Dealing with banned members/account recreators: What's your opinion?

**Curt James** · 05-21-2011, 10:20 PM

I don't know all this user's incarnations, however there has been a member who has been banned multiple times. He or she continues to register and pulls the same stuff that previously got them banned over and over again.

It's a good philosophy, imo, to have a board where banning is the last option. Differences of opinion, drama, discussion, arguments are all part of life and often make life more exciting if not more enjoyable.

Here's the question: This user/member... they have a characteristic or recognizable attitude and their general tactic is to post "Hi" and "Heya" or something similar in the new members thread to bump up their post count initially and then to also post what I'd call snide remarks in BB Gossip and Open Chat.

I've asked them to stick to Anything Goes where, hey, anything goes.

But more often than not they've replied with more venom or disrespect to other members. Past remarks have stated that they refuse to "kiss ass" and that they're "keeping it real".

Okay, where'd the question go?

There's a poll included (please vote), but the gist of it is this:

Should mods, if they recognize this individual, simply and automatically ban them or should each incarnation be treated as a new member and go through the infraction and eventual ban process?

So the choices include a) Immediate Nuking or b) Slow and Tempered Justice.

I include the following posts taken out of the context of their original thread but as an indication that more than one individual has had enough of this member, a seeming repeat offender.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

here's an idea. how about the assholes with no support to lend stay out of threads like this in open chat? you can tell who the trolling punks are simply by the respect they fail to show other members.

Originally Posted by MDR

Agree 100%-Lot of trolling assholes around these days, and it really does nothing for the board except waste space. Grow up.

Originally Posted by Little Wing

wastes space and drives decent people away. the internet is like any other gathering place so any pools with too many douchebags will end up the last place non douchebag people want to hang out. i come here a lot less than i used to because you can't have a single conversation here anymore without some cunt you don't want to hang out with in your face like a loud obnoxious drunk at a bar. it ruins the experience. and don't say block them because the same little shit gets banned and springs up as someone else here to keep getting his mad on. it's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by jlacap

x2, that member named "Leave" does it alot.

That's three different members who I'm guessing will choose Automatic Nuking Without Remorse. And here's a quote from a recent PM I received that seems relevant to this thread/poll.

I've erased the name and rephrased things to protect the person's identity, however the gist of their sentiment remains.

I enjoy this site a lot! There are some very cool and interesting people here. A while back members were unnecessarily rude to each other all the time. That definitely took the fun out for me, but this place has a whole new atmosphere now. Minus the trolls.

Note: This thread and the accompanying poll is not intended to create board policy but simply to offer members an opportunity to voice their opinion. Thank you for participating.

**ihateschoolmt** · 05-21-2011, 10:25 PM

I think if I were to get sentenced to jail time and legally changed my name they would still send me to jail. So if someone gets banned I see it the same way, why does a name change mean a 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance?

**Curt James** · 05-21-2011, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

why does a name change mean a 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance?

Very good point. Thank you for voting and for voicing your opinion.

Looking forward to a counterpoint.

**bio-chem** · 05-21-2011, 10:33 PM

there is no counterpoint. first sign of a troll in a thread not labeled anything goes. (including open chat) immediate ban. anything goes is for the douchebag trolls. outside of that. they gots to go

**BillHicksFan** · 05-21-2011, 10:36 PM

lol at jlacap putting in his 2 cents.

Sometimes trolling can be funny, especially when it manages to brings out the darker side of members that we don't normally see.

I must admit, I was getting a laugh out of RedDog. He was getting quite pissed for a while there lol.

**NJRiot** · 05-21-2011, 10:45 PM

i dated a troll once, hated carrying a step ladder everywhere we went.

**Little Wing** · 05-22-2011, 12:20 AM

plain and simple it USED to be fun to hang out here. when i first joined you could literally be on here all day without having to deal with even one asshole troll. we had Johnnny but he was a peach compared to the shit floating around in the bowl here now. a lot of people left because they don't want to deal with assholes in their leisure time.

**Little Wing** · 05-22-2011, 12:28 AM

or you can kiss the trolls ass trying to be popular and make friends hoping maybe it will end up like some oprah movie of the week and everyone will cry and hold hands. meanwhile the troll will be happy and 100 members won't. giving a troll 45 chances is like letting rapists out of jail to rape again. shit has a zero learning curve.

**Little Wing** · 05-22-2011, 12:29 AM

and i thought anything goes was a place to post porn not hang out with turds.

**Little Wing** · 05-22-2011, 12:41 AM

and keep in mind that while you are tolerating a troll it's putting the rest of us through what feels about as pleasant as the Judas Cradle

**Curt James** · 05-22-2011, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Little Wing

or you can kiss the trolls ass trying to be popular and make friends hoping maybe it will end up like some oprah movie of the week and everyone will cry and hold hands. meanwhile the troll will be happy and 100 members won't. giving a troll 45 chances is like letting rapists out of jail to rape again. shit has a zero learning curve.

That's funny. The troll accused me of just that—that I was infracting them in order to kiss ass and in an attempt to be popular.

Can't win at times, eh? lol

My goal is a board that runs smoothly. I noticed this individual was back and created this thread to begin a discussion. Thank you for taking part.

The poll's been up just two hours and there are 6 votes for auto-ban and 1 vote for "Maybe."

As I said in the original post, this isn't to create policy however it may give an idea of the opinion among board members.

I'd like to see 100 votes in this thread to get an idea of what a general consensus might be. Again, thanks for sharing your opinion.

**NJRiot** · 05-22-2011, 12:55 AM

how about zero tollerance policy. plane and simple!

**Little Wing** · 05-22-2011, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Curt James

I'd like to see 100 votes in this thread

ok but hold on a minute.... it might take me a while to make 99 more accounts.

**Little Wing** · 05-22-2011, 01:21 AM

i don't think it's saying much for any forum when people say, "gee, i can be as big an ass as i want to be here and you guys won't ban me like that other shitty forum." do we really WANT a forum full of big assholes? it doesn't seem like rocket science. i think you're over complicating it.

**Imosted** · 05-22-2011, 01:26 AM

What about new members need to be a member for lets say 1 or 2 months to be able to enter anything goes or open chat, 50 posts is too easy to achieve.

**Little Wing** · 05-22-2011, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Curt James

That's funny. The troll accused me of just that—that I was infracting them in order to kiss ass and in an attempt to be popular.

Can't win at times, eh? lol

My goal is a board that runs smoothly. I noticed this individual was back and created this thread to begin a discussion. Thank you for taking part.

The poll's been up just two hours and there are 6 votes for auto-ban and 1 vote for "Maybe."

As I said in the original post, this isn't to create policy however it may give an idea of the opinion among board members.

I'd like to see 100 votes in this thread to get an idea of what a general consensus might be. Again, thanks for sharing your opinion.

i noticed you trying to get this guy to shape up a while ago. i think you have been tolerant and beyond fair. then i see him acting like the same little shit in thread after thread. to me it's like hey this mod i like was nice to you and you aren't showing him any respect for it. so i want to punch him in the head.

**SFW** · 05-22-2011, 05:28 AM

**KelJu** · 05-22-2011, 06:01 AM

I think the mods have been doing a suck ass job of moderating and Rob's "just ignore it" policy sucks ass, too. In all likelihood one or two people are responsible for the 10-20 alts that have spawned over the past few months that do nothing but troll around.

Why do I care? Because it is bad for the community. It drives off potentially interesting people who don't want to sift through pages and pages of garbage posts. I would like to ask why do we care about spam? Is it not for the same reason? I could say let spammers be welcomed here and they can clog up the site with uninteresting and unamusing garbage and you would think I was crazy. Well, I think the management of IM is crazy for not dealing with this problem before it gets even more out of hand.

Jesus Christ, it isn't that hard to do. It takes less than 2 minutes to ban a troll, and it takes them at least 5 minutes to setup new email accounts and re-register along with the 24 hour restriction on posting. You do that to these little fuckers on the first or second post they make and after a week or two it will become to aggravating for them to continue, and they will go troll somewhere else.

Don't get me wrong. Insults and flame wars are great. Honest disagreement over stupid shit is entertaining as hell to me, especially when some of the insults are witty. But throwing out random insults just to get a response is as lame as someone spamming links to their new dime-o-dozen workout manual for only $19.95.

**BillHicksFan** · 05-22-2011, 06:09 AM

KelJew for mod!!

**KelJu** · 05-22-2011, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

KelJew for mod!!

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I would make a terrible mod. Let one of my psychotic rage mood swings take me over, and half of IM gets banned in one day.

**BillHicksFan** · 05-22-2011, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I would make a terrible mod. Let one of my psychotic rage mood swings take me over, and half of IM gets banned in one day.

lol I realise that. I imagine it would be similar to that of an e-holocaust that swept over IM like a swift and deadly plauge.
It would be funny to watch however I realise that I probably wouldn't survive the cull.

**D-Lats** · 05-22-2011, 07:04 AM

I like trolls I get to unleash some rage in a constructive manner lol!

**phosphor** · 05-22-2011, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by Imosted

What about new members need to be a member for lets say 1 or 2 months to be able to enter anything goes or open chat, 50 posts is too easy to achieve.

^^^^ this

It would shut down shit stain and his ilk and he would quickly move onto another site to troll on. Change the policy then ban hammer his new account - he'll be completely pissed that there is no anything goes access.

I am sick of this hands-off approach. I see it as complete lazyness. All they have to do is go through their back logs to verify the BS troll behavior and make a judgement call. Sure, anything goes is anything goes, but people enjoy that section on many different levels - but, there is one universal hatred: Someone that comes out repeatedly on various topics and commits trollism - basically thread-crapping and ruining the discussion to turn it into a flame war, then when a rebuttal is submitted, the idiot has the response of a 3yr old with downs.

Example discussion:

roidman "This thread is awesome"
skippypb "yes, yes it is. I love this thread"
harpygonads "Hey guys! I see 2 fluffy bunnies out my window - I want to catch then and shove them up my ass!
roidman "That's awesome dude. Everyone is awesome"
skippypb "Let's all be awesome together and have sex with bunnies - and each other"
trollboy2kmax "ROID EAT MY SHIT MOTHERHUMPER, JOO E4T DOGTURD SANDWICHES!
roidman "Just Leave, doucheberry"
trollboy2kmax "ALL YOU CAN SUCK IT HAHAHA - YOUR MOMSES ARS IN MY BASEMENT HAHAHA... ROID, YOUR MOMSA DOUCHEBARYY HAHAHAHA!
(this goes on and on and on and on...)
me "This thread sucks now. I like sex with bunnies."

**Chubby** · 05-22-2011, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

lol at jlacap putting in his 2 cents.

Sometimes trolling can be funny, especially when it manages to brings out the darker side of members that we don't normally see.

I must admit, I was getting a laugh out of RedDog. He was getting quite pissed for a while there lol.

This is one of the reasons I like to engage with people who don't agree with me. It helps me see how things are on the other side of the coin. It is better to live in real world than my small make believe world. So far I haven't seen any troll yet, I have only seen unpopular veiws.

**DOMS** · 05-22-2011, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by chobby192

This is one of the reasons I like to engage with people who don't agree with me. It helps me see how things are on the other side of the coin. It is better to live in real world than my small make believe world. So far I haven't seen any troll yet, I have only seen unpopular veiws.

Well, holy shit... You really are starting to look like a nice person. I guess I'll have to stop negging you.

**BillHicksFan** · 05-22-2011, 09:56 AM

^^^

**bigmoe65** · 05-22-2011, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

I think the mods have been doing a suck ass job of moderating and Rob's "just ignore it" policy sucks ass, too. In all likelihood one or two people are responsible for the 10-20 alts that have spawned over the past few months that do nothing but troll around.

Why do I care? Because it is bad for the community. It drives off potentially interesting people who don't want to sift through pages and pages of garbage posts. I would like to ask why do we care about spam? Is it not for the same reason? I could say let spammers be welcomed here and they can clog up the site with uninteresting and unamusing garbage and you would think I was crazy. Well, I think the management of IM is crazy for not dealing with this problem before it gets even more out of hand.

Jesus Christ, it isn't that hard to do. It takes less than 2 minutes to ban a troll, and it takes them at least 5 minutes to setup new email accounts and re-register along with the 24 hour restriction on posting. You do that to these little fuckers on the first or second post they make and after a week or two it will become to aggravating for them to continue, and they will go troll somewhere else.

Don't get me wrong. Insults and flame wars are great. Honest disagreement over stupid shit is entertaining as hell to me, especially when some of the insults are witty. But throwing out random insults just to get a response is as lame as someone spamming links to their new dime-o-dozen workout manual for only $19.95.

Im with Kel on this one. Come on mods, who are you trying to make happy anyways? Why the big discussion, its the fucking internet. Hit the delete button on them and move on. I dont think they belong in anything goes either, I dont mind shit talking but as long as its going somewhere. Look, you started a thread on this turd and hes getting the attention he wants, whos the turd now?

**MDR** · 05-22-2011, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Little Wing

plain and simple it USED to be fun to hang out here. when i first joined you could literally be on here all day without having to deal with even one asshole troll. we had Johnnny but he was a peach compared to the shit floating around in the bowl here now. a lot of people left because they don't want to deal with assholes in their leisure time.

Little Wing is just stating what many of us have felt for a while. This place is not the same as it was when I first signed up a little over a year ago. Little Wing has been here a lot longer than me and I agree with her assessment completely. I've had a lot of good friends leave or back off greatly for this reason alone in just the short time I've been here. To be honest the overt racism and sexism outside of anything goes really doesn't help either, but that's another topic. Dump the trolls. It's the right thing to do and some of the best members would not be leaving the forum.

**Curt James** · 05-22-2011, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by bigmoe65

Im with Kel on this one. Come on mods, who are you trying to make happy anyways? Why the big discussion(snip)

It isn't mods. It's me.

I created the thread because I saw LW's and MDR's posts elsewhere and wanted to get an idea of how others felt on the subject.

I was/am curious if the majority felt as they do.

Thank you for participating.

The results so far:

Should obvious trolls receive an "automatic ban"?

Yes. 11 55%
No. 4 20%
Maybe. 5 25%
Other. 0 0%
Voters: 20

**bio-chem** · 05-22-2011, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I would make a terrible mod. Let one of my psychotic rage mood swings take me over, and half of IM gets banned in one day.

there is no doubt i would be on that list in such an occasion. hahaha

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