You should see the checkout at Stop n Shop. Mom and 3 kids who all appear to have different fathers pays with State Welfare Food Card (paid for by you and me of course) and then pulls out of the parking lot in a Cadillac Escalade.

I've actually seen this, but it was 5 kids by 4 fathers and new Durango.

Originally Posted by BigBird

If any of you think healthcare is expensive now - just wait until it's "Free."

We are there now.

It's called MEDICARE.

Vote Libertarian: smaller government and every man/woman takes of his/her own. No effing handouts to single un-wed mothers who have multiple babies with multiple men. You should see the checkout at Stop n Shop. Mom and 3 kids who all appear to have different fathers pays with State Welfare Food Card (paid for by you and me of course) and then pulls out of the parking lot in a Cadillac Escalade.

Over 51% of the Federal budget spending is spent on Entitlements.

SS, Medicare, etc. (Add the "defense" spending) on top of the 51%.

Libertarian policies will never happen - and I have been voting Libertarian since 1996.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I've actually seen this, but it was 5 kids by 4 fathers and new Durango.

lol..........my old roommate was with a girl that had 4 kids. Every year she would let him claim two of the kids and some other guy claim the other two to get the most money back.

Didn't the tax credit for children go up this year ? I thought I read like 3k per child or something like that.

Originally Posted by ROID

lol..........my old roommate was with a girl that had 4 kids. Every year she would let him claim two of the kids and some other guy claim the other two to get the most money back.

Didn't the tax credit for children go up this year ? I thought I read like 3k per child or something like that.

That shit made me sick. I work my ass off to get what I have. She gets a ton of welfare and doesn't work. Yet she has a large screen LCD TV, a new Durango, etc. I'm sure that some of her money is coming from ex-boyfriends/husbands (one of which is in jail and one unemplyed), but you and I, and otehrs, are paying for a lot of her shit. She on assistance.

Yes, I think it did go up as part of the stimulus package.

Healthcare reform won't work, but is has nothing to do with the gov't. American's are fat, lazy, stupid, and believe they have a right to do whatever they want to their body and pay no consequences. Mother Nature begs to differ.

As for the healthcare repeal...it will never happen. They won't be able to defund it, what you are seeing now is smoke and mirrors. If they try to get rid of the mandate, it will make premiums prohibitively expensive. Besides, the insurance industry would never allow that to happen. The only way to pay for those with pre-existing conditions is to offset the cost with healthy customers, and if the GOP tries to get rid of that part of the law it would be political suicide. I get people don't want to pay, but you're going to pay a little now or a lot later. It's like people with exercise, most don't want to do it, but once they get sick or lose the ability to function, they become motivated and end up paying 10x as much to fix the problem. People say they will do anything to get that perfect body, but 80% quit because they can't control their diet. 10 years down the road they can't walk, have chronic low back pain, are hypertensive, and sick at least once a month. So instead of taking an hour walk every day 10 years ago, they need to spend $10,000 a year on personal training. I know this because 2 years ago my clientel were primarily fat people looking to lose weight, flash forward to today and my business has more than tripled and 90% of my clients are baby boomers who wan to get rid of low back pain, knee pain, lower BP and cholesterol, just get sick less. Honestly, keeping the status quo wrt healthcare is a financial boon to me, but the country will suffer if we don't get our shit together. I support the piece of shit that is Obamacare because the GOP hasn't produced any significantly better alternative. I agree that tort reform and buying across state lines will make it better, but that's not reform, that's 2 small changes that will have an insignificant impact.

I give one example, the VA....we can't even give our troops the best treatment....parts of healthcare reform that deal with insurance companies fucking us in the ass I am for but other parts that could lead to us being in facilities like Walter Reed Bldg 18 scare the piss out of me....

Keep your Bureaucracy out of my healthcare....
"The typical soldier is required to file 22 documents with eight different commands – most of them off-post – to enter and exit the medical processing world, according to government investigators. Sixteen different information systems are used to process the forms, but few of them can communicate with one another. The Army's three personnel databases cannot read each other's files and can't interact with the separate pay system or the medical recordkeeping databases."[6] This complicated system has required some soldiers to prove they were in the Iraq War or the War in Afghanistan in order to obtain medical treatment and benefits because Walter Reed employees are unable to locate their records."

Originally Posted by Built

When I had my appendix out, I was nine years old.

When I had the ovarian cysts, I was fat.

When I had the bicycle accident, I was still fat.

I've only been lean since 2001. Before that, I was an ordinary, plump jogger.

U were young.now if u were old that would make a diff ... just saying

I have to say i live in Canada also and agree with built public health is great, it doesn't matter u got money or not you can see a doctor if u need to see one, you can go to a walk in clinic and a doc will see ya in 20 minutes, last year i was on high dosage of gear and got mad at wife put my fist through the wall and fucked up the ligaments connecting my thumb, went to emergency with no money they put it in a special cast and went back 3 days later for a free surgery...
you cant be selfish bout health you might have money but what about the poor, not every one has money to go see a doctor.
i am sorry but i just cant understand how can someone be against to public health.