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Then have your folks on the right come up with a better plan...for profit health-care costs are bankrupting US families. what happens when you add this to stagnant wages and increasing costs for housing and energy?

Illness And Injury As
Contributors To Bankruptcy

here is the PDF as well...
http://content.healthaffairs.org/con...w5.63.full.pdf

Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com

Originally Posted by LAM

Then have your folks on the right come up with a better plan...for profit health-care costs are bankrupting US families. what happens when you add this to stagnant wages and increasing costs for housing and energy?

Illness And Injury As
Contributors To Bankruptcy

here is the PDF as well...
http://content.healthaffairs.org/con...w5.63.full.pdf

How about any plan that does not use the government.

Sure, the existing system needs some work, but the government plan is an abominatation. 100's of companies and unions already have been given opt out's from his administration of the plan. Not a very good sign indeed.

Energy costs? Obamas plan for cap n' trade is a joke. Think energy costs are high now? look out.

So, because of your link for the medical bills leading to bankruptcies, that means the solution is government healthcare. lol

Originally Posted by phosphor

So, because of your link for the medical bills leading to bankruptcies, that means the solution is government healthcare. lol

I posted a link, I never stated government healthcare is the solution, I stated the right needs to come up with a better solution if that one doesn't suit them...

please tell....through what measure of magic does a person that does not earn a profit on their wages afford health-care coverage?

Originally Posted by LAM

I posted a link, I never stated government healthcare is the solution, I stated the right needs to come up with a better solution if that one doesn't suit them...

please tell....through what measure of magic does a person that does not earn a profit on their wages afford health-care coverage?

There are many things that need to take place to prevent the exceptional costs of healthcare. Two that will make the biggest difference are removing state boundaries so companies can offer to anyone in the country, giving them economies of scale they currently do not have. There is no argument to this, it is a fact and a has been clearly stated as a cost driver by all parties involved. Two, tort reform to limit the costs of medical malpractice. Things happen, its tragic but do you need to be awarded $30 million, uh no. Put a cap on all cases, this lowers the cost of the insurance doctors have to have and lowers the premiums insurance companies will charge, lowering the overall cost of healthcare. Again, these are facts and have been recommended by many yet no one will implement them.

Originally Posted by LAM

I posted a link, I never stated government healthcare is the solution, I stated the right needs to come up with a better solution if that one doesn't suit them...

please tell....through what measure of magic does a person that does not earn a profit on their wages afford health-care coverage?

Maybe i assumed incorrectly from your link - based on the prior comment you had, I assumed you thought that was the solution. I am sure their solution will come down the pipe soon enough for critics to pounce upon - saying they eat babies and want the old to die. In the meantime, it's the budget - if you want to call it that.

I do not get the last question "that does not earn a profit on their wages". Where it stands now, my deadbeat ex wife is low income (she isn't, but lies - besides the point) can get free health care year after year after year after year aft... Seems to me many people are already getting all the amenities of private healthcare with 100% payed through our tax dollars.

Originally Posted by LAM

Then have your folks on the right come up with a better plan...

Republicans submitted at least three different plans as this crap was being rammed down our throats. They were told "Elections have consequences. And in case there's any doubt, I won."

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Republicans submitted at least three different plans as this crap was being rammed down our throats. They were told "Elections have consequences. And in case there's any doubt, I won."

I haven't seen anything in the news or at the House. is this some form of the revised The Patients' Choice Act of 2009?

post some links because I really haven't heard of anything since 2009 coming out of the GOP on this topic...

Originally Posted by oufinny

Again, these are facts and have been recommended by many yet no one will implement them.

kind of like letting in more foreign doctors would decrease health-care costs by about 50%. US doctors on average earn 2.5-3x more than non-US doctors..but because of the "free markets" this is not allowed

Of course if the US didnt get involved in multiple wars in the mid-east,,,health care would have been funded easily.

Originally Posted by LAM

I haven't seen anything in the news or at the House. is this some form of the revised The Patients' Choice Act of 2009?

post some links because I really haven't heard of anything since 2009 coming out of the GOP on this topic...

I was referring to 2009. They had THREE plans that were, and still are, better than the current piece of crap.

Republicans Have Offered Three Alternative Health Care Reform Bills | CNSnews.com

Originally Posted by 99raptor

Of course if the US didnt get involved in multiple wars in the mid-east,,,health care would have been funded easily.

Funded as in paid for? I am not sure. If you mean this, you are sorely mistaken I believe.

Cost of War to the United States | COSTOFWAR.COM

The total here would only be a down payment. Besides, peacenik, you really think if there were no wars for the last 15 years that the government would have saved their pennies just for this wonderful pile of dogshit nicknamed Obamacare?

I think not.

Only the Healthcare Freedom Act was available for viewing. About 25% of it had to do with altering the tax code with a wide array of tax credits and their limits. The bulk had to do with lawsuits against providers and insurers. Limiting how much you can receive in a lawsuit. A small part also dealth with the "findings" of congress and how neat it would be for insurers to offer coverage across state lines. The last three pages said that insurers couldn't drop your coverage or increase your premium unless they really wanted to.

Originally Posted by 99raptor

Of course if the US didnt get involved in multiple wars in the mid-east,,,health care would have been funded easily.

giving tax payer monies to cover the loses of for profit markets and banks that suck at their jobs is good, helping American citizens to afford health-care after being forced to consume chemically laden foods is bad.