Thread: Disgruntled Foreign Factory Workers.....In the US

Originally Posted by DOMS

How is the red text disconnected from the green?

"Oh, the median wage stagnated, but that has nothing to do with the entire economy stagnating."

That's like saying that having to wear larger size pants has nothing to do with getting fat.

I don't know what you are talking about. You said the recession may be to blame for stagnating wages.

I said wages had already stagnated before the recession hit. Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by KelJu

I don't know what you are talking about. You said the recession may be to blame for stagnating wages.

I said wages had already stagnated before the recession hit. Am I missing something?

Yes, the inability to assimilate bullshit political ideology as fact without the presence of facts. It's a condition known as rational thought, and few have it, you should consider yourself lucky to possess it.

Originally Posted by LAM

last time I checked the IRS collects tax receipts not the POTUS been this way since the late 1800's

Yes, Lincoln created the IRS during the Civil War.....

potus wouldn't understand anyway.....but actually.....who does?

Originally Posted by KelJu

I don't know what you are talking about. You said the recession may be to blame for stagnating wages.

I said wages had already stagnated before the recession hit. Am I missing something?

You referenced the years 2000-2008. The recession hit in 2000. If you're talking about something happening before a certain period, you just may want to mention that period.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Yes, the inability to assimilate bullshit political ideology as fact without the presence of facts. It's a condition known as rational thought, and few have it, you should consider yourself lucky to possess it.

Right, because I don't buy into your line of thinking, I must be following some bullshit ideology.

Never mind that I generally denounce both parties and corporate America. But that's not enough. Apparently I also need to say that a recession has no effect on stagnating wages. Which is something only a dumb fuck would say.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Right, because I don't buy into your line of thinking, I must be following some bullshit ideology.

Never mind that I generally denounce both parties and corporate America. But that's not enough. Apparently I also need to say that a recession has no effect on stagnating wages. Which is something only a dumb fuck would say.

No, the fact that no one on your side of the argument can provide numbers or evidence that support your cause makes it bullshit ideology, which side you are on is irrelevan. I agree with you that the recession would have something to do with it, I disagree that it is a big factor. 10 years of large tax cuts to the wealthy and unemployment is sky high and wages are stagnant, where did all of that money go that they are no longer paying in taxes? You would expect either wages to increase or more jobs to be created if they were investing it. $1.7 trillion is a lot of money, and the tax cuts were sold to improve the economy, which they didn't. Since neither has happened it only suggests they are keeping that money, and not investing it like they said they would. Not saying that every rich person is sitting under a mattress stuffed with money, just that this is the general trend.

By the way, where the hell is bio-chem these days?

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

No, the fact that no one on your side of the argument can provide numbers or evidence that support your cause makes it bullshit ideology, which side you are on is irrelevan. I agree with you that the recession would have something to do with it, I disagree that it is a big factor. 10 years of large tax cuts to the wealthy and unemployment is sky high and wages are stagnant, where did all of that money go that they are no longer paying in taxes? You would expect either wages to increase or more jobs to be created if they were investing it. $1.7 trillion is a lot of money, and the tax cuts were sold to improve the economy, which they didn't. Since neither has happened it only suggests they are keeping that money, and not investing it like they said they would. Not saying that every rich person is sitting under a mattress stuffed with money, just that this is the general trend.

By the way, where the hell is bio-chem these days?

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

No, the fact that no one on your side of the argument can provide numbers or evidence that support your cause makes it bullshit ideology, which side you are on is irrelevan. I agree with you that the recession would have something to do with it, I disagree that it is a big factor. 10 years of large tax cuts to the wealthy and unemployment is sky high and wages are stagnant, where did all of that money go that they are no longer paying in taxes? You would expect either wages to increase or more jobs to be created if they were investing it. $1.7 trillion is a lot of money, and the tax cuts were sold to improve the economy, which they didn't. Since neither has happened it only suggests they are keeping that money, and not investing it like they said they would. Not saying that every rich person is sitting under a mattress stuffed with money, just that this is the general trend.

First off, there's been a misunderstanding. I am 100% against tax cuts for anyone; poor or rich. The only way out of the current fiscal hole is to raise taxes and cut spending.

My beef with LAM is that in his mind, it's only the Republicans that caused any problems, when in fact it's both sides that played a part. He's just not going to admit that. Hell, he pulled the race card for Obama.

As for the average wage of the middle class, it has gone up in absolute numbers until the current recession, where it went more or less sideways for all groups. I do agree that buying power has dropped for decades. Especially since 2000. But that's to be expected as the US goes further into debt.

My other point is that being rich doesn't equate to being evil as LAM and Manic seem to be implying. Just look how rabid Manic was about the chart that I posted. Never mind that the top group of people in that chart were making $200,000. You know, people not in the top 3% who are influencing Washington. The people that even I tend not to like.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

By the way, where the hell is bio-chem these days?

He has a pretty demanding job. So that may be it.

Originally Posted by DOMS

First off, there's been a misunderstanding. I am 100% against tax cuts for anyone; poor or rich. The only way out of the current fiscal hole is to raise taxes and cut spending.

My beef with LAM is that in his mind, it's only the Republicans that caused any problems, when in fact it's both sides that played a part. He's just not going to admit that. Hell, he pulled the race card for Obama.

As for the average wage of the middle class, it has gone up in absolute numbers until the current recession, where it went more or less sideways for all groups. I do agree that buying power has dropped for decades. Especially since 2000. But that's to be expected as the US goes further into debt.

My other point is that being rich doesn't equate to being evil as LAM and Manic seem to be implying. Just look how rabid Manic was about the chart that I posted. Never mind that the top group of people in that chart were making $200,000. You know, people not in the top 3% who are influencing Washington. The people that even I tend not to like.



He has a pretty demanding job. So that may be it.

Wow, I definitely misunderstood you then. I never got that vibe from them, but I cold see how one could. Ideologically we may be more similar than I had realized.

But back to topic, Lets give the multi millonaires 12 millon dollars to come and build a factory that keeps our nieghbors at just above poverty levels.

Union-YES

Originally Posted by LAM

social security is funded until 2042 more lies by the far right...

medicare and medicaid expose the problems with for profit health care, unnecessary procedures, paper records and administrative costs collecting money. the gov also regulates how many foreign doctors can come work in the US this keeps Dr pay high 2-3x higher than the world average and those costs are passed onto policy holders. lol @ the free markets

Must be nice believing the lies told by Harry Reid and his pals. Funded, maybe, sustainable path for social security, absolutely not. I am pretty sure you are just so cynical that the only place you would be happy is some country in Scandanavia where they tax you at 55-60% and near everything is given to you by the government (it isn't a free market there either is it?).

Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

Well I'm "the boss" as well and here's what I've spent in the last couple of months:

$5000 for a 11KVA electrical conditioner for the pc's and servers
$1000 to install the electrical conditioner
$15,000 to move a 400 amp power meter from one side of a warehouse to the other side
$2700 for upper and lower cabinets and counter top in the break room
$7000 down payment on $20,000 filling machine that will make my employee's lives easier. Balance due at completion in about a month.

Like your boss I'm about to build another warehouse and while I'm waiting on estimates to come back, I figure $35,000 in concrete and $60,000 in the basic warehouse. It will need $6000 in heat and A/C and probably $2000 in basic wiring and basic lighting.

Oh yeah, through some bull shit calculator the IRS said my S corporation made x in profit last year, so by their math I had to send Obama $63,000 and the state $11,000 last week. That comes out of my taxed income, not the corp check book. This is the reason why I'm buying everything I can afford this year.

In the meantime when the company does well, my employees do well. The smallest quarterly bonus I gave out last quarter was $1000 to a guy who makes $14/hr.

So yes I'm the boss, and I must be a bad guy.

You hiring, I like what I hear! And damn, even your accountant couldn't diminish that tax burden some? This is what "the right" as LAM like to call us are referring to, does this company need to pay an additional $74K in taxes and does that help with growth and investment, NO! To all you out there who think our corporate tax rate should stay, read this before you open your uneducated mouths.

Originally Posted by oufinny

Must be nice believing the lies told by Harry Reid and his pals. Funded, maybe, sustainable path for social security, absolutely not. I am pretty sure you are just so cynical that the only place you would be happy is some country in Scandanavia where they tax you at 55-60% and near everything is given to you by the government (it isn't a free market there either is it?).

I analyze empirical data, numbers don't lie. it's what billion dollar company's used to pay me hundreds of dollars and hour to do for them....I hear what all politicians say but I don't listen to them. economic and world history has provided enough information.

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Originally Posted by Big Pimpin

Well I'm "the boss" as well and here's what I've spent in the last couple of months:

$5000 for a 11KVA electrical conditioner for the pc's and servers
$1000 to install the electrical conditioner
$15,000 to move a 400 amp power meter from one side of a warehouse to the other side
$2700 for upper and lower cabinets and counter top in the break room
$7000 down payment on $20,000 filling machine that will make my employee's lives easier. Balance due at completion in about a month.

Like your boss I'm about to build another warehouse and while I'm waiting on estimates to come back, I figure $35,000 in concrete and $60,000 in the basic warehouse. It will need $6000 in heat and A/C and probably $2000 in basic wiring and basic lighting.

Oh yeah, through some bull shit calculator the IRS said my S corporation made x in profit last year, so by their math I had to send Obama $63,000 and the state $11,000 last week. That comes out of my taxed income, not the corp check book. This is the reason why I'm buying everything I can afford this year.

In the meantime when the company does well, my employees do well. The smallest quarterly bonus I gave out last quarter was $1000 to a guy who makes $14/hr.

So yes I'm the boss, and I must be a bad guy.

I work in Alternative Energy, our industry has quadrupled in demand since I started 8 years ago, I have barely seen over 1.50 raise in the past 4 years, my manager, a Guru of PV knowledge was denied a pay raise, no one could do his job as well, they'd have a hard time finding a replacement for me, most of the installers around here rely on us to answer their tough problems....we live in Hawaii where cost of living is high...our boss is a notorious cheap skate.... I have had other bosses just as bad, fucking misers...

Originally Posted by maniclion

I work in Alternative Energy, our industry has quadrupled in demand since I started 8 years ago, I have barely seen over 1.50 raise in the past 4 years, my manager, a Guru of PV knowledge was denied a pay raise, no one could do his job as well, they'd have a hard time finding a replacement for me, most of the installers around here rely on us to answer their tough problems....we live in Hawaii where cost of living is high...our boss is a notorious cheap skate.... I have had other bosses just as bad, fucking misers...

Steal thier stuff a little at a time.