Cruise Ship illnesses

david · 11-28-2002, 12:39 AM

Is this an act of terrorism??

Or something else?

Strange how 2 to 3 cruise lines have been walloped by this and now other cruise lines are taking precautions!

Disney Cancels Cruise by Ship Hit by Virus
Wed Nov 27, 8:28 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!

By Michael Connor

MIAMI (Reuters) - The Disney Cruise Line on Wednesday canceled a Caribbean voyage by its Disney Magic ship, the second luxury vessel to be pulled from service by a prominent U.S. cruise line to combat a gastrointestinal virus that has hit hundreds of passengers.

Reuters Photo

AP Photo
Slideshow: Cruise Ship Illness

The two-ship line operated by Walt Disney Co., the entertainment giant famous for theme parks and cartoon films, said a week-long sailing from Port Canaveral, Florida, on Saturday had been canceled so that the three-year-old ship can be disinfected.

"We have been talking with many experts over the past several days and, based upon their collective advice, our company has made the voluntary decision to take this course of action," Disney Cruise Line President Matt Ouimet said.

Another cruise ship, the Amsterdam operated by Holland America Line, last week canceled a 10-day cruise after four significant outbreaks of illness during October and November and is being scrubbed down in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, in the hope of breaking a cycle of transmission.

On Monday, lawyers seeking restitution for 500 or more passengers sickened aboard the Amsterdam filed a lawsuit saying the cruise line should have more quickly yanked the ship out of service for decontamination.

Holland America, a unit of Miami-based Carnival Corp., also canceled a week-long Alaska cruise last summer by its Ryndam ship to break outbreaks of Norwalk-like virus that struck 388 passengers and 40 crew during two cruises.

U.S. government health officials and Holland America credit the week-long break without passengers on the Ryndam with curtailing the non-lethal virus, which is believed to be largely transmitted by one person to another.

"Experts tell us that this seven-day hiatus, along with additional sanitation procedures that are not possible for a ship in operation, will provide the best opportunity to eliminate this concern going forward," said Ouimet.

Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta said that at midday on Wednesday 104 passengers and 19 crew of nearly 3,500 people aboard the Disney Magic had stomach pains and other symptoms of Norwalk-like virus.

Last week, during another seven-day voyage in the Caribbean, some 275 people on the ship reported vomiting, diarrhea and other gastrointestinal ailments. The Disney Magic was scrubbed down last weekend to combat the virus.

David Forney, the chief cruise-ship sanitation inspector for the CDC, said tests completed on Wednesday showed the infection last week on the Disney Magic was a Norwalk-like virus, whose foul symptoms generally pass within a few days.

CDC inspectors last fully examined the Disney Magic in June, when its sanitary practices and equipment were rated 99 on a 100-point scale.

Ouimet said the Disney Magic would complete its current cruise and dock as scheduled on Saturday in Port Canaveral.

The CDC said outbreaks of Norwalk-like virus are common, occurring regularly in nursing homes, hospitals and other venues where people come together for several days or more, and did not constitute a significant health risk for most people.

Forney said the CDC believed the rate of gastrointestinal illnesses on cruise ships stopping in U.S. ports had actually declined in recent years, even as the industry has grown rapidly. Some 7.4 million cruise passengers were expected to sail from North American ports this year.

Officials at both Carnival and Disney said the canceled voyages, which result in lost revenues as well as compensation to disappointed customers, would not affect reported earnings.

david · 11-28-2002, 12:47 AM

I choose "can't decide" due to lack of evidence.

Key factor: Terrorist are looking for mass destruction and although this could be labeled as this, I do further believe that the "substance" that are causing the illness is not "pure deadly like". Mind you, "terror like" in a mass destruction way.

Then again, we know terrorist act like this so why would they do the obvious? I would think it would be a light demonstration of how the can contaminate our products without anyone noticing.

So, I still stand by this until further evidence is shown.

PS. BTW, this conversation was held by 4 middle aged people that I was listening in on.

Preacher · 11-28-2002, 03:36 AM

I got sick by eating a sandwich in 4 (four!) different amusement parks .. Act of terrorism ?

Just plain hygiene !!

**I Are Baboon** · 11-28-2002, 08:20 AM

No, it's not terrorism. Sometimes, shit just happens. (pun intended)

Preacher · 11-28-2002, 09:25 AM

Space Mountain just isn't what it's cramped up to be (pun intended) when you've got to hold your bowels in line ..

david · 11-28-2002, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Preacher
I got sick by eating a sandwich in 4 (four!) different amusement parks .. Act of terrorism ?

Just plain hygiene !!

Let me reiterate again.............

bhinct1 · 11-28-2002, 01:27 PM

something is wrong with this picture due to 3 different cruise lines and it's sickeness

david · 11-28-2002, 01:55 PM

Couldn't agree more and that's why I'm skeptical but then again, skepticism leads to mislead conclusions!

Maybe they get their food all from the same distributor?

Badger · 12-01-2002, 09:23 AM

It's hard to say at least at this point. I'll stick with can't decide until something more convincing turns up. But it does make one think that there is something "different" about this.

**MtnBikerChk** · 12-02-2002, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
No, it's not terrorism. Sometimes, shit just happens. (pun intended)

Yeah, see IAB's thread on the subject.....

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...threadid=13184 (Stomach viruses are no fun)

**dg806** · 12-02-2002, 08:36 AM

It is very strange all of them at one time!!

**MtnBikerChk** · 12-02-2002, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
It is very strange all of them at one time!!

I read the cdc's conference on the cruise ships. They said it's not a new problem for them.

You can read it at cdc.org.

The Norwalk Virus is a food born illness that is also found in water - so it could have come from anywhere

and generally is because of unclean conditions. EW.

**dg806** · 12-02-2002, 08:47 AM

So, when you go on a cruise, take your supply of bottled water!

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11-28-2002, 12:39 AM	#1
david EAST COAST BRAT Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waterworld, FL Posts: 25,420 Photos: 2	Cruise Ship illnesses Is this an act of terrorism?? Or something else? Strange how 2 to 3 cruise lines have been walloped by this and now other cruise lines are taking precautions! Disney Cancels Cruise by Ship Hit by Virus Wed Nov 27, 8:28 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo! By Michael Connor MIAMI (Reuters) - The Disney Cruise Line on Wednesday canceled a Caribbean voyage by its Disney Magic ship, the second luxury vessel to be pulled from service by a prominent U.S. cruise line to combat a gastrointestinal virus that has hit hundreds of passengers. Reuters Photo AP Photo Slideshow: Cruise Ship Illness The two-ship line operated by Walt Disney Co., the entertainment giant famous for theme parks and cartoon films, said a week-long sailing from Port Canaveral, Florida, on Saturday had been canceled so that the three-year-old ship can be disinfected. "We have been talking with many experts over the past several days and, based upon their collective advice, our company has made the voluntary decision to take this course of action," Disney Cruise Line President Matt Ouimet said. Another cruise ship, the Amsterdam operated by Holland America Line, last week canceled a 10-day cruise after four significant outbreaks of illness during October and November and is being scrubbed down in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, in the hope of breaking a cycle of transmission. On Monday, lawyers seeking restitution for 500 or more passengers sickened aboard the Amsterdam filed a lawsuit saying the cruise line should have more quickly yanked the ship out of service for decontamination. Holland America, a unit of Miami-based Carnival Corp., also canceled a week-long Alaska cruise last summer by its Ryndam ship to break outbreaks of Norwalk-like virus that struck 388 passengers and 40 crew during two cruises. U.S. government health officials and Holland America credit the week-long break without passengers on the Ryndam with curtailing the non-lethal virus, which is believed to be largely transmitted by one person to another. "Experts tell us that this seven-day hiatus, along with additional sanitation procedures that are not possible for a ship in operation, will provide the best opportunity to eliminate this concern going forward," said Ouimet. Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta said that at midday on Wednesday 104 passengers and 19 crew of nearly 3,500 people aboard the Disney Magic had stomach pains and other symptoms of Norwalk-like virus. Last week, during another seven-day voyage in the Caribbean, some 275 people on the ship reported vomiting, diarrhea and other gastrointestinal ailments. The Disney Magic was scrubbed down last weekend to combat the virus. David Forney, the chief cruise-ship sanitation inspector for the CDC, said tests completed on Wednesday showed the infection last week on the Disney Magic was a Norwalk-like virus, whose foul symptoms generally pass within a few days. CDC inspectors last fully examined the Disney Magic in June, when its sanitary practices and equipment were rated 99 on a 100-point scale. Ouimet said the Disney Magic would complete its current cruise and dock as scheduled on Saturday in Port Canaveral. The CDC said outbreaks of Norwalk-like virus are common, occurring regularly in nursing homes, hospitals and other venues where people come together for several days or more, and did not constitute a significant health risk for most people. Forney said the CDC believed the rate of gastrointestinal illnesses on cruise ships stopping in U.S. ports had actually declined in recent years, even as the industry has grown rapidly. Some 7.4 million cruise passengers were expected to sail from North American ports this year. Officials at both Carnival and Disney said the canceled voyages, which result in lost revenues as well as compensation to disappointed customers, would not affect reported earnings.

11-28-2002, 03:36 AM	#3
Preacher Strongest of all Hobbits Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Belgium - Western Europe Posts: 413 Photos: 2	I got sick by eating a sandwich in 4 (four!) different amusement parks .. Act of terrorism ? Just plain hygiene !! "When the going gets though, the Tough get Duct-tape!"

11-28-2002, 09:25 AM	#5
Preacher Strongest of all Hobbits Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Belgium - Western Europe Posts: 413 Photos: 2	Space Mountain just isn't what it's cramped up to be (pun intended) when you've got to hold your bowels in line .. "When the going gets though, the Tough get Duct-tape!"

12-02-2002, 08:36 AM	#11
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	It is very strange all of them at one time!! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

11-28-2002, 12:47 AM	#2
david EAST COAST BRAT Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waterworld, FL Posts: 25,420 Photos: 2	I choose "can't decide" due to lack of evidence. Key factor: Terrorist are looking for mass destruction and although this could be labeled as this, I do further believe that the "substance" that are causing the illness is not "pure deadly like". Mind you, "terror like" in a mass destruction way. Then again, we know terrorist act like this so why would they do the obvious? I would think it would be a light demonstration of how the can contaminate our products without anyone noticing. So, I still stand by this until further evidence is shown. PS. BTW, this conversation was held by 4 middle aged people that I was listening in on.

11-28-2002, 08:20 AM	#4
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 11,942 Photos: 4	No, it's not terrorism. Sometimes, shit just happens. (pun intended)

11-28-2002, 01:27 PM	#7
bhinct1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: winter wonderland Posts: 18	something is wrong with this picture due to 3 different cruise lines and it's sickeness

11-28-2002, 01:55 PM	#8
david EAST COAST BRAT Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waterworld, FL Posts: 25,420 Photos: 2	Couldn't agree more and that's why I'm skeptical but then again, skepticism leads to mislead conclusions! Maybe they get their food all from the same distributor?

12-01-2002, 09:23 AM	#9
Badger What tan line? Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Down south Posts: 1,115	It's hard to say at least at this point. I'll stick with can't decide until something more convincing turns up. But it does make one think that there is something "different" about this.

12-02-2002, 08:47 AM	#13
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	So, when you go on a cruise, take your supply of bottled water! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

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