Thread: Rise and Fall of Adolf Hitler

that's what's crazy about a lot of these leaders like Hitler, Mussolini, etc. they all had "the right stuff" but somehow their goals, methods, message, etc. were all 180 degrees out of phase.

and in 1840 the vast amounts of German immigrants in the northern us fought for the north with out hesitation, but 100 years later in the 1940's look what Hitler talked the same people into doing back in Germany?

Anthony Robbins doesn't have shit on Adolf Hitler....

and in 1840 the vast amounts of German immigrants in the northern us fought for the north with out hesitation, but 100 years later in the 1940's look what Hitler talked the same people into doing back in Germany?

This just means that the German people are easily herded like cattle. A charismatic tyrranical leader leader was able to herd them like sheep in the 1860s and again in the 1940s.

I got kicked out of history class for a week back in highschool when learning about hitler and stalin. I said that the two were arguably the best and most influential leaders that ever were. I still believe that til this day. Seems like most people can't look past the horrible things they've done and see the power and genius these guys had. I mean, jesus christ, I can't even convince people to let me borrow their pen most the time. If Hitler had taken different paths and goals in mind, and used his charisma in a positive light, there's no telling what the world would be like today. There will never be people like this again, ever. And i'm not talking about mass murderers trying to rule the world, i'm talking about people with character, and leadership abilities like hitler. But, the same could be said about a lot of people in the past.. I don't forsee any mlk jrs being born, or any history making individuals standing up for themselves in my lifetime. Those days are long gone, this is generation-bendoverandtakeitlikeaprisonbitch.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

This just means that the German people are easily herded like cattle. A charismatic tyrranical leader leader was able to herd them like sheep in the 1860s and again in the 1940s.

If only politicians these days displayed such passion and balls about them. Like him or not, it's impossible not to notice him. He was an awesome public speaker who's passion was extremely contagious. I can understand why he gained so much genuine support to begin with and I wouldn't class his supporters as sheep (in the mindless sense).
The German people were in need of change to get the country back on its feet and they had no idea of his true intentions to begin with. By the time they realised what evil was going on, they had no choice but to shut their mouths or suffer the same fate as the Jews.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

This just means that the German people are easily herded like cattle. A charismatic tyrranical leader leader was able to herd them like sheep in the 1860s and again in the 1940s.

or it goes to further show how charismatic leaders can sway the masses to believe things that defy logic and/or facts.

look at your idle Reagan, he sold union busting to america out of one side and was pro union in poland out of the other, that took both balls and a lot of charisma.

but the US is also not a smart country we rank on the bottom end of all OECD countries in terms of reading, scientific, mathematics literacy and problem solving. can't say any of that holds true in Germany their test scores in math and science have almost always been higher than those in the US.

Originally Posted by LAM

or it goes to further show how charismatic leaders can sway the masses to believe things that defy logic and/or facts.

look at your idle Reagan, he sold union busting to america out of one side and was pro union in poland out of the other, that took both balls and a lot of charisma.

but the US is also not a smart country we rank on the bottom end of all OECD countries in terms of reading, scientific, mathematics literacy and problem solving. can't say any of that holds true in Germany their test scores in math and science have almost always been higher than those in the US.

This is true. But, I don't see what Reagan has to do with our low ranking in math and science. That seems to be more of a systemic problem with our public education system. Perhaps if the teachers' unions were held in check, and the tenure system was abolished, this might not be the case. Which is more important, protecting underperforming teachers, or ensuring quality?

Why does your idle, Obama (the first, and possibly the only AA president, that you won't sit idly by and let us bash) support offshore drilling, and all of the economic prosperity that it will create in Brasil, yet he orders a moratorium on the same thing here in the US?

A word about Lincoln. He was 'almost' as tyrannical and homicidal as Hitler, in that his invasion of the southern states was unconstitutional. I'm not just saying this because I'm from Bama. But, just as the Soviet republics had the constitutional right to succeed from the union, union membership was voluntary by each state, according to the US constitution. Earlier in our history, the united states was referred to as "are" rather than "is".

Lincoln was also just as racist as Hitler. He only ordered the freeing of the slaves in order to acquire more troops and win the war.

So he knew how to use people, just the right lies and how to say what they wanted to hear. Plus he was an enabler of other vile creatures like Dr. Josef Mengele. He was able to convince people that what evils they were doing were the right thing. I don't see anything commendable about that.

Jeffery Dahlmer had false charisma too. What that tells me is they may have made great actors. And that just makes it worse to know they could turn on the charm in order to reach their evil goals.

Originally Posted by maniclion

So he knew how to use people, just the right lies and how to say what they wanted to hear. Plus he was an enabler of other vile creatures like Dr. Josef Mengele. He was able to convince people that what evils they were doing were the right thing. I don't see anything commendable about that.

Jeffery Dahlmer had false charisma too. What that tells me is they may have made great actors. And that just makes it worse to know they could turn on the charm in order to reach their evil goals.

Can you show prove of this? any footage/documents?

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

This is true. But, I don't see what Reagan has to do with our low ranking in math and science. That seems to be more of a systemic problem with our public education system. Perhaps if the teachers' unions were held in check, and the tenure system was abolished, this might not be the case. Which is more important, protecting underperforming teachers, or ensuring quality?

Why does your idle, Obama (the first, and possibly the only AA president, that you won't sit idly by and let us bash) support offshore drilling, and all of the economic prosperity that it will create in Brasil, yet he orders a moratorium on the same thing here in the US?

the fact that Reagan was able to sell "trickle-down" economics to a country pretty much verifies that the "economic IQ" of the US was pretty low at that time and the US education system has gotten increasing worst, then factor in the decline of healthy eating and lack of exercise. imagine selling that trickle down economics bullshit over in Japan in 1980...not a chance, they would cut your freaking head off right there in Beijing.

the problem in US schools has nothing at all to do with the teachers, tenure or unions. the employment cost index (ECI) of union workers is only 115 and non-union is 113, that myth was debunked decades ago all that data is on the BLS website.

US schools are failing because they rely heavily on standardized testing along with an antiquated school system overall. the materials, the subjects, the lack of vocational training, lack of real world economics in HS, health class, etc. that bull-shit ass USDA food pyramid is nothing but a scam to get rid of excess agriculture products. whatever there is an excess off, suddenly becomes the next best thing like "milk"...

standardized testing doesn't work in the US because of stagnant incomes in the middle-class and decling incomes in lower income quintiles. this along with the continued decline of the family (which really started after the Industrial Rev) but in the US has taken a beating since the 70's. there is tons of study on this topic in regards to the household income and scholastic achievement specifically in OECD countries, and wage inequality in the US is once again a major factor. this is also supported by data at USDA’s Economic Research Service which shows the same wage inequality between low skilled workers in metro and non-metro areas. The FRB has also written reports on the very same subjects, wage inequality and poverty in the metro and non-metro areas.

Originally Posted by HialeahChico305

Can you show prove of this? any footage/documents?

Really? Are you a Holocaust denier or something? You think they rounded up the jews and killed them because Hitler told them "let's be evil and kill das Jew" no just like you said he used his fake charisma and told the German people exactly what they wanted to hear "The Jews are the cause of our problems"

From Mein Kampf Chapter 11(which starts off talking about nature and how we don't notice the obvious around us then degrades into a droning tirade on how mixed breeds are impure and on the parasite that is the Jewish race): "The life which the Jew lives as a parasite thriving on the substance of
other nations and States has resulted in developing that specific
character which Schopenhauer once described when he spoke of the Jew as
'The Great Master of Lies'. The kind of existence which he leads forces
the Jew to the systematic use of falsehood, just as naturally as the
inhabitants of northern climates are forced to wear warm clothes.

He can live among other nations and States only as long as he succeeds
in persuading them that the Jews are not a distinct people but the
representatives of a religious faith who thus constitute a 'religious
community', though this be of a peculiar character."


But he didn't believe the Jews were actually a race it's was just what the people wanted to hear: Hitler made such ideas clear in a correspondence with Martin Bormann on February 3, 1945:

“We use the term Jewish race merely for reasons of linguistic convenience, for in the real sense of the word, and from a genetic point of view, there is no Jewish race. [...] The Jewish race is above all a community of the spirit. Spiritual race is of a more solid and more durable kind than natural race.”

There is next to no evidence, other than propaganda put out by the Israelis for the last 65 years, that there were any "death camps" in Germany during WWII. The German govt did persuade jews to immigrate, which millions many did. Although anyone who admits it is quickly labeled as a fascist, the fact is, there is no hard evidence of a holocaust ever taking place.

Originally Posted by maniclion

Really? Are you a Holocaust denier or something? You think they rounded up the jews and killed them because Hitler told them "let's be evil and kill das Jew" no just like you said he used his fake charisma and told the German people exactly what they wanted to hear "The Jews are the cause of our problems"

From Mein Kampf Chapter 11(which starts off talking about nature and how we don't notice the obvious around us then degrades into a droning tirade on how mixed breeds are impure and on the parasite that is the Jewish race): "The life which the Jew lives as a parasite thriving on the substance of
other nations and States has resulted in developing that specific
character which Schopenhauer once described when he spoke of the Jew as
'The Great Master of Lies'. The kind of existence which he leads forces
the Jew to the systematic use of falsehood, just as naturally as the
inhabitants of northern climates are forced to wear warm clothes.

He can live among other nations and States only as long as he succeeds
in persuading them that the Jews are not a distinct people but the
representatives of a religious faith who thus constitute a 'religious
community', though this be of a peculiar character."


But he didn't believe the Jews were actually a race it's was just what the people wanted to hear: Hitler made such ideas clear in a correspondence with Martin Bormann on February 3, 1945:

“We use the term Jewish race merely for reasons of linguistic convenience, for in the real sense of the word, and from a genetic point of view, there is no Jewish race. [...] The Jewish race is above all a community of the spirit. Spiritual race is of a more solid and more durable kind than natural race.”

Originally Posted by maniclion

Really? Are you a Holocaust denier or something? You think they rounded up the jews and killed them because Hitler told them "let's be evil and kill das Jew" no just like you said he used his fake charisma and told the German people exactly what they wanted to hear "The Jews are the cause of our problems"

From Mein Kampf Chapter 11(which starts off talking about nature and how we don't notice the obvious around us then degrades into a droning tirade on how mixed breeds are impure and on the parasite that is the Jewish race): "The life which the Jew lives as a parasite thriving on the substance of
other nations and States has resulted in developing that specific
character which Schopenhauer once described when he spoke of the Jew as
'The Great Master of Lies'. The kind of existence which he leads forces
the Jew to the systematic use of falsehood, just as naturally as the
inhabitants of northern climates are forced to wear warm clothes.

He can live among other nations and States only as long as he succeeds
in persuading them that the Jews are not a distinct people but the
representatives of a religious faith who thus constitute a 'religious
community', though this be of a peculiar character."


But he didn't believe the Jews were actually a race it's was just what the people wanted to hear: Hitler made such ideas clear in a correspondence with Martin Bormann on February 3, 1945:

“We use the term Jewish race merely for reasons of linguistic convenience, for in the real sense of the word, and from a genetic point of view, there is no Jewish race. [...] The Jewish race is above all a community of the spirit. Spiritual race is of a more solid and more durable kind than natural race.”

Not at all, I just want your opinion and source of information in regards to the event. Thats why I started this thread so I would appreciate any videos/documents/stories relating ww2/Holocaust/hitler etc.

Originally Posted by LAM

the fact that Reagan was able to sell "trickle-down" economics to a country pretty much verifies that the "economic IQ" of the US was pretty low at that time

Don't you consider the $700B bailout to the banks trickle down economics? The whole purpose was to make money available to consumers to spend by buying houses. But the banks didn't let go of the money like the government wanted. So it didn't work.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

There is next to no evidence, other than propaganda put out by the Israelis for the last 65 years, that there were any "death camps" in Germany during WWII. The German govt did persuade jews to immigrate, which millions many did. Although anyone who admits it is quickly labeled as a fascist, the fact is, there is no hard evidence of a holocaust ever taking place.

I knew two people personally who were in "concentration camps". they both had the 5 or 6 digit(i dont remember) tattoos. it was weird to see them on 80 somethin year olds. they were never tortured other than starvation. watching the other people die fucked them up.

i watched a documentary on Mengele. I think his medical team stole some of their ideas from the state of Virginia or something. i netflix'd it a long time ago. sadly, none of his experiments made any advancements toward the scientific community.

Originally Posted by manic my friend

I knew two people personally who were in "concentration camps". they both had the 5 or 6 digit(i dont remember) tattoos. it was weird to see them on 80 somethin year olds. they were never tortured other than starvation. watching the other people die fucked them up.

i watched a documentary on Mengele. I think his medical team stole some of their ideas from the state of Virginia or something. i netflix'd it a long time ago. sadly, none of his experiments made any advancements toward the scientific community.

Plenty of people were involved in setting up the whole "holocaust" show. They were most likely in a labor camp. They may or may not have been jews. The whole holocaust myth was just designed to demonize Hitler.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

There is next to no evidence, other than propaganda put out by the Israelis for the last 65 years, that there were any "death camps" in Germany during WWII. The German govt did persuade jews to immigrate, which millions many did. Although anyone who admits it is quickly labeled as a fascist, the fact is, there is no hard evidence of a holocaust ever taking place.

Hard to believe that there are still Holocaust deniers out there.

Hitler was just trying to rebuild the Roman Empire. He would have been at war with Mossollini eventually. The US and UK were on the wrong side of history. Hitler simply tried to expel all jews from Germany. The holocaust never happened. That was a lie spread by Israel in order to justify the existence of a jewish state in the ME. Hitler wasn't the evil dictator that everyone makes him out to be. If we had worked with Hitler, rather than working with our enemies, the cold war would never have happened and we probably never would have dropped a nuke on Japan.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Plenty of people were involved in setting up the whole "holocaust" show. They were most likely in a labor camp. They may or may not have been jews. The whole holocaust myth was just designed to demonize Hitler.

So you are claiming that besides the fact that the gas chambers and crematoriums, along with the hundreds of thousands corpses found were not proof enough, but you are also calling our own soldiers, who liberated and can testify to the horrors, liars.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Hitler was just trying to rebuild the Roman Empire. He would have been at war with Mossollini eventually. The US and UK were on the wrong side of history. Hitler simply tried to expel all jews from Germany. The holocaust never happened. That was a lie spread by Israel in order to justify the existence of a jewish state in the ME. Hitler wasn't the evil dictator that everyone makes him out to be. If we had worked with Hitler, rather than working with our enemies, the cold war would never have happened and we probably never would have dropped a nuke on Japan.

If Hitler was simply trying to expel all jews from Germany then why did he begin with the military occupation of Poland? And if they were simply labor camps why did the Einsatzgruppen perform mass executions before building the camps? If their goal really was to rebuild, why kill so many able bodied workers right from the start? The Einsatzgruppen were performing mass shootings in burial pits, which required a vast amount of ammo and took a psychological toll on the executioners. Read about the Wannsee Conference. It says part of the Final Solution was the deportation of European and North African Jews INTO German occupied territories. Why would they do this if their goal was expulsion? The Wannsee Protocol also specifically states that able bodied Jews were to be used for road and railroad building projects, making it easier to move troops and supplies to the front line, and any survivors were to be executed once the projects were complete. But when the Allied and Soviet armies began to push the German lines back the Jews were either sent directly to extermination camps or killed on the spot.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Hitler was just trying to rebuild the Roman Empire. He would have been at war with Mossollini eventually. The US and UK were on the wrong side of history. Hitler simply tried to expel all jews from Germany. The holocaust never happened. That was a lie spread by Israel in order to justify the existence of a jewish state in the ME. Hitler wasn't the evil dictator that everyone makes him out to be. If we had worked with Hitler, rather than working with our enemies, the cold war would never have happened and we probably never would have dropped a nuke on Japan.

this explains everything about you and your distorted views of capitalism and the causes/solutions, etc. you are a true ideologue, you only see what you want to, reality and history mean nothing to people like you. and to think you have a right to procreate...

I hope more pychos like Hitler fall hard.

Makes me wonder how many 9/11 deniers there will be 50+ years from now? We all saw that, many of us know people who witnessed it first hand. Yet there will be some fools claiming it was a filming of an organized demolition and the US in realtime used holograms to make it appear jets were flying into the buildings....

Its a fact that the twin towers got hit by a actual plane, but in reality there is tons of people from this era that believe it was indeed a demolition. You don't have to wait 50 years for that, people doubt fuel from a plane will take 2 towers down. In addition from the hundreds of witnesses saying there was some type of explosions prior to the towers coming down.

Ha. I guess I shouldn't let it go on any longer. Cum on folks, lighten up! I'm actually not a holocaust denier. I just wanted to add some drama to the thread and see what kind of reaction would be stirred up. All right. I reckon it wasn't funny and I have a badly distorted view of capitalism. Although, IDK what genocide has to do with economics.

Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf

Ha. I guess I shouldn't let it go on any longer. Cum on folks, lighten up! I'm actually not a holocaust denier. I just wanted to add some drama to the thread and see what kind of reaction would be stirred up. All right. I reckon it wasn't funny and I have a badly distorted view of capitalism. Although, IDK what genocide has to do with economics.

I knew you were playing devils advocate, I just wanted to see how long you'd carry it out....I do the same thing sometimes out of boredom....

Boredom. I could write a book on that subject now. But, it'd bore you to tears.