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    Are steroids "as American as apple pie"?


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    yes......but more important is "winning"
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    yes......but more important is "winning"
    Do you believe athletes can use steroids and not be "cheaters"

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    Can HRT ever be considered a legit medical treatment for older athletes in the major sporting leages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by buff1 View Post
    Do you believe athletes can use steroids and not be "cheaters"
    absolutely....i thin the cheaters are the athlete who DON'T use and then bitch about it.....they're cheating science and the fans of maximum performance and money as a result......it's kinda like saying women who get an epidural during childbirth are cheaters vs those who have natural childbirth.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    absolutely....i thin the cheaters are the athlete who DON'T use and then bitch about it.....they're cheating science and the fans of maximum performance and money as a result......it's kinda like saying women who get an epidural during childbirth are cheaters vs those who have natural childbirth.....
    your suggesting that athlete's who do not use all that is available to them in the realm of science and training are the one's cheating the fans and team owners? Cant say I totally disagree, valid point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by buff1 View Post
    your suggesting that athlete's who do not use all that is available to them in the realm of science and training are the one's cheating the fans and team owners? Cant say I totally disagree, valid point!

    Any one else have opinion?
    the difference in arguments between users and non-users is legal vs nonlegal or being able to hide what you're using.....there are no other differences.....i know many "natural" bodybuilders that use so much test, gh, slin, etc that i can't compare......they're mentality is that since the body produces those, then they're not "cheating".....this helps them pass the lie detector tests too....because they've conditioned they're thinking
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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    the difference in arguments between users and non-users is legal vs nonlegal or being able to hide what you're using.....there are no other differences.....i know many "natural" bodybuilders that use so much test, gh, slin, etc that i can't compare......they're mentality is that since the body produces those, then they're not "cheating".....this helps them pass the lie detector tests too....because they've conditioned they're thinking
    The question of what defines legal has always been of interest to me? For example; If an athlete or any individual were to ingest coffee or any caffeine product before a work out or competition, they by definition would be ingesting a non naturally occurring chemical to improve performance. Are they then considered to be "unnatural"? Caffeine is socially accepted while other natural chemicals are not, therefore deemed illegal.

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