Thread: Who's afraid of death?

Originally Posted by maniclion

The dog trying to pull his friend from traffic is sad as fuck too...

No doubt...

These animal videos are killin me.... god I've seen humans die and not felt that sad.

Originally Posted by evanps

These animal videos are killin me.... god I've seen humans die and not felt that sad.

I had 3 of my dogs die in my arms....Missy, Kaipo and Rusty RIP....

Originally Posted by maniclion

I had 3 of my dogs die in my arms....Missy, Kaipo and Rusty RIP....

had a dog I got when I was 6, I remember I was home from school one day when I was prob 20 and dad woke me up to tell me he had to put him down because he was setting in the creek (had arthritis and I imagine the cold water helped the pain) and couldnt even get out.... He had to go to work and I was left to bury him... I watch and fight to keep ppl from dying on at least a monthly basis and none of it hits me as hard as burying my dog did lol. It was chilli and a lil mist of rain was comin down and I was just diggin and he was layin there in a big garbage bag. I had to really try not to open it, it was aweful...

Another awesome animal video:

Originally Posted by evanps

had a dog I got when I was 6, I remember I was home from school one day when I was prob 20 and dad woke me up to tell me he had to put him down because he was setting in the creek (had arthritis and I imagine the cold water helped the pain) and couldnt even get out.... He had to go to work and I was left to bury him... I watch and fight to keep ppl from dying on at least a monthly basis and none of it hits me as hard as burying my dog did lol. It was chilli and a lil mist of rain was comin down and I was just diggin and he was layin there in a big garbage bag. I had to really try not to open it, it was aweful...

Missy was hit by a truck when my gf's stupid ass mom left the gate open, I had just arrived home and saw her dashing down the road with the 3 other dogs then I heard tires screech, I sprinted after them faster than I imagined I could run and when I got there the other dogs were all sitting by her as she lay whining in the road. We rushed to the Animal Hospital just up the street, but as I barged through the door with her in my arms I was looking into her eyes as she struggled to breath, she looked so peaceful and then her last breath let out and she went limp. Then Kaipo got so old he couldn't stand on his back legs anymore, he just laid in one place, I'd have to lift him and clean the shit and piss from him so we decided to euthanize him, I held his head and held my face to him as the vet administered the drug, he licked my nose one last time and then went absolutely limp. Same with Rusty, old age but he died the night before we were to euthanize him, I sitting on the floor petting him with his head in my lap and he just finally surrendered, gave out a gasp and his bowels released, I closed his eyes after staring into them for a few minutes, still talked to him for a while because of what they say about hearing being the last to go. I felt the same when My girlfriends grandfather died, I had cared for him for 2 years, fed him, cleaned him, talked to him at 3am when he couldn't sleep.....

It's just how responsible you feel for someone else's life after caring for them that really gets to you when they die.....be it human or animal, and since we all are humans and know our independence we can understand we aren't responsible for another humans death, but when we see animals who we think we should have protected in some way we feel a little guilty and sad to see one die.....

who wants to live that old anyway.. i take quality over quantity anytime!

It is something we all try to run from, but will catch us eventually.
Pretty terrifying to be honest.

Originally Posted by maniclion

It's just how responsible you feel for someone else's life after caring for them that really gets to you when they die.....be it human or animal, and since we all are humans and know our independence we can understand we aren't responsible for another humans death, but when we see animals who we think we should have protected in some way we feel a little guilty and sad to see one die.....

Pretty good point man, never really thought of it that way really. Lol I think too we (or at least those of us who can think for ourselves) realize how sick and fucked up ppl are in general. Cute little dogs and cats and majestic elephants are just that, sucks a lot more to see them hurt/die.

The idea that animals are somehow better than humans is a fallacy.

Animals will abandon their young if resources get too scarce. They'll even eat their young. They'll kill the offspring belonging to another member of their species. They'll enslave other species. Most carnivores and omnivores eat their food while it's still alive or kill it violently. They'll wipe out another species if it will advance their own.

Just because a cat or elephant shows remorse over a lost member of their species, or dog pulls another injured dog off a freeway, doesn't make them better.

There have been plenty of people that have died for family and friends. People that show remorse for lost loved ones or even strangers. There are people that champion the preservation of other people who are suffering. There are those that specialize in taking care of those that can't stand up for themselves; the very young and very old. There are other people who have made it their life's work to protect animals.

The one thing that separates humans from other animals is that we are no longer kept in check by the give and take of the natural world. This is humanity's one great blessing and failing. If any other animal could seize upon that trait, they'd take it and run with it just as humans have.

In the end, were animals just like a cat or an elephant or a hippo. No better or worse.

Originally Posted by DOMS

The idea that animals are somehow better than humans is a fallacy.

Animals will abandon their young if resources get too scarce. They'll even eat their young. They'll kill the offspring belonging to another member of their species. They'll enslave other species. Most carnivores and omnivores eat their food while it's still alive or kill it violently. They'll wipe out another species if it will advance their own.

Just because a cat or elephant shows remorse over a lost member of their species, or dog pulls another injured dog off a freeway, doesn't make them better.

There have been plenty of people that have died for family and friends. People that show remorse for lost loved ones or even strangers. There are people that champion the preservation of other people who are suffering. There are those that specialize in taking care of those that can't stand up for themselves; the very young and very old. There are other people who have made it their life's work to protect animals.

The one thing that separates humans from other animals is that we are no longer kept in check by the give and take of the natural world. This is humanity's one great blessing and failing. If any other animal could seize upon that trait, they'd take it and run with it just as humans have.

In the end, were animals just like a cat or an elephant or a hippo. No better or worse.

By no means did I suggest that animals are better than humans. There is no good and evil in nature, there just "is." Good and evil are a purely manmade construct.
If anything we are all equal however we do have different levels of consciousness. I just believe animals views on death would be a lot more simple than ours and that we tend to over analyse everything which creates more room for error in regards to the things we can know nothing about.
Its a fasinating topic and although I'm not religious, I tend to change my point of views depending on who I'm talking to. When speaking to a religious fundamentalist I will be an atheist as I believe atheism is an acceptable reaction to combat religious fundamentalism.

I'm studying consciousness at the moment and its extremely difficult to define what it actually is. I'm open minded to the idea of consciousness being everywhere before life existed which would mean that our consciousness does infact leave our body after we die however, as usual I remain skeptical throughout my research and agnostic to everything.

Id like to see some real life "Flatliners" being tested under strict conditions to record these near death experiences. If it's true that people can have an outer body experience describing in detail their surroundings in such a way that can only be seen from high above their body, then that is evidence of consciousness leaving the body. These incidents are commonly recorded however so are U.F.O. sighting all over America. People like to make up stories for whatever reasons.

Originally Posted by BillHicksFan

I'm studying consciousness at the moment and its extremely difficult to define what it actually is. I'm open minded to the idea of consciousness being everywhere before life existed which would mean that our consciousness does infact leave our body after we die however, as usual I remain skeptical throughout my research and agnostic to everything.

I think consciousness, mind (not physical brain), and awarenessu are almost same thing. If you do breathing/ mindfulness meditation regularly, you will experience you are more (or other) than your body. Atleast that's how I feel, but I am still doing my homework on this.

If it's true that people can have an outer body experience describing in detail their surroundings in such a way that can only be seen from high above their body, then that is evidence of consciousness leaving the body.

What do you think dream is ?

People like to make up stories for whatever reasons.

Believe it or not almost (?) everything seems fabricated to make things convienent in this so called reality of life. For example: names of things and people and etc.

I think buddha was right when he said:
"In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true."

morbid here, my buddy told me he wanted to go out fast and painless , like his grandfather did by having a massive heart attack, not a slow and horrifying way, like the other 3 people that were in the car with him at the time

Originally Posted by chobby192

I think consciousness, mind (not physical brain), and awarenessu are almost same thing. If you do breathing/ mindfulness meditation regularly, you will experience you are more (or other) than your body. Atleast that's how I feel, but I am still doing my homework on this.


What do you think dream is ?


Believe it or not almost (?) everything seems fabricated to make things convienent in this so called reality of life. For example: names of things and people and etc.

I think buddha was right when he said:

"In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true."

Hmm.