Thread: Maxine on Minorities

Apparently this Maxine individual isn't all there upstairs, all the time.
Having troops return to their hometowns is what they desire most.

Originally Posted by jagbender

Wouldn't it be great if we took the $360,000,000,000 (that's billion) we spend on illegals every year, and spend it on our troops!!!

That would be great. Even better would be to bring them back to the USA and have them protect the border here.

Originally Posted by DOMS

That would be great. Even better would be to bring them back to the USA and have them protect the border here.

Yea dude

I'm assuming that statement was made by Congresswoman Maxine Waters.

And yes, that does make sense, too much sense, actually!

Too much sense is never a good thing. lol The motto of today's horrid society.

Originally Posted by jagbender

Wouldn't it be great if we took the $360,000,000,000 (that's billion) we spend on illegals every year, and spend it on our troops!!!

It will never happen... it makes too much sense. So sad.

That actually sounded better the second time around.

not sure what site that 360B number came from but it's fabricated....it's much less at 113B.

FAIR: The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers

US exports 150B annually to Mexico so considering the actual taxes the US corps pay (not the effective rate) they are still making plenty of money, and they could care less about the budget deficit not their problem.

a fence or anything else is out of the question see NAFTA for details...

Originally Posted by LAM

not sure what site that 360B number came from but it's fabricated....it's much less at 113B.

FAIR: The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers

US exports 150B annually to Mexico so considering the actual taxes the US corps pay (not the effective rate) they are still making plenty of money, and they could care less about the budget deficit not their problem.

a fence or anything else is out of the question see NAFTA for details...

FAIR: Federation for American Immigration Reform.

Oh yeah, they can be trusted to be non-biased about illegals.

Their solution is amnesty. Fuck them.

this is Maxine guys



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Originally Posted by DOMS

FAIR: Federation for American Immigration Reform.

Oh yeah, they can be trusted to be non-biased about illegals.

Their solution is amnesty. Fuck them.

the source does not necessary have anything to do with the accuracy of the variety of data sources used. CBO numbers are pretty much the same.

The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments - 2007
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8...mmigration.pdf

the increase in illegal immigrants in the late 90's is directly correlated to the years after NAFTA went into effect. it also correlates with a shift in the geographic location of a lot of manufacturing in Mexico, north closer to the US border.

Originally Posted by jagbender

this is Maxine guys



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Quite the looker.

Originally Posted by LAM

the source does not necessary have anything to do with the accuracy of the variety of data sources used. CBO numbers are pretty much the same.

The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments - 2007
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8...mmigration.pdf.

It may not necessarily have anything to with the data, but I challenge you find accurate data about the dietary effect of eating meat from the PETA website.

The PDF you link to if fluff. For example, the cost of legal enforcement as it relates to illegals is a few paragraphs at the end which say next to nothing. It also doesn't address the effect of crime committed by illegals and how it generates costs related to insurance (theft, auto, health), hospitalization costs (A&B, rape), and so on.

I've seen with my own eyes the effects of illegals. I don't need third-party accounts or studies to know the effects of illegals on the USA.

I also can't help but note the following (emphasis mine) in the final paragraph of the introduction:

Loretta Lettner edited the paper, and Christine Bogusz proofread it. Maureen Costantino prepared the paper for publication and designed the cover. Lenny Skutnik printed the initial copies, Linda Schimmel coordinated the print distribution, and Simone Thomas produced the electronic version for CBO’s Web site (Congressional Budget Office - Home Page).

everyone has experienced crime from both illegals and legals....

all the crime stats regarding illegals are on the DOJ website. the gov isn't going to do anything about the border, might as well stop bitching about it. you can't have "free trade" with a closed border. if you haven't realized by now the folks that run these corps could care less about the effects of legislation on the actual people of this country, all they care about are increased annual profits/ dividends to share-holders.

America is all about monetary capitalism.

Originally Posted by LAM

everyone has experienced crime from both illegals and legals....

I've lived in an area that 99% white and saw what happened to it when a flood of illegals hit it. The "legal" crime is nothing when compared to the "illegal" crime. It's not even close.

Originally Posted by LAM

the gov isn't going to do anything about the border, might as well stop bitching about it.

Roll over and accept it? That's an awesome mentality.

The only reason that I don't go around shooting the illegals is, humorously, it's illegal. So for now I spread the information regarding illegals and will, in no way, help an illegal. I don't frequent business where I believe them to be employed. I also don't aid them in a day to day way (such as stopping to help with a flat or providing directions). Until the law allows otherwise, this is all that I can do.

Originally Posted by LAM

you can't have "free trade"

Yes you can. You simply allow the flow of goods, but not people.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I've lived in an area that 99% white and saw what happened to it when a flood of illegals hit it. The "legal" crime is nothing when compared to the "illegal" crime. It's not even close.



Roll over and accept it? That's an awesome mentality.

The only reason that I don't go around shooting the illegals is, humorously, it's illegal. So for now I spread the information regarding illegals and will, in no way, help an illegal. I don't frequent business where I believe them to be employed. I also don't aid them in a day to day way (such as stopping to help with a flat or providing directions). Until the law allows otherwise, this is all that I can do.



Yes you can. You simply allow the flow of goods, but not people.

Honestly dude, that's pretty harsh.
I know you're a spiritual guy, so I have to ask, where this plays into that idealism?

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

Honestly dude, that's pretty harsh.
I know you're a spiritual guy, so I have to ask, where this plays into that idealism?

Defending yourself and others is perfectly inline with being spiritual.

Were the British being evil when they resisted the Germans?

Were the Tibetans being evil when they resisted the Chinese government?

It's an unequivocal "no" to both. There is nothing wrong defending yourself form invasion. Which is what is happening now. The Mexicans are invading the USA.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I've lived in an area that 99% white and saw what happened to it when a flood of illegals hit it. The "legal" crime is nothing when compared to the "illegal" crime. It's not even close.

Roll over and accept it? That's an awesome mentality.

The only reason that I don't go around shooting the illegals is, humorously, it's illegal. So for now I spread the information regarding illegals and will, in no way, help an illegal. I don't frequent business where I believe them to be employed. I also don't aid them in a day to day way (such as stopping to help with a flat or providing directions). Until the law allows otherwise, this is all that I can do.

Yes you can. You simply allow the flow of goods, but not people.

are you new to this country? you haven't realized how things work here yet? "security" in the US at both borders and the airports is a joke, unlike any country I have been to in the world. in what 17 years all the gov has done is increased the numbers of border patrol agents by a couple of hundred on the north and south. in the future that's all they plan to do, increase the numbers annually.

why do I say forget about it..let's see I got kicked out of combat 2x during drug ops in the Caribbean in the 90's for asking too many questions about gaps in our search grids with other ships on patrol. I've seen 1st hand about these types of efforts and they are purely to appease the masses...

traveling in Europe today is not like it was 25 years ago, borders and checkpoints everywhere, constantly getting your passport stamped along the way, it's the total opposite now.

Originally Posted by DOMS

It's an unequivocal "no" to both. There is nothing wrong defending yourself form invasion. Which is what is happening now. The Mexicans are invading the USA.

If you wish to die in pointless shootouts, then more power to you.

perfect example of what a joke policy is in the US. I just got done talking to my mailman, his wife is Japanese (she's an engineer with her PhD) and they have been going through the process of getting her entry into the US. the final interview was the other day in the US, she was denied entry because her employer made her join the JCP...so she is now on her way back and they have to start the appeals process...

seriously...who in the fuck is worried about communism in 2011?

nothing will happen with the border or illegals it's election time

Originally Posted by jagbender

We need to show more sympathy for these people.
* They travel miles in the heat.
* They risk their lives crossing a border.
* They don't get paid enough wages.
* They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
* They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
* They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day ~ every day..


I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans ~
I'm talking about our troops!
Doesn't it seem strange that so many are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops?

Wouldn't it be great if we took the $360,000,000,000 (that's billion) we spend on illegals every year, and spend it on our troops!!!

It would be greater if we didn't go around policing the world and starting unfunded wars. I know of no one who feels we should lavish rewards and social programs on illegals, I only know of a lazy gov't officials committed to the status quo to improve the way things are done. Here's a novel idea, when someone applies for these programs, actually do your job and vet them rather than just sending a check. Idiot.

Originally Posted by broke1naz

nothing will happen with the border or illegals it's election time

nothing is ever going to be done...unfortunately most don't realize that Mexico was the first country to basically "fall" to neo-liberalism as the US is experiencing it now. the Border Industrialization Program (BIP) and the maquiladoras which were factory's built with the specific function of exporting goods back in the 60's started the migration of manufacturing to northern border towns. the maquiladoras pay almost no taxes and wages paid out are the bare minimum because there are no labor unions. however as the decades have gone by mexico has lost much of it's manufacturing to china due to even cheaper labor their economy has shifted from manufacturing to service at 70% of the economy and labor force is employed there...due to a lack of entitlements from their government they have no unemployment insurance so the unemployment rate is very low at around 3.5% and wages depending on the city and cost of living are close to $4 a day.

anyone see a trend here? Look to Mexico to see the future of the US

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

It would be greater if we didn't go around policing the world and starting unfunded wars. I know of no one who feels we should lavish rewards and social programs on illegals, I only know of a lazy gov't officials committed to the status quo to improve the way things are done. Here's a novel idea, when someone applies for these programs, actually do your job and vet them rather than just sending a check. Idiot.

Nothing worse then seeing people get out of a bmw and by food with food stamps.Can't AGREE More

Originally Posted by LAM

nothing is ever going to be done...unfortunately most don't realize that Mexico was the first country to basically "fall" to neo-liberalism as the US is experiencing it now. the Border Industrialization Program (BIP) and the maquiladoras which were factory's built with the specific function of exporting goods back in the 60's started the migration of manufacturing to northern border towns. the maquiladoras pay almost no taxes and wages paid out are the bare minimum because there are no labor unions. however as the decades have gone by mexico has lost much of it's manufacturing to china due to even cheaper labor their economy has shifted from manufacturing to service at 70% of the economy and labor force is employed there...due to a lack of entitlements from their government they have no unemployment insurance so the unemployment rate is very low at around 3.5% and wages depending on the city and cost of living are close to $4 a day.

anyone see a trend here? Look to Mexico to see the future of the US

Have To Agree With You There,Major Problems.Were Scrooed.

Originally Posted by broke1naz

Nothing worse then seeing people get out of a bmw and by food with food stamps.Can't AGREE More

they would most likely be drug dealers and paid cash for the car. poor people with no jobs to not get credit and especially not from BMW USA, I've had 5 different BMW's to date since 1997. there is no way to bullshit BMW financial services.

to qualify for food stamps, TANF, etc. you have to provide them will all of your financial information, bank accounts numbers, etc. you also have to factor in that some sell their food stamps because they do not use the total amount monthly.

either way why would you be jealous of someone on food stamps just because they drive a BMW or any other car. you do not retire from poverty. every see poor people flying anywhere on vacation?

Originally Posted by LAM

not sure what site that 360B number came from but it's fabricated....it's much less at 113B.

FAIR: The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers

US exports 150B annually to Mexico so considering the actual taxes the US corps pay (not the effective rate) they are still making plenty of money, and they could care less about the budget deficit not their problem.

a fence or anything else is out of the question see NAFTA for details...

They offer little in their numbers to see what is included or left out. What about when one commits a crime and sent up the river? What about deportation costs? Fighting mexican based cartels on this side of the border? Lives lost from thier murders? What about the effect of taking an american based job, then funneling it to their families back 'home' instead of injecting it back into this economy? The numbers can be debated, but regardless if it's 1m or 250b, our money is still being used to fund illegal aliens.