Thread: Disgruntled Foreign Factory Workers.....In the US

Solution: Don't work there. If they have enough turnover and word gets out that the conditions blow, they'll have to make changes.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Solution: Don't work there. If they have enough turnover and word gets out that the conditions blow, they'll have to make changes.

Because there are to tons of jobs available right now, moron.

A better solution would be to report them (as it appears someone already has) and the let the law fix it.

IKEA - the largest user of particle board in the world.

True story.

I remember when I was a young lad, my dad would travel all around the country to jobs while in the sheet metal union. Mandatory overtime while being away from the fam. He would live in his van half the time and eat peanutbutter sandwiches just so he could send the rest back home to my mom. Never heard him complain once. Different generation. Retired and four years later, died from cancer related to asbestos from various jobs over the years.

I did the same up until a few years ago, minus the peanutbutter sandwiches, but worked 105hr work weeks sometimes.

I never understood when someone trying to make their families lives better is penalized by being thown in the highest tax bracket. Defeats the purpose of working harder/more.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Solution: Don't work there. If they have enough turnover and word gets out that the conditions blow, they'll have to make changes.

Your solution to a company violating labor laws is to not work there? You are a douchbag of epic proportions.

Originally Posted by phosphor

I remember when I was a young lad, my dad would travel all around the country to jobs while in the sheet metal union. Mandatory overtime while being away from the fam. He would live in his van half the time and eat peanutbutter sandwiches just so he could send the rest back home to my mom. Never heard him complain once. Different generation. Retired and four years later, died from cancer related to asbestos from various jobs over the years.

I did the same up until a few years ago, minus the peanutbutter sandwiches, but worked 105hr work weeks sometimes.

I never understood when someone trying to make their families lives better is penalized by being thown in the highest tax bracket. Defeats the purpose of working harder/more.

Which is why the hardest/laborious/tedious jobs should pay the most.
White collar, easy, pushing paper, kickin' your feet up, should pay the least.

As for the bigger picture,

I think this is another example of where the US and rest of the world has intentionally led us:

in debt
working in low paying jobs with no benefits
no alternative

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

Which is why the hardest/laborious/tedious jobs should pay the most.
White collar, easy, pushing paper, kickin' your feet up, should pay the least.

Originally Posted by phosphor

I remember when I was a young lad, my dad would travel all around the country to jobs while in the sheet metal union. Mandatory overtime while being away from the fam. He would live in his van half the time and eat peanutbutter sandwiches just so he could send the rest back home to my mom. Never heard him complain once. Different generation. Retired and four years later, died from cancer related to asbestos from various jobs over the years.

I did the same up until a few years ago, minus the peanutbutter sandwiches, but worked 105hr work weeks sometimes.

I never understood when someone trying to make their families lives better is penalized by being thown in the highest tax bracket. Defeats the purpose of working harder/more.

What I can't comprehend is why some people get so upset when someone in a blue collar job makes into six figures a year. To get that kind of income that guy had to work seven days a week, 8 to 12 hours a day for most of the year. Practically living at work. That guy should have his income limited because he works with his hands?

there are laws in place to protect against basic workers rights....which is why unions are irrelevant anymore and collective bargaining needs to go away

There are laws. Whether or not they get enforced is another matter.

Originally Posted by irish_2003

there are laws in place to protect against basic workers rights....which is why unions are irrelevant anymore and collective bargaining needs to go away

So you think this company don't need a union or collective bargaining? Its exactly what they need. ( in this case)

Originally Posted by REDDOG309

So you think this company don't need a union or collective bargaining? Its exactly what they need. ( in this case)

No, they don't. This same sort of thing happened to Wal-mart. The employees took them to court, won, and now the working conditions are in line with the laws. No union needed.

Originally Posted by Zaphod

There are laws. Whether or not they get enforced is another matter.

This is the big issue and because of lobbyists rarely do cases get to court. Ikea should be chastised to no end for this, fucking unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Because there are to tons of jobs available right now, moron.

So what's your solution? Should the federal govt just waive a magic wand and create more jobs?.......moron That type of management style may work in China, but it isn't sustainable in this country. Employee turnover will cost them a lot of money in the long run and they will have to improve working conditions if they are to stay afloat.

Originally Posted by irish_2003

there are laws in place to protect against basic workers rights....which is why unions are irrelevant anymore and collective bargaining needs to go away

after that then repeal the federal wage that way employers will be able to pay people as little as possible and let the good times roll, bring on modern day serfdom to the US....

conservative vodoo economics is exactly what fucked up the country, Census data showed the middle class closing the gap on the wealthy for the 13 years prior to reagan and it's been all down hill while the cost of everything else increases...Reagan's union busting days took the power from the people to negotiate there labor wages, etc. and wages have been stagnant in most markets since....just like the entire decade in the 80's when there were no minimum wage increases.

low and stagnant wages was one of the main causes of the credit bubble which was a major contributor to the housing housing crisis. when interests rates increased it was pretty much a wrap for those with no real cash reserves in the bank which is about 65% of the middle class. shit as of 2010 45-50% of all baby boomers had $0 allotted for their retirement. so maybe 1-2 months of cash reserves on hand maximum...most don't even have that

the middle class "used" to hold a majority of there wealth in their homes, but those days are long gone. it's going to get really bad for many after this next stock crash when home values and 401K plummet again.

thank god Bush passed that wonderful Act in 2005 which gave more power to banks. below are just some of the things put in to "help" the middle class. there will be many upcoming bankruptcy's in the future once wall street takes a dump.

"Your income must be below the median income for families the size of yours in your state or you'll be required to go through a bankruptcy means test to see if you qualify for debt forgiveness (Chapter 7). If the court believes that you have $100 or more per month in disposable income that you could apply towards your debt repayment after allowances for child support, food, housing,and related expenses, you'll be pushed into a repayment plan under Chapter 13, which requires repayment of some debts, instead of qualifying for Chapter 7, where most debts are forgiven.

There's also less flexibility in determining what's reasonable for housing and food allowances. IRS guidelines will be used, which are approximately $200 a month for food and less than $800 a month for housing and utilities. Active duty military, low-income veterans, and people with serious medical conditions can receive special treatment under the new income test."

Originally Posted by DOMS

No, they don't. This same sort of thing happened to Wal-mart. The employees took them to court, won, and now the working conditions are in line with the laws. No union needed.

I'm sorry, you are correct. The four Walton children are like 6,7,8,and 9 on the richest people of america and they pay thier workers $6.40 an hour when the union workers at giant and shop rite are making 16 an hour for doing the same job. Yep thier right in line.

Originally Posted by LAM

conservative vodoo economics is exactly what fucked up the country, Census data showed the middle class closing the gap on the wealthy for the 13 years prior to reagan and it's been all down hill while the cost of everything else increases

"Going down"? You spin some good bullshit.

Nothing is going down. All income groups are going up. Since the recession hit on 2000, all groups saw their incomes stagnate. The rich went up a tad more than the rest, but nothing like before. Any percentage change in the tops 3% wealth will generate more absolute dollars than anyone outside of that group. It's called basic math.

Source.

Looking at the chart, you can see the biggest divergence between the rich and other groups happened during Clinton's watch.



Your chart came from a pro-"I suck union cock" website. 100% partial, no doubt.

Originally Posted by LAM

low and stagnant wages was one of the main causes of the credit bubble which was a major contributor to the housing housing crisis.

Which both parties took part in. But oh no!, not your party.

Originally Posted by REDDOG309

I'm sorry, you are correct. The four Walton children are like 6,7,8,and 9 on the richest people of america and they pay thier workers $6.40 an hour when the union workers at giant and shop rite are making 16 an hour for doing the same job. Yep thier right in line.

There you are, making stuff up.

And wages are not working conditions. Those are what the problem at Wal-mart was and what's wrong with IKEA now. The law took care of the working conditions at Wal-mart and will do the same at IKEA.

Ok so a Walmart cashier makes 10 bucks an hour and a shoprite cashier makes more on straight time than a Walmart cashier on overtime.

P.S. but I am known to make shit up as I go along.

Originally Posted by REDDOG309

Ok so a Walmart cashier makes 10 bucks an hour and a shoprite cashier makes more on straight time than a Walmart cashier on overtime.

I call you on your "facts", so you try to move on to something else. Your statement was wrong by 33%.

The mean hour wage for a cashier is $9.15. Care to move on to something else?

Originally Posted by REDDOG309

P.S. but I am known to make shit up as I go along.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

So what's your solution? Should the federal govt just waive a magic wand and create more jobs?.......moron That type of management style may work in China, but it isn't sustainable in this country. Employee turnover will cost them a lot of money in the long run and they will have to improve working conditions if they are to stay afloat.

Or just shut down the factory and move to Mexico where they can get away with treating the workers like shit.... You see what their workers in Sweden get? $19 minimum wage, 5 weeks of paid vacation...the Americans get 2/3rds of the 12 vacation days chosen by the company

Originally Posted by DOMS

I call you on your "facts", so you try to move on to something else. Your statement was wrong by 33%.

The mean hour wage for a cashier is $9.15. Care to move on to something else?

And in 1995 I was making $8.00 an hour as a walmart cashier and gas was like $1.75 a gallon, wages have not kept up with the cost of living in the US ....

Originally Posted by maniclion

And in 1995 I was making $8.00 an hour as a walmart cashier and gas was like $1.75 a gallon, wages have not kept up with the cost of living in the US ....

There was a recession may just have had something to do with that.

Trying to use gas as an example of how income hasn't kept up with cost isn't valid. It's a single commodity that is heavily effected by news, other countries, and market speculation.

Lastly, you'd expect the cost to lag somewhat, considering the aforementioned recession.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I call you on your "facts", so you try to move on to something else. Your statement was wrong by 33%.

The mean hour wage for a cashier is $9.15. Care to move on to something else?

to move from one argument to the next without conceeding is a typical leftist tactic.......i'm on the frontlines of the collective bargaining issues here in wisconsin and fully support my gov scott walker