Thread: Barrys time is up

I was hoping your post was about a news story covering an assassination.

Originally Posted by DEATH MATCH

And if any of you Liberals out there think he will be re-elected you seriously have a huge disorder. Just the other day Farrakaun said and I quote. Who the hell do you think you are barry obama and thats one of his biggest supporters and Farrakaun is disgusted with barry. Also the rev Wriight is now blasting barry. His middle class is at a all time low since he was elected and his base is leaving him. The usa will not improve much when re-election time is here and you barry lovers better prepare your self for a new Republican President.He so fuk'd up libya and his I dont know what to do speech. The glory day is coming soon when this Idiot will be out of office. Facts dont lie,history doesnt lie. He lied from day 1. He is and will always be a community organizer thats it.

I'm not sure if you're a smart person doing an incredibly good
impersonation of a total moron, or...

But anyway, who gives a fuck about "rev Wriight"? What is his place in all this? Is he a cabinet member? Does he work with the Obama administration??

Yea He fucked up Libya. There was one straight path to fixing that place. And he didn't take it. What a shame.

If people have more than half a brain they won't elect a republican or democrat for president. Either one will be a "more of the same" situation.

He should stick to what he's good at and call it a day. BBall. While I think he is quite charismatic at times, he comes across to me like a car salesman trying to get you to buy a POS junker. He is in way over his head and it shows.

Originally Posted by phosphor

He should stick to what he's good at and call it a day. BBall. While I think he is quite charismatic at times, he comes across to me like a car salesman trying to get you to buy a POS junker. He is in way over his head and it shows.

I lol'd. That was good thanks.

I felt the same way about G Dub and yet enough idiots went and let him continue with his stay the course even if it ain't working....and now Obama it seems is following the same....god damn it we need a fucking genius in the white house no more of these "fly-by-night, talk a good game, ain't got no clue, might as well be hocking up throat cheese and spitting it in our faces, inexperienced youngsters"....I know most everone feels the same....,

But come election time everyone will tuck tail and run for their little left or right corner, shaking fists and pointing fingers at the otherside no matter how great some Independent may be, that Indpndt may lay out a flawless plan to get this nation out of debt in 4 years yet out of the same fears that have crippled us over and over again it'll be tow the party line...or get labeled as being liberal or conservative

And we're all to blame for allowing this, Repub and Democ alike...they are using us on both sides and so are the pundits who sit on their fat asses getting us worked up and playing cheer leader instead of being objective journalists....

Originally Posted by Zaphod

If people have more than half a brain they won't elect a republican or democrat for president. Either one will be a "more of the same" situation.

doesn't matter who is POTUS under the guise of "free trade" economic policies have made multinational corporations more powerful than governments. companies have spent hundreds of millions of dollars over the past 4-5 decades to obtain the power that they have now. we would need term limits on Congress and the repeal of many supreme court decisions which have granted corporations more power and rights than the citizens that live here.

regarding a 3rd Party candidate for POTUS, don't think they have gotten many electoral votes since the late 60's and that was only because of the winner take all clause, etc.

^^^^ If the corporations have more power than governments, as you say, then why do we have the highest corporate taxes in the world. Actually, if they have more power, then why do they even pay taxes. Your over-reaching a bit on the corporate thing. Yes, they have oodles of lobbiests in washington greasing politicians pockets and thats where the buck stops - at the politician. Same goes for unions and they are arguably the most powerful and have had the most whitehouse visits for this administration as far as lobbiests are concerned - by far. They may as well be a branch of the government for as much time they have had whispering into barry's ear.

It is almost impossible to get a true 3rd party in, due to the sentiment that give your vote to one is like throwing it away - I say, at least it's better than not voting at all and it gives us a voice. There def needs to be a true shakeup in washington, one way or another.

Originally Posted by phosphor

^^^^ If the corporations have more power than governments, as you say, then why do we have the highest corporate taxes in the world.

unlike most countries the US tax's profits earned overseas on multi-national corps but those taxes are deferred until those monies reach the US which they never do. so instead company's sell their debt to fund dividend payments because the cost of borrowing is less than the repatriation tax on those monies.

don't forget about the hundreds of billions of dollars that the US doles out in corporate welfare to offset that corporate tax rate. and don't forget the 15% capital gains tax that CEO's have to pay on their pay based on stocks with long vesting periods.

Originally Posted by LAM

unlike most countries the US tax's profits earned overseas on multi-national corps but those taxes are deferred until those monies reach the US which they never do. so instead company's sell their debt to fund dividend payments because the cost of borrowing is less than the repatriation tax on those monies.

don't forget about the hundreds of billions of dollars that the US doles out in corporate welfare to offset that corporate tax rate. and don't forget the 15% capital gains tax that CEO's have to pay on their pay based on stocks with long vesting periods.

Show me the stats on that. You tell us that they shovel hundreds of billions of corporate welfare monies to OFFSET the tax rate. prove that one, bet you can't.

You make it sound like a corporation is getting away with murder and barely paying a dime to boot. Your full of crap. The goverment is sucking the private sector dry and that includes the your evil corporations.

many also assume that a lot of highly profitable company's employee a lot of people so they "need" that corporate welfare well or tax break, etc. that couldn't be any further from the truth.

Top Companies - Tracked.com

Originally Posted by phosphor

Show me the stats on that. You tell us that they shovel hundreds of billions of corporate welfare monies to OFFSET the tax rate. prove that one, bet you can't.

You make it sound like a corporation is getting away with murder and barely paying a dime to boot. Your full of crap. The goverment is sucking the private sector dry and that includes the your evil corporations.

use your head why else would they do it? what is the logical explanation for it?

doesn't look like any of the company's below are being sucked dry by the US government...

Companies With the Highest Revenue - Tracked.com

High & Low Finance
Tax Break for Profits Went Awry
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/bu.../05norris.html

To quote the OP - "even the African-Americans are leaving Barry"

LAM and Zaphod made valid points, which have no place in this inbred douchebag's retarded ass thread.

He probably wishes he could re-elect ol George.

And to quote Mayer Amschel Rothschild - "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."

It's gonna be more of the same regardless of who's in office because the international bankers have us by the balls.

Originally Posted by Diesel618

To quote the OP - "even the African-Americans are leaving Barry"

LAM and Zaphod made valid points, which have no place in this inbred douchebag's retarded ass thread.

He probably wishes he could re-elect ol George.

coming from a weak minded Liberal like yourself if you had any clue about politics you would know that GB has a higher approval rating now then this idiot barrys does and he's been out of office now 2 years.Your about as dumb as a box of rocks it would be to easy to school you and make you look stupid about politics so you should go hide your head in your hero barry or is it Nate Dogg

how many jobs bills has the GOP introduced since taking control of Congress almost 3 months ago? isn't that what Boner raived about before the last election? i'm sure he can spell job.

here is an excerpt from the web page link below:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/bu...JhqvTY3isaKunA

"“This plan will reduce the ability of U.S. companies to compete in foreign markets, which will not only reduce jobs, but will also cripple economic growth here in the United States. It couldn’t come at a worse time,” said John J. Castellani, president of the Business Roundtable, a trade group of large companies. This week Steven A. Ballmer, the chief executive of Microsoft, said his company would move jobs overseas if the Obama proposals were enacted."

Below is a link to the Business Roundtable website and look at the Executive Committee
http://businessroundtable.org/about-...ive-committee/

Now look at the profits of the company's these people are in charge of
http://www.tracked.com/list/top_companies_by_revenue

* none of their arguments regarding economic policy ever make any sense and are never supported by any data, only an "ideology" not based on reality.

Originally Posted by LAM

High & Low Finance
Tax Break for Profits Went Awry
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/bu.../05norris.html

Are you frickin kidding me? The links prior to the one you sent me above don't prove anything from what I am seeing. At all. Shows loss and profit, nothing about your claimed WELFARE bullshit.

From the link above, here is a quote:
“Dell was a great example,” she added, referring to Dell Computer. “They lobbied very hard for the tax holiday. They said part of the money would be brought back to build a new plant in Winston-Salem, N.C. They did bring back $4 billion, and spent $100 million on the plant, which they admitted would have been built anyway. About two months after that, they used $2 billion for a share buyback.”

Well, no shit. If they have lobbyiests in washington wanting tax breaks while dangling a carrot, it's up to the sleazy politicians to acquiesce or tell them to fuck off. Not only that, Dell wasn't doing so hot around that time from my understanding and they were trying to cut costs any way they could and greasing sleazebags is the easiest route. Also, they could have built the plant outside the US (as usual), but instead built it here, created jobs and paying taxes on it regardless of how you look at it. These are individual 'sweetheart' deals - and why not? Our government has the biggest sweetheart deal of all! Take, take, take and waste 2/3's of it on bridges to nowhere (example of idiocy only). It's up to the politicians to know enough about the system and the numbers crunching to see if a company is going to make out like a bitch on prom night.

Your better off not deluging us with links that mean nothing or are counter productive to your claims. You may as well send links of charlie sheen videos - at least that is entertaining and prolly more thought provoking.

Originally Posted by LAM

how many jobs bills has the GOP introduced since taking control of Congress almost 3 months ago? isn't that what Boner raived about before the last election? i'm sure he can spell job.

here is an excerpt from the web page link below:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/bu...JhqvTY3isaKunA

"“This plan will reduce the ability of U.S. companies to compete in foreign markets, which will not only reduce jobs, but will also cripple economic growth here in the United States. It couldn’t come at a worse time,” said John J. Castellani, president of the Business Roundtable, a trade group of large companies. This week Steven A. Ballmer, the chief executive of Microsoft, said his company would move jobs overseas if the Obama proposals were enacted."

Below is a link to the Business Roundtable website and look at the Executive Committee
Executive Committee | Business Roundtable

Now look at the profits of the company's these people are in charge of
Companies With the Highest Revenue - Tracked.com

* none of their arguments regarding economic policy ever make any sense and are never supported by any data, only an "ideology" not based on reality.

No, actually their first order of business was to push back on the Obama care - in which is now being battled in courts. When jobs are on the decline if there is a conservative president, it's his fault. If jobs are on the decline when there is a democratic president, it's the conservative house majorities fault. Nice revisionist history, but let's look at Obama's plan (that he had over 2 years, not 3 months) to create jobs. Oh yeah, it's to create more socialized programs in the trillions that trickle out government jobs that suck more out of the countries coffers. He has done virtually nothing for the private sector, which is the overwhelming source for capital generation and job creation. I won't even bother with your links anymore unless they are Charlie Sheen related now. WINNING!

Originally Posted by phosphor

Show me the stats on that. You tell us that they shovel hundreds of billions of corporate welfare monies to OFFSET the tax rate. prove that one, bet you can't.

You make it sound like a corporation is getting away with murder and barely paying a dime to boot. Your full of crap. The goverment is sucking the private sector dry and that includes the your evil corporations.

How do you not know this stuff, I was fairly certain it was established fact? For 1, even though are corporate tax is pretty high, very few companies pay anywhere near what they are supposed to. That's why none of them want a structured low tax rate with no loopholes, they would effectively pay more. Second, you seem like a pretty smart guy. but the reason companies are overseas has some to do with the tax rate, but much more with the cost of man-hours. The US corporate tax rate would need to be damn near negative to compete with countries who allow corporation to pay $10 a day to employees with no medical or retirement benefits. You are looking at paying someone $2500 a year versus $70k when all is said and done. With 5000 employees you are looking at saving $335 million.

Here is an article from Forbes discussing

Our first mulatto president is an epic fail.

Originally Posted by phosphor

No, actually their first order of business was to push back on the Obama care - in which is now being battled in courts.

obamacare..that pretty much explains your grasp of reality and economics in this country. health care insurers PACs are the biggest campaign supporters of the GOP and can you blame them look how hard they fight for them. United Health is the 15th most profitable company in the US thanks to the GOP.

rising health care costs are one of the biggest problems with the budget deficit

Originally Posted by LAM

obamacare..that pretty much explains your grasp of reality and economics in this country. health care insurers PACs are the biggest campaign supporters of the GOP and can you blame them look how hard they fight for them. United Health is the 15th most profitable company in the US thanks to the GOP.

rising health care costs are one of the biggest problems with the budget deficit

Why does a private sector costs drive up the deficit?? Because we are paying for welfare bullshit. Thats why.

Obama says obamacare will save the country billions and it was proven they were double-dipping the numbers. Lying through his teeth. SOCIALIZED medicine costs everyone more through higher taxes because were supporting deadbeats - that the government is quite fond of doing now. The republicans moved towards battling obamacare first because it is a hot-button issue and there was a huge pushback from the population - thats why the the republicans took back the house, as your so fond of pointing out.

My grasp is quite firm on whats going on and I don't need to play shell games to make a point.

Bottom line Barry care is a failure and his policies and barry care will get the boot and we will start over with it. You know just yesterday Ralph Nader had a good point he said barry should be Impeached. Theres still time left

Originally Posted by DEATH MATCH

coming from a weak minded Liberal like yourself if you had any clue about politics you would know that GB has a higher approval rating now then this idiot barrys does and he's been out of office now 2 years.Your about as dumb as a box of rocks it would be to easy to school you and make you look stupid about politics so you should go hide your head in your hero barry or is it Nate Dogg

God damn, you're a fucking idiot. Approval rating??
The fuck does that matter?

The people filling out those poles are morons like you, who only have
zeal, but no information.

In other words, it's a classic case of the blind leading the blind.

Originally Posted by DEATH MATCH

And if any of you Liberals

Bet you like obama now.

lol this dude called me a liberal. The only presidential candidate I've ever been excited about is Ron Paul. But please...school me on politics. I would love a chance to pick your peabrain.

Originally Posted by Diesel618

lol this dude called me a liberal. The only presidential candidate I've ever been excited about is Ron Paul. But please...school me on politics. I would love a chance to pick your peabrain.

Join the non liberal liberal club.