That's funny because I just read where a USA Today/Gallop poll said 38% believe Obama was definitely born in the US.
When people put up polls here they are dismissed, so I would have to dismiss this one also.
I really find it hard to believe that this Country would let a non American somehow sneak through cracks to become a Presidant....let alone a Black man at that.
Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf
Sure. Decades of real world success in domestic and international business, but he couldn't possibly do better than Obama. He definitely won't get elected on the birther issue tho. That almost makes him look like he isn't serious about running.
Success.....you really haven't followed him through the years have you.
Originally Posted by irish_2003
obama's people are obviously scared of losing to trump or they wouldn't make stupid statements like this.....it should read "the american people weren't smart in voting for obama"
No they are not, Trump isn't someone you want to run your Country. I would rather have had John Gotti run it.
Originally Posted by ZECH
Agreed. They are very worried about Trump running and what they will have to face and up to. They don't won't Trump running.
Originally Posted by Prince
yeah you guys are right, because Ross Perot did so well when he ran.
I voted for Perot, I believed he was serious. Trump, nope.
Originally Posted by phosphor
I'm not a trump fan at all.
I don't go for Trump's bullshit. I read and heard his comments way before he ever considered running - now he's acting like he's the true conservative voice. Any conservative that does their homework will boot his ass to the curb in a heartbeat. Cut the BS drivle though, there are some actual things to play down Trump and you chose to instead bring up nonsense.
Trump is not a true Conservative. I love Trump for what he's done in NYC, but trust me I like you have read and been around him for years and I can start seroius threads and display his true colors for all to see.
Originally Posted by Big Pimpin
Not to mention Trump would kick Obama's ass in a non-teleprompter debate.
They all use teleprompter s, non issue.
Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
I would like to go on record as saying that Trump would be a terrible president and anyone who thinks otherwise is, literally, an idiot. He's declared bankruptcy for his companies at least 3 times. It would be fun to watch the Chinese call in their $1 trillion in treasuries when he tells them to go fuck themselves, though.
As much as I wanted Arnold to run for presidency even though he wasn't american I wasn't really impressed with how he ran California.
I thought he could walk on water, guess not.
The point is not that Obama is doing a poor job (which I think he is). The point is that both the right and the left do nothing but point the finger at each other and often times make up facts. Yes, Obama has spent a lot of money. No, he is not responsible for doubling our debt - that trend started with Reagan (See: United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - notice the rise on debt started in the 80's). Obama is responsible for at most 4 trillion in debt, however that is a far cry from the majority. Even that number is a bit jaded - you need to take into account what % of the increase was due to mandatory spending versus new spending under Obama. A large part of our spending is interest on the debt from the last few decades.
You like to point the finger and say "See, that democratic black man got us into big debt!" while disregarding the facts that politicians in your own party are just as responsible if not more.
As a New Yorker who has seen Trump through the ages....going back to the 80's...I am shocked to think anyone would take this guy serous. HE IS NOT A TRUE REPUBLICAN!!!
^^^^ This.
He has become an entertainer first, businessman second. I will give him that he likes to stir the pot. Let the attack dogs jump on his ass (like they are doing now) while a few true conservative candidates can come out on top. Right now, it's like a shark (liberal media) going after a school of fish and only singling out one (trump). Good stuff.
Now we know he is not a true black man. He wasn't born on a plantation.
J/K
We had it going around on another thread about his legitimacy. After looking into it, The island state clearly only gives out certificates of birth. Nuff said. I was playing devils advocate and never a birther, but when I saw that these were the facts, I ended my discussion on it and bowed out.
He has become an entertainer first, businessman second. I will give him that he likes to stir the pot. Let the attack dogs jump on his ass (like they are doing now) while a few true conservative candidates can come out on top. Right now, it's like a shark (liberal media) going after a school of fish and only singling out one (trump). Good stuff.
Donald Trump, , has donated cash to 48 Democrats during the past two decades
In all, Trump has contributed to 96 candidates running for federal political office since the 1990 election cycle, the Center finds. Only 48 of the recipients -- exactly half -- were Republicans at the time they received their contribution, including ex-Gov. Charlie Crist (I-Fla.) and ex-Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.), who both of whom received their Trump contributions as Republicans.
Since the 1990 election cycle, the top 10 recipients of Trump's political contributions number six Democrats and four Republicans. Embattled Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), who was censured last year by his U.S. House colleagues, has received the most Trump money, totaling $24,750. The most recent contribution from Trump to Rangel was a $10,000 gift during the 2006 election cycle.
In the most recent election cycle, Trump doled out $22,500 to political candidates, of which $16,200 benefited Democrats.
The top Republican recipient of Trump's money is Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) who has collected $13,600 from the billionaire magnate, the second most of any politician. Trump did not contribute to McCain during the 2010 election cycle, during which the former presidential candidate was facing re-election.
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) is the recipient of $12,000 in Trump contributions, including $10,000 for his 2006 re-election campaign.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has received the fourth-largest amount of Trump's contributions, including $4,800 in the successful 2010 campaign against Tea Party favorite Sharron Angle. In total Trump has contributed $10,400 to Reid.
In 2010, Trump also contributed $4,000 to Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who easily won re-election. Schumer has received $8,900 from Trump since the 1996 election cycle. Trump has also been generous to New York's other Democratic U.S. senator, Kirsten Gillibrand, who's received $5,850 in Trump money.
After McCain, the Republican with the largest amount of Trump's contributions is former Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.), who left office in disgrace in 2006 when his online solicitation of male House pages became known. Trump contributed $9,500 to Foley between the 1996 and 2006 election cycles.
Trump has also supported other notable politicians, including:
• $7,000 to former Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), the "liberal lion of the Senate"
• $7,500 to former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (R)
• $5,500 to Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) including $2,000 during his 2004 presidential run
• $5,000 to former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.)
• $4,000 to former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.)
• $2,000 to former President George W. Bush (R)
• $1,000 to then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.)
Trump's donations to various political action committees and 527 groups also demonstrate his bipartisan checkbook.
During the most recent election cycle, Trump contributed $170,000 to the Republican Governor's Association, $50,000 to the ultra-conservative American Crossroads PAC, $30,400 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee and $10,000 to the Democratic Party of New York.
However, of the nearly $420,000 Trump has donated to committees, the largest recipient has been the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee with $116,000 -- or more than one fourth of his total contributions to all party and political action committees.
As a New Yorker who has seen Trump through the ages....going back to the 80's...I am shocked to think anyone would take this guy serous.
HE IS NOT A TRUE REPUBLICAN!!!
I have news for you, after these last two cluster fucks of Presidents, many don't want a true Republican or a true Democrat. Both parties are fracken corrupt as the day is long.
I have news for you, after these last two cluster fucks of Presidents, many don't want a true Republican or a true Democrat. Both parties are fracken corrupt as the day is long.
That's funny because I just read where a USA Today/Gallop poll said 38% believe Obama was definitely born in the US.
Poll Finds Most Americans Uncertain of Trump’s Birthplace
A new Gallup/USA Today poll finds significant doubt about whether Donald Trump, the real estate mogul and television personality who is considering a bid for presidency, was born in the United States.
According to the survey, just 43 percent of Americans believe that Mr. Trump was definitely born in the United States. Another 20 percent believe that he was probably born here. Some 7 percent of respondents told Gallup that Mr. Trump was probably or definitely born in another country, while 30 percent were uncertain.
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