Thread: The Marijuana State (Prop. 19 in California)

i think it is really stupid that no state is cashing in on the taxes this could generate. especially california.

Believe me, we need all the help we can get at this point. Regulate and tax.

We should make it legal it would create jobs stop a decent amount of people from going to jail for a dumb-ass reason. I'm pro legalization of everything. That would stop any drug dealing related crime and it's not like the law is keeping crack heads from smoking crack. Just need to set up red light districts or something to keep them away from me haha.

regulating and taxing would also cause a decrease in some drug trafficking from Mexico to the US. studies in Europe, etc. have already shown that ecriminalization/legalization does not increase it's use.

can't even count the stuff friends and I did growing up simply because it was against the rules...

I really think there is a national outrage over the fact that this nation almost bankrupt. The fact that $.43 out of every dollar we spend is borrowed, and that this Country is potentially at the point of financial collapse.

This is really a cost/benefit analysis. When you look at marijuana as the issue of what are we spending and what are we getting, half of what we are spending on law enforcement, the courts and the prisons is drug related. And what are we getting for that? I think that 90% of the drug problem is prohibition related, not use related. Not to discount the problems of use and abuse, but that ought to be the focus.

Tax it, regulate it, control the sales, take the money out of selling it illegally.
When it comes to border violence, advocating legalizing it, arguably 75% of border violence goes away because that's the estimate that most Mex. drug cartels' activity is MJ related.

Not only would it bring in billions in revenue just for sales of MJ, but it can also create many, many, many jobs. From the growing & cultivation. But Hemp has been grown for thousands of years for fiber, textiles & paper and food. Sails & rope for ships, canvass is rooted in cannabis. Hemp was a required crop in the American Colonies.

You can actully make Hempcrete and use it for foundations of homes and it's actually stronger than reg. concrete, and will give in cases of earthquakes, and won't crack. You can use it as a better insulation for your home, also.
not to mention MDF, strand board, beams, studs, and posts could be made of hemp. Because of hemp's long fibers, the products will be stronger and/or lighter than those made from wood

Hemp oil once greased machines. Most paints, resins, shellacs, and varnishes used to be made out of inseed from flax, and hemp oils.

I can go on, and on...like Rudolph Diesel: he designed his engine to run on hemp oil.

Just one more tid bit, did you know the hulls of the hemp seed contain 25% protein!

I have been stymied by the seemingly impenetrable clouds of misinformation sprouted by our Gov. and the media and the inability to get the truth heard. In a nation where truth can be measured by many shades of gray, and can be very frustrating to compete.

Originally Posted by IronAddict

I have been stymied by the seemingly impenetrable clouds of misinformation sprouted by our Gov. and the media and the inability to get the truth heard. In a nation where truth can be measured by many shades of gray, and can be very frustrating to compete.

There always has to be a demon. Be it pot, crack, nicotine or whatever else you care to name. Why? It's a matter of control. Control the thoughts of the people and you have an easier time controlling them. Simplistic? Yes, but that's how it begins.

Originally Posted by Zaphod

There always has to be a demon. Be it pot, crack, nicotine or whatever else you care to name. Why? It's a matter of control. Control the thoughts of the people and you have an easier time controlling them. Simplistic? Yes, but that's how it begins.

BINGO! You said the magic word.

yes tax it like alcohol. I'm interested to see what would happen, positive or negative.

If it's a positive then great, maybe other states will follow suit.

If it fails and it's a disaster, oh well I don't care cause I'm 3000 miles away.

Yeah, most people just want to smoke it (which is stupid) to get high (which is a crutch), but the plant has incredible medicinal value. If for no other reason than this, it should be made legal.

I'm also mystified as to why a plant that far less harmful than alcohol is illegal, while the aforementioned alcohol isn't.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Yeah, most people just want to smoke it (which is awesome) to get high (which is a amazing), but the plant has incredible medicinal value. If for no other reason than this, it should be made legal.

I'm also mystified as to why a plant that far less harmful than alcohol is illegal, while the aforementioned alcohol isn't.

fixed.

OBEY!

That seems to be the only word important to those in authority.

I would much rather have thoughtful cooperation than a population fearful of consequences.

Definitely have a suspicion that the demonization of pot is based on alcohol and regular smokes as well as the need to control citizens.

Who wants competition from a product you can grow in your back yard?

Prohibition is an expensive joke. The money spent on incarcerating citizens would be better spent on rehab facilities for drug addicts seeking help and MarijuanaMarts for the casual user.

Is it a positive thing to hear students comment, "My dad's in jail."?

And how much worse is it really to have a mother or father who smokes a little versus parents who knock back two six-packs while watching the game?

Substance abuse is wrong, but a government "abusing" its citizens is worse still, imo.

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

fixed.

Lighting anything on fire and sticking it your mouth and sucking on it is the height of stupidity. There is no way around that. Anything you could try to say counter to it will only sound moronic.

It's also a crutch in terms of changing you perception. Meditation is a better, and all natural, way to improve your conscious state. Shortcuts using drugs for that purpose is weak minded and weak willed. Marijuana has a variety of medicinal values, but that's not one of them.

I tried weed and got nothing out of it. I tried it 3 times.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Lighting anything on fire and sticking it your mouth and sucking on it is the height of stupidity. There is no way around that. Anything you could try to say counter to it will only sound moronic.

It's also a crutch in terms of changing you perception. Meditation is a better, and all natural, way to improve your conscious state. Shortcuts using drugs for that purpose is weak minded and weak willed. Marijuana has a variety of medicinal values, but that's not one of them.

What about brownies?

I mean sucking flaming smoke into your lungs, okay. But brownies? C'mon, man!

Note: While I advocate the legalization of this and other drugs as I see the abject failure of interdiction and prohibition, I have been brownie- and smoke-less for a looooong time.

Never had the urge to try any illegal drugs, so I haven't. Been drunk off my ass twice and that was enough. Even if every narcotic was suddenly legal it would be business as usual for me. I'm fucked up enough without drugs.

Originally Posted by Curt James

What about brownies?

I mean sucking flaming smoke into your lungs, okay. But brownies? C'mon, man!

Note: While I advocate the legalization of this and other drugs as I see the abject failure of interdiction and prohibition, I have been brownie- and smoke-less for a looooong time.

If you're going to use marijuana then brownies is the way to go. Just make sure to chop the pot up finely and soak in the butter as it melts until the butter turns green. The oils in the butter will draw out the THC from the plant material.

But I suspect you already know this.

going to have to try that DOMS...

Originally Posted by DOMS

If you're going to use marijuana then brownies is the way to go. Just make sure to chop the pot up finely and soak in the butter as it melts until the butter turns green. The oils in the butter will draw out the THC from the plant material.

But I suspect you already know this.

Dude, you don't have to just have brownies, or smoke it. You can cook anything with it, it's made as a glycerin, oil, butter as you know. Shit they even make a Hemp Pasta.

There are canna chefs that make a living cooking this way.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Lighting anything on fire and sticking it your mouth and sucking on it is the height of stupidity. There is no way around that. Anything you could try to say counter to it will only sound moronic.

It's also a crutch in terms of changing you perception. Meditation is a better, and all natural, way to improve your conscious state. Shortcuts using drugs for that purpose is weak minded and weak willed. Marijuana has a variety of medicinal values, but that's not one of them.

Everything on our planet is all natural LOL
HEIGHT OF STUPIDITY YOU SAY SIR?
No sir, I pretty sure there are more STUPID things to do with ones time, than inhale gases OTHER THAN OXYGEN AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN OUR AIR AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

Sorry but your conventionally tuned common sense approach is bullshit.
And you don't back up anything you say.

You've said numerous times, you've only tried it a few times. You're a hater.
It's obvious.

Originally Posted by LAM

going to have to try that DOMS...

You will absorb way more THC than you get through smoking.

Originally Posted by myCATpowerlifts

Everything on our planet is all natural LOL
HEIGHT OF STUPIDITY YOU SAY SIR?
No sir, I pretty sure there are more STUPID things to do with ones time, than inhale gases OTHER THAN OXYGEN AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN OUR AIR AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

Sorry but your conventionally tuned common sense approach is bullshit.
And you don't back up anything you say.

You've said numerous times, you've only tried it a few times. You're a hater.
It's obvious.

When it comes to medicinal herbs there are a wide ranges of way to take it, based on the ailment. Such as balms, salves, lotions, ointments, distillations, infusions, tinctures, and baths. Lighting the material on fire and inhaling the carbon laced smoke is the least valid method of trying to use plant material. It's essentially poisoning a medicine. It other words, it very, very stupid.

I'll stick by the statement I made: using drugs to achieve an altered mental state is a crutch. It's a method for those too lazy to put in the effort to reach heightened states through natural means.

I'm not saying that pot won't change your mental state, I'm saying that it's lazy and inferior.

As for backing shit up, what?, are you trying to say that inhaling it along with carbon is a superior, or even okay, way to get the benefits of plants?

Originally Posted by DOMS

It's also a crutch in terms of changing you perception. Meditation is a better, and all natural, way to improve your conscious state. Shortcuts using drugs for that purpose is weak minded and weak willed. Marijuana has a variety of medicinal values, but that's not one of them.

But have you meditated after eating a dinner of ground turkey and french style green beans flavored with canabutter vinaigrette? You now have opened the doors of perception and then sat in the doorway in a transcendental state. When I want to straddle the pathway between my dream creative mind and my awake mind I find at times chemicals help me get there faster. I don't always use chemicals though, and if I want to work on Tranquil mind clearing meditation drugs make me lose focus, even when I am doing my All Aware Meditation when I sit with my eyes open trying to perceive every little thing around me, sounds, sights, sensations, emotions, smells I will try both ways, even with empty stomach and after a meal there is a difference cause food can act just like drugs.....

But yeah smoking seems like a waste to me, it only lasts up to 30 minutes where as consuming can last me a good 3 hours. Plus I can carry a small container of food with me in my car and then eat it right before I go to a concert and not have to keep bumping my high and take chances of getting caught at the concert like I see so many others doing, what cop if I got pulled over would think my turkey with greenbean pasta dish is loaded with drugs?

Originally Posted by maniclion

When I want to straddle the pathway between my dream creative mind and my awake mind I find at times chemicals help me get there faster. I don't always use chemicals though, and if I want to work on Tranquil mind clearing meditation drugs make me lose focus,

You're stating petty much what I've been saying about pot: it alters your state, but in an inferior way.

Originally Posted by maniclion

even when I am doing my All Aware Meditation when I sit with my eyes open trying to perceive every little thing around me, sounds, sights, sensations, emotions, smells

It's this an advanced state of Mindfulness? If you're that far along, I congratulate you! I'm still at the beginning stages.

Originally Posted by DOMS

You're stating petty much what I've been saying about pot: it alters your state, but in an inferior way.




It's this an advanced state of Mindfulness? If you're that far along, I congratulate you! I'm still at the beginning stages.

I wouldn't call it inferior, just different..

I started meditation when I was 12 years old....

Originally Posted by maniclion

what cop if I got pulled over would think my turkey with greenbean pasta dish is loaded with drugs?

Jesus. You know they monitor this board. Way to ruin things for turkey with greenbean pasta dish lovers, man.

What? What is all this nonsense about marginalizing iguanas!??! It's not fair! Why should those cute little lizards be treated as if...

Oh.

Never mind.

Weed is legal here in Colorado. I use to smoke way back in the day, but not really my thing anymore. It makes me hungry and tired. I've tried edibles, many forms, and to me, they all taste like shit.
I think it should be legal in all state. We are so far in debt, why not legalize it, tax it and make some $ for the states. Legal or not, people are going to do what they want, so why are the authorities wasting time and $ fighting such thing.